Teacher shot at Newport News elementary school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the archived page of a NYT magazine article from a decade ago, about sociopathy in the very young. It’s terrifying and it’s real.

https://archive.ph/4OuwU

Here is another one from The Atlantic. I read it when it was published and it stuck out to me at the time. Over my years in special education I’ve met 2-3 kids who I think met this profile.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

The programs discussed in these two articles seem amazing. Back in the 1980s I worked in a program for hardcore juvenile delinquents and so many were untouchable. It was a last chance program. Until that point I would never have believed that a kid could be evil and unsavable. So much more to learn here and so much more need for these type of interventions. I bet it’s hard to staff these programs. I only lasted 15 or so months.

I cannot imagine what this family is going through. The IEP is so out there - could they not staff properly or was this child’s behavior so out of control that only the parents could manage it. It must be hard to find adequate resources for a child so young.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the archived page of a NYT magazine article from a decade ago, about sociopathy in the very young. It’s terrifying and it’s real.

https://archive.ph/4OuwU

Here is another one from The Atlantic. I read it when it was published and it stuck out to me at the time. Over my years in special education I’ve met 2-3 kids who I think met this profile.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

The programs discussed in these two articles seem amazing. Back in the 1980s I worked in a program for hardcore juvenile delinquents and so many were untouchable. It was a last chance program. Until that point I would never have believed that a kid could be evil and unsavable. So much more to learn here and so much more need for these type of interventions. I bet it’s hard to staff these programs. I only lasted 15 or so months.

I cannot imagine what this family is going through. The IEP is so out there - could they not staff properly or was this child’s behavior so out of control that only the parents could manage it. It must be hard to find adequate resources for a child so young.

Do mwe know what his IEP required--or even if he had one.

As for the family--why was the gun obtainable?

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Anonymous wrote:The school had no doors and there were no lock down drills. And he was only there for a half a day.

Wow.

I know that people are all like: parents should have a voice in their kids education. But it really sounds like the teachers should have a stronger voice. And I know that my IEP friends are going to be enraged about this: but if your kid is violent he really can’t be protected by an IEP anymore.

If your child was an adult, he would be tried for assault. If you think that your child’s aggressive behavior should be excused- you’re part of the problem.

And for goodness sake: teachers can’t hit a child back. They are not allowed because they can be sued for hitting a kid. Which is at this point a result of the parents being awful.

If your kid is strangling teachers or other kids: they should be suspended for a week and expelled with a second offense. I’m sorry: but if you can’t raise your kids to not be violent, then it isn’t the school systems responsibility to fix your kid. It’s yours.

The bolded is a reminder that most people have no idea what an IEP is. Including you, PP. It's not a pass on behavior. Nothing in an IEP indicates that a child is allowed to harm other kids. And the majority of violent, disruptive bullies aren't on IEPs. The problem has never been children on IEPs, as much as you don't like them. It's money. There are simply not enough resources available to give each child the education and support they need and everyone suffers. The federal government isn't funding its share of special education. There aren't enough teachers, and can you blame them? There isn't enough training or support. And for the children with the greatest needs, there aren't enough spaces in specialized schools. You get what you pay for in public education.

I call bs.

The kid has an acute disability and was allowed half day classes with a parent shadowing the entire time. That is most definitely a sign of an IEP.

And your experience might be different but based on my teacher friends, it’s not. It’s getting worse and parents aren’t teaching their kids how to behave or medicating their kids so that their brains normalize.

And no- not every IEP allows for violent behavior. The IEPs allows for “bandaids” to deal with the aggressive behavior vs actually medication or therapy.

And this kid: had a lot of bandaids before he shot a teacher.

Absolutely not. If anything , the allowances for this child show he did NOT and could not have had an IEP. Nothing about this setup was legal per an IEP which is a LEGAL document. Acute disability is not a category under IDEA. You do not get an IEP for “acute disability,” that is a made up lawyer and family term. Secondly, it is not legal per an IEP for parents to serve as a 1:1 aide as they are not sped certified. There was no IEP. There was a deal between the family and admin to keep him mainstream at risk to all.

