“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

And, this is why the leak is so dangerous.
Justices should never be pressured to decide a case based on what outside groups lobby them to do. Ever.
But, you are probably correct in that the INTENT of the leaker is to alter the decision of the court. Very dangerous.

What if one of their wives is taking money from those groups? Would that be ok?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

Which of those five would get cold feet? All five of them are gleefully running forward. I guess maybe possibly Gorsuch - only because he was the surprise ally in the trans case last year - but I just don't see it happening. What, is Kav "I LOVE BEER" suddenly going to give two [banned word] about women?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

I totally disagree.
Those on the left will deem this person a hero, no doubt.
But it has done irreparable damage to SCOTUS and legal experts and those who are paying attention understand that.

I have no doubt the leaker will be identified.... maybe not publicly.... but he/she will be discovered. And, this person has destroyed his/her future in law.
However, this leaker may be able to get a gig on MSNBC.

Overturning Roe on a conservative/liberal split will do irreparable damage to SCOTUS. The facade of the impartial Justice was already waning, it's gone after this.

The leaker will do very well for themselves, and I say that regardless of party affiliation. If the leaker was a FedSoc type trying to keep an errant Kavanaugh in line, they will be hailed as a hero for fighting to the last. If the leaker was a liberal, they’ll be hailed as a hero for taking one last stand to defend womens rights. Many progressive top law firms will have no trouble with it, and as a client of those firms I would have no problem hiring a litigator with that background.

Even if that litigator has no license to practice law? Because that is pretty much inevitable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

Disbarred ??? For WHAT ? The Leaker is a HERO and has honored their Oath to Profession:

1) Duty to the Law- upholding precident

2) Duty to the Court - as opposed to allowing the court to be politically corrupted beyond its ability to recover in the Eyes of the American People

3) Duty to the Client: the 150 Million women in America's legal rights

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the Texas abortion law hasn't changed Republican popularity in Texas, what makes anyone think it will change the political landscape elsewhere?

That's because nobody has brought a case (not designed for an appeal) yet. That calculus changes after this ruling comes down. For instance, laws against travelling out of state for an abortion (fugitive pregnancy acts). People haven't seen what the natural consequences of these laws are yet. Inter-state conflicts are where the big problems will become apparent. Getting an abortion out of state.

After that it will be other privacy/individual rights that will now have no more constitutional protection because they weren't specifically enumerated in 1787. Who knows what will happen, it all depends on the self-restraint of state legislatures and congress - something that has been in short supply lately, but the fact remains that a lot of things we take for granted as being no business of government will now be allowed to be regulated.

Th import of this massive activist change in our basic governance social contract cannot be understated. The power of the state to control our private behavior has been massively increased. An individual is right, for the first time in our history, has been taken away. That's a big freaking deal.

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

I think this has woken the people. The GOP is dead. I’ve said for years it’s a zombie party, alive only due to the goofer dust of cheating, right wing propanganda and dark money. This will find it beat into pulp.

I’m sorry but this is a delusional stance. I saw this sort of thing written after the 2020 elections too, and now the GOP is poised to take back the house and senate. This court will be at this balance for years to come, doing everything the GOP lawmakers told its voters it would. I think we will look back at Biden’s win as a brief pause from our descent as a country.

For years, Republicans have been far better at gerrymandering at the state level and at getting constitutional amendments with neutral boundaries passed in states they have trouble winning. Democrats are just terrible and bare knuckle politics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

And, this is why the leak is so dangerous.
Justices should never be pressured to decide a case based on what outside groups lobby them to do. Ever.
But, you are probably correct in that the INTENT of the leaker is to alter the decision of the court. Very dangerous.

Good. Now do Ginny Thomas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

I think this has woken the people. The GOP is dead. I’ve said for years it’s a zombie party, alive only due to the goofer dust of cheating, right wing propanganda and dark money. This will find it beat into pulp.

I’m sorry but this is a delusional stance. I saw this sort of thing written after the 2020 elections too, and now the GOP is poised to take back the house and senate. This court will be at this balance for years to come, doing everything the GOP lawmakers told its voters it would. I think we will look back at Biden’s win as a brief pause from our descent as a country.

