“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

I totally disagree.
Those on the left will deem this person a hero, no doubt.
But it has done irreparable damage to SCOTUS and legal experts and those who are paying attention understand that.

I have no doubt the leaker will be identified.... maybe not publicly.... but he/she will be discovered. And, this person has destroyed his/her future in law.
However, this leaker may be able to get a gig on MSNBC.

Overturning Roe on a conservative/liberal split will do irreparable damage to SCOTUS. The facade of the impartial Justice was already waning, it's gone after this.

The leaker will do very well for themselves, and I say that regardless of party affiliation. If the leaker was a FedSoc type trying to keep an errant Kavanaugh in line, they will be hailed as a hero for fighting to the last. If the leaker was a liberal, they’ll be hailed as a hero for taking one last stand to defend womens rights. Many progressive top law firms will have no trouble with it, and as a client of those firms I would have no problem hiring a litigator with that background.

Even if that litigator has no license to practice law? Because that is pretty much inevitable.

LOL, no it’s not. If the leaker is already barred in NY or CA or similar, there is not a chance in hell they will be disbarred over this.

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

I totally disagree.
Those on the left will deem this person a hero, no doubt.
But it has done irreparable damage to SCOTUS and legal experts and those who are paying attention understand that.

I have no doubt the leaker will be identified.... maybe not publicly.... but he/she will be discovered. And, this person has destroyed his/her future in law.
However, this leaker may be able to get a gig on MSNBC.

Overturning Roe on a conservative/liberal split will do irreparable damage to SCOTUS. The facade of the impartial Justice was already waning, it's gone after this.

The leaker will do very well for themselves, and I say that regardless of party affiliation. If the leaker was a FedSoc type trying to keep an errant Kavanaugh in line, they will be hailed as a hero for fighting to the last. If the leaker was a liberal, they’ll be hailed as a hero for taking one last stand to defend womens rights. Many progressive top law firms will have no trouble with it, and as a client of those firms I would have no problem hiring a litigator with that background.

Even if that litigator has no license to practice law? Because that is pretty much inevitable.

LOL, no it’s not. If the leaker is already barred in NY or CA or similar, there is not a chance in hell they will be disbarred over this.

Ginni Thomas does not have a law license.

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

I think this has woken the people. The GOP is dead. I’ve said for years it’s a zombie party, alive only due to the goofer dust of cheating, right wing propanganda and dark money. This will find it beat into pulp.

I’m sorry but this is a delusional stance. I saw this sort of thing written after the 2020 elections too, and now the GOP is poised to take back the house and senate. This court will be at this balance for years to come, doing everything the GOP lawmakers told its voters it would. I think we will look back at Biden’s win as a brief pause from our descent as a country.

They already weren’t. I posted about 35 pages ago that the polling had already begun to move back toward the Democrats. You think seeing the fascism clearly is going to help the GOP?

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

Which of those five would get cold feet? All five of them are gleefully running forward. I guess maybe possibly Gorsuch - only because he was the surprise ally in the trans case last year - but I just don't see it happening. What, is Kav "I LOVE BEER" suddenly going to give two [banned word] about women?

Kavanaugh is the recalcitrant vote. This entire leak was done to put the focus on him. Remember he's more of a partisan hack than a true believer like the other four. Either Roberts is trying to pull him away for a compromise opinion (Roberts wants to allow the MO restrictions but keep Roe) or Ginni Thomas is trying to keep him on board.

NP here: agreed. I think this leak is coming out of the chambers of one of the Republican-appointed justices. Either to keep a wavering justice in line or to sway someone to a more moderated view.

Democratic-appointed justices don't gain much from leaking this. Better to have let the final decision drop like a neutron bomb this summer, closer to the date of the midterms.

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Anonymous wrote:If this country operated correctly then all the Justices who said explicitly that they would respect stare decisis in this matter during their confirmation hearings would get criminal referrals for lying to Congress.

If this country operated correctly the Democrats would have made bought and paid for justices an issue decades ago.