The kid had an actual IEP, per the family's lawyer. He is quoted at the end of the article. https://apnews.com/article/education-virginia-newport-news-children-33ed30539f279405f696ad10d4ff46a1

I still can’t tell if the lawyer is full of it because the level of noncompliance with an IEP and IDEA that this situation encompasses *if* there was an IEP would require the go along of so many people that it’s impossible for me to see it being likely. We are talking district sped coordinators, school psychologists, school diagnosticians, case managers, sped assistants and Gen Ed teachers an admin all going along with being out of compliance. It stretches the limits of credulity for me as an educator, as does his claim the child had “physical, mental, emotional disability” (he says “ all of it” ) yet that child is a) in a mainstream environment and b) placement was never changed and c) he also claims the kid had an IEP for “acute disability” which isn’t a category of IDEA. None of it adds up and it’s clear the family and lawyer are playing weasel CYA games with their statements.

*laughs in public schools.* You're hilarious. I have an easier time believing this kid had a batshit insane IEP labeling his aggression as a symptom of his disorder than I do believing any other part of this story. Hell, I can think of two different disabilities that protect violence as symptoms of disabilities off the top of my head. And if it is a symptom of a disability, that means any time it manifests, to address it, you must call a meeting of the IEP, come up with a (positive!) behavior modification plan, and then it's four weeks of collecting data! Then another meeting to reassess, modify the plan, four more weeks of data collection-- at no point do they really ever discuss removing children from mainstream classes. But that's fair-- a kid without an IEP would just get consequences. We gotta treat the special kids special, even when they are violent and destructive! After all, they are the only one's entitled to FAPE. Screw those neurotypical kids.

You can thank the DOE Office of Civil Rights and its many attorneys for much of what happens in our public schools. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them post here.

What the heck are you talking about? You can thank the school for not assigning a 1:1 aide or not placing this kid in the right school, class, Plus for not investigating a report of a gun (!!!!!). And you can thank the parents for not securing their gun.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The school had no doors and there were no lock down drills. And he was only there for a half a day.

Wow.

I know that people are all like: parents should have a voice in their kids education. But it really sounds like the teachers should have a stronger voice. And I know that my IEP friends are going to be enraged about this: but if your kid is violent he really can’t be protected by an IEP anymore.

If your child was an adult, he would be tried for assault. If you think that your child’s aggressive behavior should be excused- you’re part of the problem.

And for goodness sake: teachers can’t hit a child back. They are not allowed because they can be sued for hitting a kid. Which is at this point a result of the parents being awful.

If your kid is strangling teachers or other kids: they should be suspended for a week and expelled with a second offense. I’m sorry: but if you can’t raise your kids to not be violent, then it isn’t the school systems responsibility to fix your kid. It’s yours.

The bolded is a reminder that most people have no idea what an IEP is. Including you, PP. It's not a pass on behavior. Nothing in an IEP indicates that a child is allowed to harm other kids. And the majority of violent, disruptive bullies aren't on IEPs. The problem has never been children on IEPs, as much as you don't like them. It's money. There are simply not enough resources available to give each child the education and support they need and everyone suffers. The federal government isn't funding its share of special education. There aren't enough teachers, and can you blame them? There isn't enough training or support. And for the children with the greatest needs, there aren't enough spaces in specialized schools. You get what you pay for in public education.

I call bs.

The kid has an acute disability and was allowed half day classes with a parent shadowing the entire time. That is most definitely a sign of an IEP.

And your experience might be different but based on my teacher friends, it’s not. It’s getting worse and parents aren’t teaching their kids how to behave or medicating their kids so that their brains normalize.

And no- not every IEP allows for violent behavior. The IEPs allows for “bandaids” to deal with the aggressive behavior vs actually medication or therapy.

And this kid: had a lot of bandaids before he shot a teacher.