For years, Republicans have been far better at gerrymandering at the state level and at getting constitutional amendments with neutral boundaries passed in states they have trouble winning. Democrats are just terrible and bare knuckle politics.

What I hear you saying is Republicans have no ethics or moral compass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

And, this is why the leak is so dangerous.
Justices should never be pressured to decide a case based on what outside groups lobby them to do. Ever.
But, you are probably correct in that the INTENT of the leaker is to alter the decision of the court. Very dangerous.

What if one of their wives is taking money from those groups? Would that be ok?

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This is why the court is broken. It’s like the NFL’s obsession with players wearing suits, to be classy or something, but they don’t care about the domestic abuse. Here, right wingers realize they done gone too far and they risk people grasping the depravity of their party and the fascists on the court, so they’re trying to make this about the leaks.

If you want us to care about the leaks, get Gorsuch (Merrick Garland), Kavanaugh (attempted rapist, lied in his hearing, bought and paid for), ACB (unqualified, lied in her hearing, bought and paid for) and Clarence Thomas (conflicts of interest) off the Court. Then we can talk about the leaker. But until then, your (faux) concern is misplaced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

I totally disagree.
Those on the left will deem this person a hero, no doubt.
But it has done irreparable damage to SCOTUS and legal experts and those who are paying attention understand that.

I have no doubt the leaker will be identified.... maybe not publicly.... but he/she will be discovered. And, this person has destroyed his/her future in law.
However, this leaker may be able to get a gig on MSNBC.

Overturning Roe on a conservative/liberal split will do irreparable damage to SCOTUS. The facade of the impartial Justice was already waning, it's gone after this.

The leaker will do very well for themselves, and I say that regardless of party affiliation. If the leaker was a FedSoc type trying to keep an errant Kavanaugh in line, they will be hailed as a hero for fighting to the last. If the leaker was a liberal, they’ll be hailed as a hero for taking one last stand to defend womens rights. Many progressive top law firms will have no trouble with it, and as a client of those firms I would have no problem hiring a litigator with that background.

Even if that litigator has no license to practice law? Because that is pretty much inevitable.

They won't be disbarred. Do you really think the Supreme Court will want to air their dirty laundry in a public dislipanary hearing? Even if they do, what's to prevent a state like California or Vermont from licensing them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

Which of those five would get cold feet? All five of them are gleefully running forward. I guess maybe possibly Gorsuch - only because he was the surprise ally in the trans case last year - but I just don't see it happening. What, is Kav "I LOVE BEER" suddenly going to give two [banned word] about women?

He might care a lot about the possibility of all the FedSoc money that’s helping to fund his preferred lifestyle ends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women should start a nationwide ban on sex as a protest if this goes into effect.

No. Silly response. Does nothing about rape or incest and why should
Women deny themselves pleasure because Alito wants to bring us back to 1776?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women should start a nationwide ban on sex as a protest if this goes into effect.

That won’t help the abused women, the coerced women, the impoverished women who use sex as currency, the girls being raped by their fathers with the full blessing of the GOP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

Which of those five would get cold feet? All five of them are gleefully running forward. I guess maybe possibly Gorsuch - only because he was the surprise ally in the trans case last year - but I just don't see it happening. What, is Kav "I LOVE BEER" suddenly going to give two [banned word] about women?

Kavanaugh is the recalcitrant vote. This entire leak was done to put the focus on him. Remember he's more of a partisan hack than a true believer like the other four. Either Roberts is trying to pull him away for a compromise opinion (Roberts wants to allow the MO restrictions but keep Roe) or Ginni Thomas is trying to keep him on board.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Women should start a nationwide ban on sex as a protest if this goes into effect.

No. Silly response. Does nothing about rape or incest and why should
Women deny themselves pleasure because Alito wants to bring us back to 1776?

I posted the same sentiment as you, but Democratic women married to forced birther voters could go Lysistrata to great effect.