The Supreme Court has officially become a joke. I, like a gazillion other people on here, went to law school. I loved appellate practice and procedure, participated in moot court competitions all over the country and I loved it. I though a career in appellate law was where I wanted to be. It's kind of sickening to come to the conclusion that people that were held up as models of fairness, intellect, and measured jurisprudence are really just partisan hacks.

The Court should be expanded and heavily reformed.

Another lawyer here and I couldn't agree more. Sickening is right.

Honestly, this applies to the whole legal profession - lawyers have allowed the partisan nature of the bar by not policing their own. Lawyers have increasingly made ridiculous arguments before the courts often based on hiding or false information or legal theories that go far beyond novel but credible arguments and in the Executive Branch - those lawyers should be disbarred and instead they are supported and protected by the legal system. And this didn’t just start with crazies like Giuliani and Lin Woods. Why the guys from OLC who argued that torture wasn’t torture (John Yoo) could leave OLC and go back to his job at UC Berkeley Law is beyond me.

The bar needs serious reform. It protects white conservative lawyers at the expense of the rest of us.

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Anonymous wrote:If this country operated correctly then all the Justices who said explicitly that they would respect stare decisis in this matter during their confirmation hearings would get criminal referrals for lying to Congress.

If this country operated correctly the Democrats would have made bought and paid for justices an issue decades ago.

The Supreme Court has officially become a joke. I, like a gazillion other people on here, went to law school. I loved appellate practice and procedure, participated in moot court competitions all over the country and I loved it. I though a career in appellate law was where I wanted to be. It's kind of sickening to come to the conclusion that people that were held up as models of fairness, intellect, and measured jurisprudence are really just partisan hacks.

The Court should be expanded and heavily reformed.

Another lawyer here and I couldn't agree more. Sickening is right.

Honestly, this applies to the whole legal profession - lawyers have allowed the partisan nature of the bar by not policing their own. Lawyers have increasingly made ridiculous arguments before the courts often based on hiding or false information or legal theories that go far beyond novel but credible arguments and in the Executive Branch - those lawyers should be disbarred and instead they are supported and protected by the legal system. And this didn’t just start with crazies like Giuliani and Lin Woods. Why the guys from OLC who argued that torture wasn’t torture (John Yoo) could leave OLC and go back to his job at UC Berkeley Law is beyond me.

The bar needs serious reform. It protects white conservative lawyers at the expense of the rest of us.

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IANAL but this is the truth. There was no discipline for any of the horrible crap the W admin rammed through the legal system or the people who did it.

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

Which of those five would get cold feet? All five of them are gleefully running forward. I guess maybe possibly Gorsuch - only because he was the surprise ally in the trans case last year - but I just don't see it happening. What, is Kav "I LOVE BEER" suddenly going to give two [banned word] about women?

Kavanaugh is the recalcitrant vote. This entire leak was done to put the focus on him. Remember he's more of a partisan hack than a true believer like the other four. Either Roberts is trying to pull him away for a compromise opinion (Roberts wants to allow the MO restrictions but keep Roe) or Ginni Thomas is trying to keep him on board.

NP here: agreed. I think this leak is coming out of the chambers of one of the Republican-appointed justices. Either to keep a wavering justice in line or to sway someone to a more moderated view.

Democratic-appointed justices don't gain much from leaking this. Better to have let the final decision drop like a neutron bomb this summer, closer to the date of the midterms.

The liberal justices don’t want Alito’s decision issued at all. They would rather see a pared back version that still preserves Roe (since they know they’re not going to get the Court to go completely the other way on this case). If they can’t accomplish that, then any value Democrats might get from this in November (which is still very speculative) would only be a consolation prize.

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

Which of those five would get cold feet? All five of them are gleefully running forward. I guess maybe possibly Gorsuch - only because he was the surprise ally in the trans case last year - but I just don't see it happening. What, is Kav "I LOVE BEER" suddenly going to give two [banned word] about women?

Kavanaugh is the recalcitrant vote. This entire leak was done to put the focus on him. Remember he's more of a partisan hack than a true believer like the other four. Either Roberts is trying to pull him away for a compromise opinion (Roberts wants to allow the MO restrictions but keep Roe) or Ginni Thomas is trying to keep him on board.