Absolutely not. If anything , the allowances for this child show he did NOT and could not have had an IEP. Nothing about this setup was legal per an IEP which is a LEGAL document. Acute disability is not a category under IDEA. You do not get an IEP for “acute disability,” that is a made up lawyer and family term. Secondly, it is not legal per an IEP for parents to serve as a 1:1 aide as they are not sped certified. There was no IEP. There was a deal between the family and admin to keep him mainstream at risk to all.

The kid had an actual IEP, per the family's lawyer. He is quoted at the end of the article. https://apnews.com/article/education-virginia-newport-news-children-33ed30539f279405f696ad10d4ff46a1

I still can’t tell if the lawyer is full of it because the level of noncompliance with an IEP and IDEA that this situation encompasses *if* there was an IEP would require the go along of so many people that it’s impossible for me to see it being likely. We are talking district sped coordinators, school psychologists, school diagnosticians, case managers, sped assistants and Gen Ed teachers an admin all going along with being out of compliance. It stretches the limits of credulity for me as an educator, as does his claim the child had “physical, mental, emotional disability” (he says “ all of it” ) yet that child is a) in a mainstream environment and b) placement was never changed and c) he also claims the kid had an IEP for “acute disability” which isn’t a category of IDEA. None of it adds up and it’s clear the family and lawyer are playing weasel CYA games with their statements.

*laughs in public schools.* You're hilarious. I have an easier time believing this kid had a batshit insane IEP labeling his aggression as a symptom of his disorder than I do believing any other part of this story. Hell, I can think of two different disabilities that protect violence as symptoms of disabilities off the top of my head. And if it is a symptom of a disability, that means any time it manifests, to address it, you must call a meeting of the IEP, come up with a (positive!) behavior modification plan, and then it's four weeks of collecting data! Then another meeting to reassess, modify the plan, four more weeks of data collection-- at no point do they really ever discuss removing children from mainstream classes. But that's fair-- a kid without an IEP would just get consequences. We gotta treat the special kids special, even when they are violent and destructive! After all, they are the only one's entitled to FAPE. Screw those neurotypical kids.

That should be the DOE civil rights division's motto

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school had no doors and there were no lock down drills. And he was only there for a half a day.

Wow.

I know that people are all like: parents should have a voice in their kids education. But it really sounds like the teachers should have a stronger voice. And I know that my IEP friends are going to be enraged about this: but if your kid is violent he really can’t be protected by an IEP anymore.

If your child was an adult, he would be tried for assault. If you think that your child’s aggressive behavior should be excused- you’re part of the problem.

And for goodness sake: teachers can’t hit a child back. They are not allowed because they can be sued for hitting a kid. Which is at this point a result of the parents being awful.

If your kid is strangling teachers or other kids: they should be suspended for a week and expelled with a second offense. I’m sorry: but if you can’t raise your kids to not be violent, then it isn’t the school systems responsibility to fix your kid. It’s yours.

The bolded is a reminder that most people have no idea what an IEP is. Including you, PP. It's not a pass on behavior. Nothing in an IEP indicates that a child is allowed to harm other kids. And the majority of violent, disruptive bullies aren't on IEPs. The problem has never been children on IEPs, as much as you don't like them. It's money. There are simply not enough resources available to give each child the education and support they need and everyone suffers. The federal government isn't funding its share of special education. There aren't enough teachers, and can you blame them? There isn't enough training or support. And for the children with the greatest needs, there aren't enough spaces in specialized schools. You get what you pay for in public education.

I call bs.

The kid has an acute disability and was allowed half day classes with a parent shadowing the entire time. That is most definitely a sign of an IEP.

And your experience might be different but based on my teacher friends, it’s not. It’s getting worse and parents aren’t teaching their kids how to behave or medicating their kids so that their brains normalize.

And no- not every IEP allows for violent behavior. The IEPs allows for “bandaids” to deal with the aggressive behavior vs actually medication or therapy.

