“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:Women should start a nationwide ban on sex as a protest if this goes into effect.

No, but women (and men who love women) should walk out of their jobs/homes until it’s fixed.

Go on strike a la Poland.

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Does this mean that in red states miscarriages will have to be reported to the police?

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Anonymous wrote:Such a lengthy opinion when all they have to say is “because the Catholic Church is against abortion.”

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And more appalling that these were judges appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote.

We are no longer a functional representative democracy.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why congress has never passed a law saying abortion is legal. Why leave it to the Supreme Court?

Because it was already decided by the Supreme Court and NO ONE goes against the stare decisis. Meaning that it would have looked dumb to put it into law when it was already a protected right. EVERY single judge on that court said they would respect stare decisis- even specifically with Roe v Wade. They are all liars. If anything they likely worked with states/entities so that they could rule in favor of it. They are traitors- to their profession, to the country, to their oaths.

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

And, this is why the leak is so dangerous.
Justices should never be pressured to decide a case based on what outside groups lobby them to do. Ever.
But, you are probably correct in that the INTENT of the leaker is to alter the decision of the court. Very dangerous.

What if one of their wives is taking money from those groups? Would that be ok?

Great question. PP?

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

I totally disagree.
Those on the left will deem this person a hero, no doubt.
But it has done irreparable damage to SCOTUS and legal experts and those who are paying attention understand that.

I have no doubt the leaker will be identified.... maybe not publicly.... but he/she will be discovered. And, this person has destroyed his/her future in law.
However, this leaker may be able to get a gig on MSNBC.

The damage to the Supreme Court was done when McConnell refused to even hold hearings for a vacant spot when a Democrat was President and then rushed to confirm a candidate days before an election when a Republican was president. Any suggestion that the Court was anything but political was clearly moot at that point.

Correct. And every single person on here -left AND right- knows it.

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Anonymous wrote:For some reason this leak cannot be discussed in the college forum but I would think about it when looking for a school. Anyone that might assist a person seeking an abortion could be in violation if some of these crazy laws and what does that even mean? Can your student discuss it, or give someone a ride or belong to a pro choice organization, etc etc?

Maybe find a state for your son'snand daughters educations that have some respect for the reproductive rights of the people in that state.

I crossed UT-Austin off the college list for my kids. I am not paying tuition for my daughter - not my son - to any state where abortion is restricted.

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

And, this is why the leak is so dangerous.
Justices should never be pressured to decide a case based on what outside groups lobby them to do. Ever.
But, you are probably correct in that the INTENT of the leaker is to alter the decision of the court. Very dangerous.

What if one of their wives is taking money from those groups? Would that be ok?

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This is why the court is broken. It’s like the NFL’s obsession with players wearing suits, to be classy or something, but they don’t care about the domestic abuse. Here, right wingers realize they done gone too far and they risk people grasping the depravity of their party and the fascists on the court, so they’re trying to make this about the leaks.

If you want us to care about the leaks, get Gorsuch (Merrick Garland), Kavanaugh (attempted rapist, lied in his hearing, bought and paid for), ACB (unqualified, lied in her hearing, bought and paid for) and Clarence Thomas (conflicts of interest) off the Court. Then we can talk about the leaker. But until then, your (faux) concern is misplaced.

Exactly.

Shove your faux concern up your butt while you still have the bodily autonomy to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not a lawyer, so I want to make sure I understand the potential ramifications of this properly:

In addition to severely limiting/eliminating legal abortion in many states, this decision could set the precedent for overturning previous rulings that also used the right to privacy as their basis. That could include Loving (the right to interracial marriage), Griswald (right to purchase contraceptives without government restriction), Obergefell (right to same-sex marriage), etc. Since none of those rights are explicitly spelled out in the Constitution, under this ruling, they would be vulnerable.

Is that correct?

Alitos argument is worse. He’s claiming there must be long term history so we can undo any law till we get to only white, land owning men can vote.

Wow.

There really is no limit to their depravity.

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

I totally disagree.
Those on the left will deem this person a hero, no doubt.
But it has done irreparable damage to SCOTUS and legal experts and those who are paying attention understand that.

I have no doubt the leaker will be identified.... maybe not publicly.... but he/she will be discovered. And, this person has destroyed his/her future in law.
However, this leaker may be able to get a gig on MSNBC.

The damage to the Supreme Court was done when McConnell refused to even hold hearings for a vacant spot when a Democrat was President and then rushed to confirm a candidate days before an election when a Republican was president. Any suggestion that the Court was anything but political was clearly moot at that point.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Women should start a nationwide ban on sex as a protest if this goes into effect.

No, but women (and men who love women) should walk out of their jobs/homes until it’s fixed.

Go on strike a la Poland.

No make sure you go to jury duty and any abortion case you find not guilty. Jury nullification. There will be enough support that big government can never get a conviction. It will be a middle finger to Alito and company.

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

Which of those five would get cold feet? All five of them are gleefully running forward. I guess maybe possibly Gorsuch - only because he was the surprise ally in the trans case last year - but I just don't see it happening. What, is Kav "I LOVE BEER" suddenly going to give two [banned word] about women?

Kavanaugh is the recalcitrant vote. This entire leak was done to put the focus on him. Remember he's more of a partisan hack than a true believer like the other four. Either Roberts is trying to pull him away for a compromise opinion (Roberts wants to allow the MO restrictions but keep Roe) or Ginni Thomas is trying to keep him on board.

Will leftists go to his house, threaten his wife and threaten his children? Time will tell.

People do desperate things when they feel like they don’t have any other recourse.

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

Unauthorized disclosures are generally illegal, but even for classified info, the sentences are usually pretty light relative to the damage.

The court is self governing and doesn't have rules about this. I am sorry, if one justice can participate in a coup against the country and not hasve to recuse themselves from related cases, then I don't GAF about this.

See how shattering norms and rules works?

I find it difficult to believe SCOTUS has no rules to protect its deliberative process.

I have heard former SCOTUS clerks say they were warned on the first day of the job that leaking opinions would not be tolerated and would end in dismissal and disbarment. So, I do believe they have rules.
Add to that the fact that no opinion has ever been leaked before.

This person needs to be identified immediately and dealt with. This is unacceptable.

If the legal profession were to disbar the leakier of this draft but not disbar Thomas for failing to disclose conflicts or Giuliani or Sydney Powell, etc. it would only demonstrate how the bar serves power not principle.

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The Supreme Court has officially become a joke. I, like a gazillion other people on here, went to law school. I loved appellate practice and procedure, participated in moot court competitions all over the country and I loved it. I though a career in appellate law was where I wanted to be. It's kind of sickening to come to the conclusion that people that were held up as models of fairness, intellect, and measured jurisprudence are really just partisan hacks.

The Court should be expanded and heavily reformed.

Yup. The SCOTUS is defunct.

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Anonymous wrote:Women should start a nationwide ban on sex as a protest if this goes into effect.

No, but women (and men who love women) should walk out of their jobs/homes until it’s fixed.

Go on strike a la Poland.

No make sure you go to jury duty and any abortion case you find not guilty. Jury nullification. There will be enough support that big government can never get a conviction. It will be a middle finger to Alito and company.

Reminds me of Andrew Jackson's quote: "The Supreme Court has made its decision, now let them enforce it."