Boundary Review Meetings

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Anonymous wrote:This is what Reid said she will likely put forth as amendments to her original plan. She said she'll release Thursday. (This is my AI overview of her remarks):

- Proceed now with moving Walney Oaks (SPA 4420) from Franklin MS to Rocky Run MS.
- Defer decisions on Rolling Valley ES split feeder to a new review, with potential relief recommendations due January 2027.
- Defer Beech Tree ES moves tied to Glasgow MS relief; first implement the new Poe AAP center, then report back in January 2027 on Glasgow enrollment and demographics.
- Set January 2027 reviews for:
- Rolling Valley ES
- Beech Tree ES
- Lorton Station / Gunston / Halley / Laurel Hill area
- Graham Greenway / Jefferson Village / Kingsley Commons area
- Crossfield-to-Lee’s Corner 12-student move and related SPAs north of 395 aligned to Edison HS.
- Cardinal Forest / Keene Mill boundary question remains under staff review and may or may not be amended depending on new analysis and further input.

Those dastardly West Springfield moms and their SPA’s north of 395! This was all their doing! :lol:

Well, too bad for them. McDaniel said he wants to put WSHS on the list and thinks its overcrowded. He wants them added to the review for next year.

McDaniel hates West Springfield (the community) because he has a hatred for Pat Herrity and hates the Springfield community for continuing to elect Herrity.

McDaniel is doung this over a political grudge against 22153/22153, not because he cares about rezoning or capacity at WSHS.

DP. West Springfield is identified as the most overcrowded HS in the draft CIP. They lose credibility when they propose to move kids out of Justice, Marshall, and McLean, but not West Springfield. If you think their calculations are wrong you should demand a moratorium on any boundary changes until they audit how they are coming up with their program capacities and forecasts. Attacking individual board members reacting to the information in front of them isn’t a good look.

WSHS community members have raised questions about the data assumptions at WSHS throughout the entire boundary process. No one ever answers the question. The new CIP shows all of the ES feeders and Irving MS dropping in enrollment, but WSHS going up. And they don't explain that. And our school board rep didn't ask about it today at the CIP work meeting, which I listened to for that very reason.

+1 the numbers are suspect to me given the national trends. But at the same time, they have said for years that WSHS’s numbers are going to drop any time now and they just never do. So who knows?

If some of the original plan to move some of Hunt Valley to South County materializes, SCMS/HS won’t be able to pick up many if any other students. Moving some/all of Lorton Station AND some/all of HV south of the Parkway to SC isn’t workable and just creates a capacity situation at a different school.

I think if a neighborhood mives out of WSHS it should be Shannon Station from Keene Mill elementary on the other side of town, to next door White Oaks and Lake Braddock.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what Reid said she will likely put forth as amendments to her original plan. She said she'll release Thursday. (This is my AI overview of her remarks):

- Proceed now with moving Walney Oaks (SPA 4420) from Franklin MS to Rocky Run MS.
- Defer decisions on Rolling Valley ES split feeder to a new review, with potential relief recommendations due January 2027.
- Defer Beech Tree ES moves tied to Glasgow MS relief; first implement the new Poe AAP center, then report back in January 2027 on Glasgow enrollment and demographics.
- Set January 2027 reviews for:
- Rolling Valley ES
- Beech Tree ES
- Lorton Station / Gunston / Halley / Laurel Hill area
- Graham Greenway / Jefferson Village / Kingsley Commons area
- Crossfield-to-Lee’s Corner 12-student move and related SPAs north of 395 aligned to Edison HS.
- Cardinal Forest / Keene Mill boundary question remains under staff review and may or may not be amended depending on new analysis and further input.

Moving Walney Oaks to Rocky Run implies they will stay at Chantilly HS. This seems to give more credence to the Lees Corner to Western rumored scenario E.

Not necessarily. Are they only moving that one SPA, or is it the whole Franklin peninsula south of 50?

The thing is, I don't think removing Oak Hill plus removing that area near Wegmans (on the other side of Walney Oaks) is going to provide enough relief to Chantilly when they are adding that area near Walmart in Fair Oaks to Chantilly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what Reid said she will likely put forth as amendments to her original plan. She said she'll release Thursday. (This is my AI overview of her remarks):

- Proceed now with moving Walney Oaks (SPA 4420) from Franklin MS to Rocky Run MS.
- Defer decisions on Rolling Valley ES split feeder to a new review, with potential relief recommendations due January 2027.
- Defer Beech Tree ES moves tied to Glasgow MS relief; first implement the new Poe AAP center, then report back in January 2027 on Glasgow enrollment and demographics.
- Set January 2027 reviews for:
- Rolling Valley ES
- Beech Tree ES
- Lorton Station / Gunston / Halley / Laurel Hill area
- Graham Greenway / Jefferson Village / Kingsley Commons area
- Crossfield-to-Lee’s Corner 12-student move and related SPAs north of 395 aligned to Edison HS.
- Cardinal Forest / Keene Mill boundary question remains under staff review and may or may not be amended depending on new analysis and further input.

Moving Walney Oaks to Rocky Run implies they will stay at Chantilly HS. This seems to give more credence to the Lees Corner to Western rumored scenario E.

Not necessarily. Are they only moving that one SPA, or is it the whole Franklin peninsula south of 50?

The thing is, I don't think removing Oak Hill plus removing that area near Wegmans (on the other side of Walney Oaks) is going to provide enough relief to Chantilly when they are adding that area near Walmart in Fair Oaks to Chantilly.

Is Chantilly going to the new high school?

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They are only adding like 50 kids to Chantilly. Oak Hill ES will be zoned Western and that’s a pretty decent group. Also parts of Franklin Glen were on the list - also Chantilly zoned. Plus anyone zoned for Chantilly can opt in so they will lose a few that way too. Not sure all of this will bring it to under 100% though..

[Anonymous]

Sounds like they plan on doing rolling reviews from here on out as well as big county-wide reviews again every 5 years.

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What is with Matt Dunne's email? Anyone know how to find the changes?

"Today, the Superintendent made unexpected changes to her recommendations during a School Board work session. I need to evaluate her amended recommendations and request additional information from the Superintendent. For this reason, I am postponing the Virtual Town Hall to next week."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is with Matt Dunne's email? Anyone know how to find the changes?

"Today, the Superintendent made unexpected changes to her recommendations during a School Board work session. I need to evaluate her amended recommendations and request additional information from the Superintendent. For this reason, I am postponing the Virtual Town Hall to next week."

???
there was a work session today. When did he send the email.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is with Matt Dunne's email? Anyone know how to find the changes?

"Today, the Superintendent made unexpected changes to her recommendations during a School Board work session. I need to evaluate her amended recommendations and request additional information from the Superintendent. For this reason, I am postponing the Virtual Town Hall to next week."

???
there was a work session today. When did he send the email.

6:18 pm tonight. How can we find the changes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is with Matt Dunne's email? Anyone know how to find the changes?

"Today, the Superintendent made unexpected changes to her recommendations during a School Board work session. I need to evaluate her amended recommendations and request additional information from the Superintendent. For this reason, I am postponing the Virtual Town Hall to next week."

???
there was a work session today. When did he send the email.

6:18 pm tonight. How can we find the changes?

Someone summarized them in the post at 16:07

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/5715/1292559.page

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Anonymous wrote:So they wrote a policy to base redistricting on a cyclical time table only to ACT like the old policy is still in effect and boundaries should be reviewed when schools are over capacity?

Why do these board members think we should have faith in their abilities to write policies when they themselves are running roughshod over the very policies they wrote and enacted?

Policy 8130 commits to a county-wide review at least once every five years but there is a whole section of the policy on “off-cycle” boundary adjustments, including for adjustments for overcrowded schools.

Just when you thought it was safe to get back into the water…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is what Reid said she will likely put forth as amendments to her original plan. She said she'll release Thursday. (This is my AI overview of her remarks):

- Proceed now with moving Walney Oaks (SPA 4420) from Franklin MS to Rocky Run MS.
- Defer decisions on Rolling Valley ES split feeder to a new review, with potential relief recommendations due January 2027.
- Defer Beech Tree ES moves tied to Glasgow MS relief; first implement the new Poe AAP center, then report back in January 2027 on Glasgow enrollment and demographics.
- Set January 2027 reviews for:
- Rolling Valley ES
- Beech Tree ES
- Lorton Station / Gunston / Halley / Laurel Hill area
- Graham Greenway / Jefferson Village / Kingsley Commons area
- Crossfield-to-Lee’s Corner 12-student move and related SPAs north of 395 aligned to Edison HS.
- Cardinal Forest / Keene Mill boundary question remains under staff review and may or may not be amended depending on new analysis and further input.

Those dastardly West Springfield moms and their SPA’s north of 395! This was all their doing! :lol:

Well, too bad for them. McDaniel said he wants to put WSHS on the list and thinks its overcrowded. He wants them added to the review for next year.

McDaniel hates West Springfield (the community) because he has a hatred for Pat Herrity and hates the Springfield community for continuing to elect Herrity.

McDaniel is doung this over a political grudge against 22153/22153, not because he cares about rezoning or capacity at WSHS.

DP. West Springfield is identified as the most overcrowded HS in the draft CIP. They lose credibility when they propose to move kids out of Justice, Marshall, and McLean, but not West Springfield. If you think their calculations are wrong you should demand a moratorium on any boundary changes until they audit how they are coming up with their program capacities and forecasts. Attacking individual board members reacting to the information in front of them isn’t a good look.

WSHS community members have raised questions about the data assumptions at WSHS throughout the entire boundary process. No one ever answers the question. The new CIP shows all of the ES feeders and Irving MS dropping in enrollment, but WSHS going up. And they don't explain that. And our school board rep didn't ask about it today at the CIP work meeting, which I listened to for that very reason.

+1 the numbers are suspect to me given the national trends. But at the same time, they have said for years that WSHS’s numbers are going to drop any time now and they just never do. So who knows?

If some of the original plan to move some of Hunt Valley to South County materializes, SCMS/HS won’t be able to pick up many if any other students. Moving some/all of Lorton Station AND some/all of HV south of the Parkway to SC isn’t workable and just creates a capacity situation at a different school.

I think if a neighborhood mives out of WSHS it should be Shannon Station from Keene Mill elementary on the other side of town, to next door White Oaks and Lake Braddock.

Was that one of the original proposed changes that they decided not to go ahead with? It’s a good idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So they wrote a policy to base redistricting on a cyclical time table only to ACT like the old policy is still in effect and boundaries should be reviewed when schools are over capacity?

Why do these board members think we should have faith in their abilities to write policies when they themselves are running roughshod over the very policies they wrote and enacted?

Policy 8130 commits to a county-wide review at least once every five years but there is a whole section of the policy on “off-cycle” boundary adjustments, including for adjustments for overcrowded schools.

Right because the board is AWFUL and wants no responsibility for anything they do!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what Reid said she will likely put forth as amendments to her original plan. She said she'll release Thursday. (This is my AI overview of her remarks):

- Proceed now with moving Walney Oaks (SPA 4420) from Franklin MS to Rocky Run MS.
- Defer decisions on Rolling Valley ES split feeder to a new review, with potential relief recommendations due January 2027.
- Defer Beech Tree ES moves tied to Glasgow MS relief; first implement the new Poe AAP center, then report back in January 2027 on Glasgow enrollment and demographics.
- Set January 2027 reviews for:
- Rolling Valley ES
- Beech Tree ES
- Lorton Station / Gunston / Halley / Laurel Hill area
- Graham Greenway / Jefferson Village / Kingsley Commons area
- Crossfield-to-Lee’s Corner 12-student move and related SPAs north of 395 aligned to Edison HS.
- Cardinal Forest / Keene Mill boundary question remains under staff review and may or may not be amended depending on new analysis and further input.

Those dastardly West Springfield moms and their SPA’s north of 395! This was all their doing! :lol:

Well, too bad for them. McDaniel said he wants to put WSHS on the list and thinks its overcrowded. He wants them added to the review for next year.

McDaniel hates West Springfield (the community) because he has a hatred for Pat Herrity and hates the Springfield community for continuing to elect Herrity.

McDaniel is doung this over a political grudge against 22153/22153, not because he cares about rezoning or capacity at WSHS.

DP. West Springfield is identified as the most overcrowded HS in the draft CIP. They lose credibility when they propose to move kids out of Justice, Marshall, and McLean, but not West Springfield. If you think their calculations are wrong you should demand a moratorium on any boundary changes until they audit how they are coming up with their program capacities and forecasts. Attacking individual board members reacting to the information in front of them isn’t a good look.

WSHS community members have raised questions about the data assumptions at WSHS throughout the entire boundary process. No one ever answers the question. The new CIP shows all of the ES feeders and Irving MS dropping in enrollment, but WSHS going up. And they don't explain that. And our school board rep didn't ask about it today at the CIP work meeting, which I listened to for that very reason.

+1 the numbers are suspect to me given the national trends. But at the same time, they have said for years that WSHS’s numbers are going to drop any time now and they just never do. So who knows?

If some of the original plan to move some of Hunt Valley to South County materializes, SCMS/HS won’t be able to pick up many if any other students. Moving some/all of Lorton Station AND some/all of HV south of the Parkway to SC isn’t workable and just creates a capacity situation at a different school.

I think if a neighborhood mives out of WSHS it should be Shannon Station from Keene Mill elementary on the other side of town, to next door White Oaks and Lake Braddock.

Was that one of the original proposed changes that they decided not to go ahead with? It’s a good idea.

It was in Map 4. I am not sure about earlier maps.

Dr. Reid's map changed it.

Instead of sending Shannon Station to White Oaks/Lake Braddock, she did a last minute switch that sends them to Cardinal Forest, then moves walkable Cardinal Forest homes to Keene Mill Elementary to make room for Shannon Station at Cardinal Forest.

Cardinal Forest is already full, and there are a lot of kids in Shannon Station, so there is no room for them at Cardinal Forest unless someone else is moved. Cardinal Forest has very tight boundaries, so anyone getting moved from Cardinal Forest to make room for Shannon Station is going to be unhappy, because almost all of the CF neighborhoods are walkable neighborhoods.

The last minute Shannon Station move by Dr. Reid was not a sensible change, if anyone looks at it objectively. But the Shannon Station families pushed for it.

It now will really matter, since Anderson and McDaniel are pushing to rezone WSHS in January 2027 based on today's work session.

Shannon Station was the most logical neighborhood to move out of WSHS to White Oaks and Lake Braddock, since they are so separate from the rest of Keene Mill, not very close to Cardinal Forest, and very close to White Oaks/LB.

But now that Reid is rezoning them to Cardinal Forest so they can stay at WSHS, Shannon Station will be protected from off cycle rezoning in 2027 and 5 year rezoning in 2031.

It really stinks that Dr. Reid did not keep Map 4 recommendations, at least for Shannon Station.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So they wrote a policy to base redistricting on a cyclical time table only to ACT like the old policy is still in effect and boundaries should be reviewed when schools are over capacity?

Why do these board members think we should have faith in their abilities to write policies when they themselves are running roughshod over the very policies they wrote and enacted?

Policy 8130 commits to a county-wide review at least once every five years but there is a whole section of the policy on “off-cycle” boundary adjustments, including for adjustments for overcrowded schools.

Right because the board is AWFUL and wants no responsibility for anything they do!

In theory they’ll be held more accountable for any boundary decisions they make in January 2027 because it will be closer to the next School Board elections.

There are communities that aren’t affected by the current proposals and don’t want any boundary changes so they don’t want anything to happen over the next five years. There are also communities that didn’t get the boundary changes they wanted who are happy it will be taken up again next year - for example, those Falls Church parents so eager to move to Oakton or Madison, and the Jefferson Village/Greenway Downs folks who want to be assigned to a single elementary school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what Reid said she will likely put forth as amendments to her original plan. She said she'll release Thursday. (This is my AI overview of her remarks):

- Proceed now with moving Walney Oaks (SPA 4420) from Franklin MS to Rocky Run MS.
- Defer decisions on Rolling Valley ES split feeder to a new review, with potential relief recommendations due January 2027.
- Defer Beech Tree ES moves tied to Glasgow MS relief; first implement the new Poe AAP center, then report back in January 2027 on Glasgow enrollment and demographics.
- Set January 2027 reviews for:
- Rolling Valley ES
- Beech Tree ES
- Lorton Station / Gunston / Halley / Laurel Hill area
- Graham Greenway / Jefferson Village / Kingsley Commons area
- Crossfield-to-Lee’s Corner 12-student move and related SPAs north of 395 aligned to Edison HS.
- Cardinal Forest / Keene Mill boundary question remains under staff review and may or may not be amended depending on new analysis and further input.

Those dastardly West Springfield moms and their SPA’s north of 395! This was all their doing! :lol:

Well, too bad for them. McDaniel said he wants to put WSHS on the list and thinks its overcrowded. He wants them added to the review for next year.

McDaniel hates West Springfield (the community) because he has a hatred for Pat Herrity and hates the Springfield community for continuing to elect Herrity.

McDaniel is doung this over a political grudge against 22153/22153, not because he cares about rezoning or capacity at WSHS.

DP. West Springfield is identified as the most overcrowded HS in the draft CIP. They lose credibility when they propose to move kids out of Justice, Marshall, and McLean, but not West Springfield. If you think their calculations are wrong you should demand a moratorium on any boundary changes until they audit how they are coming up with their program capacities and forecasts. Attacking individual board members reacting to the information in front of them isn’t a good look.

WSHS community members have raised questions about the data assumptions at WSHS throughout the entire boundary process. No one ever answers the question. The new CIP shows all of the ES feeders and Irving MS dropping in enrollment, but WSHS going up. And they don't explain that. And our school board rep didn't ask about it today at the CIP work meeting, which I listened to for that very reason.

+1 the numbers are suspect to me given the national trends. But at the same time, they have said for years that WSHS’s numbers are going to drop any time now and they just never do. So who knows?

If some of the original plan to move some of Hunt Valley to South County materializes, SCMS/HS won’t be able to pick up many if any other students. Moving some/all of Lorton Station AND some/all of HV south of the Parkway to SC isn’t workable and just creates a capacity situation at a different school.

I think if a neighborhood mives out of WSHS it should be Shannon Station from Keene Mill elementary on the other side of town, to next door White Oaks and Lake Braddock.

Was that one of the original proposed changes that they decided not to go ahead with? It’s a good idea.

It was in Map 4. I am not sure about earlier maps.

Dr. Reid's map changed it.

Instead of sending Shannon Station to White Oaks/Lake Braddock, she did a last minute switch that sends them to Cardinal Forest, then moves walkable Cardinal Forest homes to Keene Mill Elementary to make room for Shannon Station at Cardinal Forest.

Cardinal Forest is already full, and there are a lot of kids in Shannon Station, so there is no room for them at Cardinal Forest unless someone else is moved. Cardinal Forest has very tight boundaries, so anyone getting moved from Cardinal Forest to make room for Shannon Station is going to be unhappy, because almost all of the CF neighborhoods are walkable neighborhoods.

The last minute Shannon Station move by Dr. Reid was not a sensible change, if anyone looks at it objectively. But the Shannon Station families pushed for it.

It now will really matter, since Anderson and McDaniel are pushing to rezone WSHS in January 2027 based on today's work session.

Shannon Station was the most logical neighborhood to move out of WSHS to White Oaks and Lake Braddock, since they are so separate from the rest of Keene Mill, not very close to Cardinal Forest, and very close to White Oaks/LB.

But now that Reid is rezoning them to Cardinal Forest so they can stay at WSHS, Shannon Station will be protected from off cycle rezoning in 2027 and 5 year rezoning in 2031.

It really stinks that Dr. Reid did not keep Map 4 recommendations, at least for Shannon Station.

I thought she said today that she was still looking at the proposed changes at Cardinal Forest? Shannon Station may not get a 5 year pass when everyone else in the WSHS district gets the start this process all over again in January