And this kid: had a lot of bandaids before he shot a teacher.

Absolutely not. If anything , the allowances for this child show he did NOT and could not have had an IEP. Nothing about this setup was legal per an IEP which is a LEGAL document. Acute disability is not a category under IDEA. You do not get an IEP for “acute disability,” that is a made up lawyer and family term. Secondly, it is not legal per an IEP for parents to serve as a 1:1 aide as they are not sped certified. There was no IEP. There was a deal between the family and admin to keep him mainstream at risk to all.

The kid had an actual IEP, per the family's lawyer. He is quoted at the end of the article. https://apnews.com/article/education-virginia-newport-news-children-33ed30539f279405f696ad10d4ff46a1

I still can’t tell if the lawyer is full of it because the level of noncompliance with an IEP and IDEA that this situation encompasses *if* there was an IEP would require the go along of so many people that it’s impossible for me to see it being likely. We are talking district sped coordinators, school psychologists, school diagnosticians, case managers, sped assistants and Gen Ed teachers an admin all going along with being out of compliance. It stretches the limits of credulity for me as an educator, as does his claim the child had “physical, mental, emotional disability” (he says “ all of it” ) yet that child is a) in a mainstream environment and b) placement was never changed and c) he also claims the kid had an IEP for “acute disability” which isn’t a category of IDEA. None of it adds up and it’s clear the family and lawyer are playing weasel CYA games with their statements.

*laughs in public schools.* You're hilarious. I have an easier time believing this kid had a batshit insane IEP labeling his aggression as a symptom of his disorder than I do believing any other part of this story. Hell, I can think of two different disabilities that protect violence as symptoms of disabilities off the top of my head. And if it is a symptom of a disability, that means any time it manifests, to address it, you must call a meeting of the IEP, come up with a (positive!) behavior modification plan, and then it's four weeks of collecting data! Then another meeting to reassess, modify the plan, four more weeks of data collection-- at no point do they really ever discuss removing children from mainstream classes. But that's fair-- a kid without an IEP would just get consequences. We gotta treat the special kids special, even when they are violent and destructive! After all, they are the only one's entitled to FAPE. Screw those neurotypical kids.

You can thank the DOE Office of Civil Rights and its many attorneys for much of what happens in our public schools. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them post here.

What the heck are you talking about? You can thank the school for not assigning a 1:1 aide or not placing this kid in the right school, class, Plus for not investigating a report of a gun (!!!!!). And you can thank the parents for not securing their gun.

The IEP specified parent. To me that means he needed to be physically retrained and an aid isn't about to manhandle a kid

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school had no doors and there were no lock down drills. And he was only there for a half a day.

Wow.

I know that people are all like: parents should have a voice in their kids education. But it really sounds like the teachers should have a stronger voice. And I know that my IEP friends are going to be enraged about this: but if your kid is violent he really can’t be protected by an IEP anymore.

If your child was an adult, he would be tried for assault. If you think that your child’s aggressive behavior should be excused- you’re part of the problem.

And for goodness sake: teachers can’t hit a child back. They are not allowed because they can be sued for hitting a kid. Which is at this point a result of the parents being awful.

If your kid is strangling teachers or other kids: they should be suspended for a week and expelled with a second offense. I’m sorry: but if you can’t raise your kids to not be violent, then it isn’t the school systems responsibility to fix your kid. It’s yours.

The bolded is a reminder that most people have no idea what an IEP is. Including you, PP. It's not a pass on behavior. Nothing in an IEP indicates that a child is allowed to harm other kids. And the majority of violent, disruptive bullies aren't on IEPs. The problem has never been children on IEPs, as much as you don't like them. It's money. There are simply not enough resources available to give each child the education and support they need and everyone suffers. The federal government isn't funding its share of special education. There aren't enough teachers, and can you blame them? There isn't enough training or support. And for the children with the greatest needs, there aren't enough spaces in specialized schools. You get what you pay for in public education.

I call bs.

The kid has an acute disability and was allowed half day classes with a parent shadowing the entire time. That is most definitely a sign of an IEP.

And your experience might be different but based on my teacher friends, it’s not. It’s getting worse and parents aren’t teaching their kids how to behave or medicating their kids so that their brains normalize.

And no- not every IEP allows for violent behavior. The IEPs allows for “bandaids” to deal with the aggressive behavior vs actually medication or therapy.

And this kid: had a lot of bandaids before he shot a teacher.

Absolutely not. If anything , the allowances for this child show he did NOT and could not have had an IEP. Nothing about this setup was legal per an IEP which is a LEGAL document. Acute disability is not a category under IDEA. You do not get an IEP for “acute disability,” that is a made up lawyer and family term. Secondly, it is not legal per an IEP for parents to serve as a 1:1 aide as they are not sped certified. There was no IEP. There was a deal between the family and admin to keep him mainstream at risk to all.

The kid had an actual IEP, per the family's lawyer. He is quoted at the end of the article. https://apnews.com/article/education-virginia-newport-news-children-33ed30539f279405f696ad10d4ff46a1

I still can’t tell if the lawyer is full of it because the level of noncompliance with an IEP and IDEA that this situation encompasses *if* there was an IEP would require the go along of so many people that it’s impossible for me to see it being likely. We are talking district sped coordinators, school psychologists, school diagnosticians, case managers, sped assistants and Gen Ed teachers an admin all going along with being out of compliance. It stretches the limits of credulity for me as an educator, as does his claim the child had “physical, mental, emotional disability” (he says “ all of it” ) yet that child is a) in a mainstream environment and b) placement was never changed and c) he also claims the kid had an IEP for “acute disability” which isn’t a category of IDEA. None of it adds up and it’s clear the family and lawyer are playing weasel CYA games with their statements.

*laughs in public schools.* You're hilarious. I have an easier time believing this kid had a batshit insane IEP labeling his aggression as a symptom of his disorder than I do believing any other part of this story. Hell, I can think of two different disabilities that protect violence as symptoms of disabilities off the top of my head. And if it is a symptom of a disability, that means any time it manifests, to address it, you must call a meeting of the IEP, come up with a (positive!) behavior modification plan, and then it's four weeks of collecting data! Then another meeting to reassess, modify the plan, four more weeks of data collection-- at no point do they really ever discuss removing children from mainstream classes. But that's fair-- a kid without an IEP would just get consequences. We gotta treat the special kids special, even when they are violent and destructive! After all, they are the only one's entitled to FAPE. Screw those neurotypical kids.

You can thank the DOE Office of Civil Rights and its many attorneys for much of what happens in our public schools. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them post here.

What the heck are you talking about? You can thank the school for not assigning a 1:1 aide or not placing this kid in the right school, class, Plus for not investigating a report of a gun (!!!!!). And you can thank the parents for not securing their gun.

PP here. I do know what I'm talking about as regards FAPE, OCR, federal laws, and certain kids but won't get into an argument here. I will certainly agree that the school administrators are at fault for not thoroughly investigating reports of a gun and that the parents were highly negligent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the archived page of a NYT magazine article from a decade ago, about sociopathy in the very young. It’s terrifying and it’s real.

https://archive.ph/4OuwU

Here is another one from The Atlantic. I read it when it was published and it stuck out to me at the time. Over my years in special education I’ve met 2-3 kids who I think met this profile.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

The programs discussed in these two articles seem amazing. Back in the 1980s I worked in a program for hardcore juvenile delinquents and so many were untouchable. It was a last chance program. Until that point I would never have believed that a kid could be evil and unsavable. So much more to learn here and so much more need for these type of interventions. I bet it’s hard to staff these programs. I only lasted 15 or so months.

I cannot imagine what this family is going through. The IEP is so out there - could they not staff properly or was this child’s behavior so out of control that only the parents could manage it. It must be hard to find adequate resources for a child so young.

I want to echo that the linked article https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/ is very worthwhile to read - thank you to who posted it. The programs mentioned in the article - yes, their work is amazing and so important, likely they've saved countless lives. It seems we need more of these programs, as well as more awareness about their existence. We definitely need administrators of school systems to be educated and to take signs and transgressions seriously.

All the more clear that the child in Newport News should never have been allowed to remain in the general classroom.

[Anonymous]

The father of the suspected Highland Park shooter has just been charged with helping his son get access to weapons:

“Parents who help their kids get weapons of war are morally and legally responsible when those kids hurt others with those weapons,” Lake County State’s Attorney Eric Reinhart said yesterday when the indictment was filed. “We presented our evidence to a grand jury, and they agreed the case should move forward. We will continue to seek justice for the victims and prosecute those who endanger the community.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/16/highland-park-shooter-father-indicted/

There were similar charges in Michigan in 2021.

The parents of the Newport News shooter should be charged as well.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous]The father of the suspected Highland Park shooter has just been charged with helping his son get access to weapons:

“Parents who help their kids get weapons of war are morally and legally responsible when those kids hurt others with those weapons,” Lake County State’s Attorney Eric Reinhart said yesterday when the indictment was filed. “We presented our evidence to a grand jury, and they agreed the case should move forward. We will continue to seek justice for the victims and prosecute those who endanger the community.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/16/highland-park-shooter-father-indicted/

There were similar charges in Michigan in 2021.

The parents of the Newport News shooter should be charged as well.[/quote]

Paywall. But you can’t possibly think that the facts are remotely the same. Parents who buy their kids guns are not equivalent to parents who lock up a gun and put it out of reach.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The father of the suspected Highland Park shooter has just been charged with helping his son get access to weapons:

“Parents who help their kids get weapons of war are morally and legally responsible when those kids hurt others with those weapons,” Lake County State’s Attorney Eric Reinhart said yesterday when the indictment was filed. “We presented our evidence to a grand jury, and they agreed the case should move forward. We will continue to seek justice for the victims and prosecute those who endanger the community.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/16/highland-park-shooter-father-indicted/

There were similar charges in Michigan in 2021.

The parents of the Newport News shooter should be charged as well.[/quote]

Paywall. But you can’t possibly think that the facts are remotely the same. Parents who buy their kids guns are not equivalent to parents who lock up a gun and put it out of reach. [/quote]

There are only two logical answers to your statement:
-the gun wasn't really locked up and out of reach since the kid got a hold of it, or
-people who think their guns are locked up and out of reach of even a 6-year-old are clearly deluding themselves

so yes, I think the facts are substantially the same.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The father of the suspected Highland Park shooter has just been charged with helping his son get access to weapons:

“Parents who help their kids get weapons of war are morally and legally responsible when those kids hurt others with those weapons,” Lake County State’s Attorney Eric Reinhart said yesterday when the indictment was filed. “We presented our evidence to a grand jury, and they agreed the case should move forward. We will continue to seek justice for the victims and prosecute those who endanger the community.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/16/highland-park-shooter-father-indicted/

There were similar charges in Michigan in 2021.

The parents of the Newport News shooter should be charged as well.[/quote]

Paywall. But you can’t possibly think that the facts are remotely the same. Parents who buy their kids guns are not equivalent to parents who lock up a gun and put it out of reach. [/quote]

There are only two logical answers to your statement:
-the gun wasn't really locked up and out of reach since the kid got a hold of it, or
-people who think their guns are locked up and out of reach of even a 6-year-old are clearly deluding themselves

so yes, I think the facts are substantially the same.[/quote]

Difference is possible negligence versus actively putting a gun in your disturbed child’s hands.

[Anonymous]

Not far away today:

NORFOLK, Va. (WAVY) – Police are investigating after a student was found in possession of a gun Thursday at Little Creek Elementary School.

According to police, officers responded to a report of a student having a weapon at school around 3:30 p.m. Thursday.

NPS says a teacher alerted the administration immediately who then enacted safety and security protocol. The gun was then turned over to Norfolk police by school staff.

No one was hurt and students went home safely. The investigation is ongoing.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/police-student-found-with-weapon-at-little-creek-elementary-school/amp/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not far away today:

NORFOLK, Va. (WAVY) – Police are investigating after a student was found in possession of a gun Thursday at Little Creek Elementary School.

According to police, officers responded to a report of a student having a weapon at school around 3:30 p.m. Thursday.

NPS says a teacher alerted the administration immediately who then enacted safety and security protocol. The gun was then turned over to Norfolk police by school staff.

No one was hurt and students went home safely. The investigation is ongoing.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/police-student-found-with-weapon-at-little-creek-elementary-school/amp/

Another news report says the gun was loaded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not far away today:

NORFOLK, Va. (WAVY) – Police are investigating after a student was found in possession of a gun Thursday at Little Creek Elementary School.

According to police, officers responded to a report of a student having a weapon at school around 3:30 p.m. Thursday.

NPS says a teacher alerted the administration immediately who then enacted safety and security protocol. The gun was then turned over to Norfolk police by school staff.

No one was hurt and students went home safely. The investigation is ongoing.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/police-student-found-with-weapon-at-little-creek-elementary-school/amp/

Another news report says the gun was loaded.

These parents need to be charged and rot away in jail for many, many years!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school had no doors and there were no lock down drills. And he was only there for a half a day.

Wow.

I know that people are all like: parents should have a voice in their kids education. But it really sounds like the teachers should have a stronger voice. And I know that my IEP friends are going to be enraged about this: but if your kid is violent he really can’t be protected by an IEP anymore.

If your child was an adult, he would be tried for assault. If you think that your child’s aggressive behavior should be excused- you’re part of the problem.

And for goodness sake: teachers can’t hit a child back. They are not allowed because they can be sued for hitting a kid. Which is at this point a result of the parents being awful.

If your kid is strangling teachers or other kids: they should be suspended for a week and expelled with a second offense. I’m sorry: but if you can’t raise your kids to not be violent, then it isn’t the school systems responsibility to fix your kid. It’s yours.

The bolded is a reminder that most people have no idea what an IEP is. Including you, PP. It's not a pass on behavior. Nothing in an IEP indicates that a child is allowed to harm other kids. And the majority of violent, disruptive bullies aren't on IEPs. The problem has never been children on IEPs, as much as you don't like them. It's money. There are simply not enough resources available to give each child the education and support they need and everyone suffers. The federal government isn't funding its share of special education. There aren't enough teachers, and can you blame them? There isn't enough training or support. And for the children with the greatest needs, there aren't enough spaces in specialized schools. You get what you pay for in public education.

I call bs.

The kid has an acute disability and was allowed half day classes with a parent shadowing the entire time. That is most definitely a sign of an IEP.

And your experience might be different but based on my teacher friends, it’s not. It’s getting worse and parents aren’t teaching their kids how to behave or medicating their kids so that their brains normalize.

And no- not every IEP allows for violent behavior. The IEPs allows for “bandaids” to deal with the aggressive behavior vs actually medication or therapy.

And this kid: had a lot of bandaids before he shot a teacher.

Absolutely not. If anything , the allowances for this child show he did NOT and could not have had an IEP. Nothing about this setup was legal per an IEP which is a LEGAL document. Acute disability is not a category under IDEA. You do not get an IEP for “acute disability,” that is a made up lawyer and family term. Secondly, it is not legal per an IEP for parents to serve as a 1:1 aide as they are not sped certified. There was no IEP. There was a deal between the family and admin to keep him mainstream at risk to all.

The kid had an actual IEP, per the family's lawyer. He is quoted at the end of the article. https://apnews.com/article/education-virginia-newport-news-children-33ed30539f279405f696ad10d4ff46a1

Of course.

Because it can’t possibly be sociopathy disguised as ODD.