NP here: agreed. I think this leak is coming out of the chambers of one of the Republican-appointed justices. Either to keep a wavering justice in line or to sway someone to a more moderated view.

Democratic-appointed justices don't gain much from leaking this. Better to have let the final decision drop like a neutron bomb this summer, closer to the date of the midterms.

I dunno. The earlier the better I think since this is before the primaries. This will galvanize the left if not, then I don't know what will.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have just won the 2022 midterms.

Yes, yes they have. By a huge effing margin.

No. Abortion is not a high priority issue for most people.

But it isnt just about abortion. It makes remarks about other opinions AND it means that anyone can lie to get onto the Supreme Court. This isnt just about abortion. It isnt. Trust. Institutions. Healthcare. Injection of religious opinion into law.

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Wouldn’t be surprised if it came from Ginny Thomas. We already know Clarence talks to her about cases.

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

Which of those five would get cold feet? All five of them are gleefully running forward. I guess maybe possibly Gorsuch - only because he was the surprise ally in the trans case last year - but I just don't see it happening. What, is Kav "I LOVE BEER" suddenly going to give two [banned word] about women?

Kavanaugh is the recalcitrant vote. This entire leak was done to put the focus on him. Remember he's more of a partisan hack than a true believer like the other four. Either Roberts is trying to pull him away for a compromise opinion (Roberts wants to allow the MO restrictions but keep Roe) or Ginni Thomas is trying to keep him on board.

While there is a lot of unfounded emotion being spewed all over this thread, this is the first post I've come across that sounds truly unhinged -- just like the conspiracy theories thrown about within the Far Right.

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Anonymous wrote:If this country operated correctly then all the Justices who said explicitly that they would respect stare decisis in this matter during their confirmation hearings would get criminal referrals for lying to Congress.

If this country operated correctly the Democrats would have made bought and paid for justices an issue decades ago.

The Supreme Court has officially become a joke. I, like a gazillion other people on here, went to law school. I loved appellate practice and procedure, participated in moot court competitions all over the country and I loved it. I though a career in appellate law was where I wanted to be. It's kind of sickening to come to the conclusion that people that were held up as models of fairness, intellect, and measured jurisprudence are really just partisan hacks.

The Court should be expanded and heavily reformed.

Another lawyer here and I couldn't agree more. Sickening is right.

Honestly, this applies to the whole legal profession - lawyers have allowed the partisan nature of the bar by not policing their own. Lawyers have increasingly made ridiculous arguments before the courts often based on hiding or false information or legal theories that go far beyond novel but credible arguments and in the Executive Branch - those lawyers should be disbarred and instead they are supported and protected by the legal system. And this didn’t just start with crazies like Giuliani and Lin Woods. Why the guys from OLC who argued that torture wasn’t torture (John Yoo) could leave OLC and go back to his job at UC Berkeley Law is beyond me.

The bar needs serious reform. It protects white conservative lawyers at the expense of the rest of us.

While I agree about the first part it should be fairly obvious that John Woo isn't white. This isn't a racial issue and it hurts your argument to make it one. Too many lawyers are too willing to believe the ends justify the means. Too many lawyers view laws and principles as obstacles to get around.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

Which of those five would get cold feet? All five of them are gleefully running forward. I guess maybe possibly Gorsuch - only because he was the surprise ally in the trans case last year - but I just don't see it happening. What, is Kav "I LOVE BEER" suddenly going to give two [banned word] about women?

Kavanaugh is the recalcitrant vote. This entire leak was done to put the focus on him. Remember he's more of a partisan hack than a true believer like the other four. Either Roberts is trying to pull him away for a compromise opinion (Roberts wants to allow the MO restrictions but keep Roe) or Ginni Thomas is trying to keep him on board.

While there is a lot of unfounded emotion being spewed all over this thread, this is the first post I've come across that sounds truly unhinged -- just like the conspiracy theories thrown about within the Far Right.

Lol, nothing about that seems unhinged.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t be surprised if it came from Ginny Thomas. We already know Clarence talks to her about cases.

How would leak benefit her?

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Anonymous wrote:Such a lengthy opinion when all they have to say is “because the Catholic Church is against abortion.”[/quote

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And more appalling that these were judges appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote.