Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

[Anonymous]

The best form of reparations would mean making top 25 private instutions only open to blacks and urms (tuition and boarding free) while forcing whites to go to state schools.

It gives blacks a larger pool of 'leadership class' and accelerates more of them into the top 5% while also giving incentives to umc whites to vote to raise taxes to fund public secondary and tertiary education more since now they are more likeyl to go there.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

Because every white kid just glides right into elite colleges. Here we go with the race card again. And you know the entire back story of every white person you know well enough to say that you were more honest and hard working than they were? Wow! You have quite the chip on your shoulder!

+1.

Public data shows that actually it is much harder for qualified Asian Americans and whites to get in, as a result of AA racial discrimination.

But it's hard to shallow for some.

not if you use their 1st test score.

You mean, at birth?

I'm sure if APGAR score mattered there would be companies selling you a product to up the score and you would buy it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This conversation is taking me back. I spent most of my junior year in high school practicing for a local (major metropolitan area) music competition which I didn't win. I was a finalist, but the girl that won had parents who had literally rigged the competition in her favor. Every one else had to perform works from a certain repertoire list -- except her. She showed up and played different music and apparently her parents had made a deal with the university that hosted the competition and the judges because she "needed to win" this competition in order to get into a conservatory and the rest of us were just little Asian kids who wanted to go to medical school, so you know . . .

What I remember was her entitlement, even after the scheme was uncovered -- like of course this prize should have been given to her and not to us poor kids who actually practiced. I remember being really bitter that I had given up so much. I didn't go on vacation with my family at Christmas but stayed home to practice. I didn't go to the prom because I wanted to stay home and practice. And this entitled girl didn't miss out on a single activity, not a prom or a vacation.

I got over it, but always assumed it was a bug, not a feature of American life. Kind of sad to realize that indeed the deck has always been stacked against us hard working Joes and that there is an entire group of people who believe that the rules don't apply to them, because they don't.

That's really unfortunate. I remember being a senior at a local nova high school and a friend of mine who was white was pissed and made it known that this asian guy got into the IVY and she was waitlisted. They both had the same grades, but she chose a very general path (bio) and he chose some astrophysics path. Her entitlement really bothered me.

The deck is pretty much stacked against all of us (no matter which ethnicity) who work, stive, and compete against one another in a supposed "meritocracy." Maybe even be inspired to unnecessarily disliked each other because one of us has to "lose."

And then in comes the people with the money, and they bribe or donate their way to the top. Too bad little people, you should be happy with the crumbs you have to fight each other for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

Because every white kid just glides right into elite colleges. Here we go with the race card again. And you know the entire back story of every white person you know well enough to say that you were more honest and hard working than they were? Wow! You have quite the chip on your shoulder!

+1.

Public data shows that actually it is much harder for qualified Asian Americans and whites to get in, as a result of AA racial discrimination.

But it's hard to shallow for some.

Public data shows no such thing. You must be one of those stupid white kids whose parents bribed someone to get you

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

X1,000,000. I'm not black but I fully acknowledge that the deck is completely stacked in favor of rich, white families, including the cheating.

The people that are pissed are the Test Prepper that have spent their whole lives as strivers to find out while they were cheating the system with tutors and test prep they were out played.

Sounds like you’re pissed because you can’t afford a private tutor for your child.

Has probably been banned from his local library for not returning too many books and other misbehavior.

Because everybody has a library close to home or a bus to get there.... keep showing your privilege. It amazes me that you think every town has a library.

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Anonymous wrote:Olivia Jade, Lori Loughlin's daughter, is just the gift that keeps on giving. Here she explaining how her mother MADE her attend college. Starts at 2:25. THIS WAS THREE DAYS AGO!!!!

Lori definitely had no idea what was coming down the pipe.

she's going to have a prison baby with one of the guards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This conversation is taking me back. I spent most of my junior year in high school practicing for a local (major metropolitan area) music competition which I didn't win. I was a finalist, but the girl that won had parents who had literally rigged the competition in her favor. Every one else had to perform works from a certain repertoire list -- except her. She showed up and played different music and apparently her parents had made a deal with the university that hosted the competition and the judges because she "needed to win" this competition in order to get into a conservatory and the rest of us were just little Asian kids who wanted to go to medical school, so you know . . .

What I remember was her entitlement, even after the scheme was uncovered -- like of course this prize should have been given to her and not to us poor kids who actually practiced. I remember being really bitter that I had given up so much. I didn't go on vacation with my family at Christmas but stayed home to practice. I didn't go to the prom because I wanted to stay home and practice. And this entitled girl didn't miss out on a single activity, not a prom or a vacation.

I got over it, but always assumed it was a bug, not a feature of American life. Kind of sad to realize that indeed the deck has always been stacked against us hard working Joes and that there is an entire group of people who believe that the rules don't apply to them, because they don't.

That's really unfortunate. I remember being a senior at a local nova high school and a friend of mine who was white was pissed and made it known that this asian guy got into the IVY and she was waitlisted. They both had the same grades, but she chose a very general path (bio) and he chose some astrophysics path. Her entitlement really bothered me.

The deck is pretty much stacked against all of us (no matter which ethnicity) who work, stive, and compete against one another in a supposed "meritocracy." Maybe even be inspired to unnecessarily disliked each other because one of us has to "lose."

And then in comes the people with the money, and they bribe or donate their way to the top. Too bad little people, you should be happy with the crumbs you have to fight each other for.

I guess you could look at it that way, but not going to an IVY is not the end of the world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Olivia Jade, Lori Loughlin's daughter, is just the gift that keeps on giving. Here she explaining how her mother MADE her attend college. Starts at 2:25. THIS WAS THREE DAYS AGO!!!!

Lori definitely had no idea what was coming down the pipe.

she's going to have a prison baby with one of the guards.

It will make for good reality TV. They will still end up on their feet.

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Anonymous wrote:Why they need to bribe? Why not just donate like everyone else does?

Well in the penn situation, it’s a function of price.

It costs about 2-4 million in giving if you want your kid in at Penn.

But bribing a coach to put a recruit tag on you can be had as low as 75-100k.

Coaches in the Ivy League are poorly paid so are ripe targets for bribes.

Good point. You don't see any SEC football coaches doing this (The money goes the other way).

This scam could never have worked at serious football school. In the indictment one of the parents even points out that this is not going to work at Notre Dame or any school where people follow recruits intensely.

Precisely. They went for low-profile sports at schools that don't excel in those sports. Hence, USC crew.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a list of all of the colleges involved?

Harvard, Yale, Stanford, University of Southern California, UCLA, and Georgetown

No Harvard fool

Harvard is certainly part of the list.

Apparently they keep super-qualified Asian Americans out so they have a few spots for the dumb kids of Hollywood celebs.

Harvard is not listed in this indictment. You can accuse them all you like, but, as of now, they have not been named in this scandal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This conversation is taking me back. I spent most of my junior year in high school practicing for a local (major metropolitan area) music competition which I didn't win. I was a finalist, but the girl that won had parents who had literally rigged the competition in her favor. Every one else had to perform works from a certain repertoire list -- except her. She showed up and played different music and apparently her parents had made a deal with the university that hosted the competition and the judges because she "needed to win" this competition in order to get into a conservatory and the rest of us were just little Asian kids who wanted to go to medical school, so you know . . .

What I remember was her entitlement, even after the scheme was uncovered -- like of course this prize should have been given to her and not to us poor kids who actually practiced. I remember being really bitter that I had given up so much. I didn't go on vacation with my family at Christmas but stayed home to practice. I didn't go to the prom because I wanted to stay home and practice. And this entitled girl didn't miss out on a single activity, not a prom or a vacation.

I got over it, but always assumed it was a bug, not a feature of American life. Kind of sad to realize that indeed the deck has always been stacked against us hard working Joes and that there is an entire group of people who believe that the rules don't apply to them, because they don't.

That's really unfortunate. I remember being a senior at a local nova high school and a friend of mine who was white was pissed and made it known that this asian guy got into the IVY and she was waitlisted. They both had the same grades, but she chose a very general path (bio) and he chose some astrophysics path. Her entitlement really bothered me.

The deck is pretty much stacked against all of us (no matter which ethnicity) who work, stive, and compete against one another in a supposed "meritocracy." Maybe even be inspired to unnecessarily disliked each other because one of us has to "lose."

And then in comes the people with the money, and they bribe or donate their way to the top. Too bad little people, you should be happy with the crumbs you have to fight each other for.

That's capitalism for you. Cash is king, 'meritocracy' be damned.
I'm surprised anyone in this country is still buying the meritocracy propaganda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I sort of feel bad for the kids - in some cases they probably didn't even know this was happening, and now they are screwed.

Nah. There's no way they didn't know, even if no one told them about the bribes directly. They know what their real SAT scores are (or that they didn't take the test at all) and they know that they weren't really recruited athletes. These kids aren't that stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

X1,000,000. I'm not black but I fully acknowledge that the deck is completely stacked in favor of rich, white families, including the cheating.

The people that are pissed are the Test Prepper that have spent their whole lives as strivers to find out while they were cheating the system with tutors and test prep they were out played.

Sounds like you’re pissed because you can’t afford a private tutor for your child.

Has probably been banned from his local library for not returning too many books and other misbehavior.

Because everybody has a library close to home or a bus to get there.... keep showing your privilege. It amazes me that you think every town has a library.

Great point.

Affirmative action should help rural folk, not those urban dwellers with access to metro and libraries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Olivia Jade, Lori Loughlin's daughter, is just the gift that keeps on giving. Here she explaining how her mother MADE her attend college. Starts at 2:25. THIS WAS THREE DAYS AGO!!!!

Lori definitely had no idea what was coming down the pipe.

Lori Loughlin deserves everything she gets just for raising this entitled, spoiled BRAT and pushing her out in to society.

+1 gazillion.
This is the first time I've seen this girl, but boy, if my daughter grew up like that, I'd jump out of the window.

why do california kids speak like this? california is such a messed up place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I sort of feel bad for the kids - in some cases they probably didn't even know this was happening, and now they are screwed.

Nah. There's no way they didn't know, even if no one told them about the bribes directly. They know what their real SAT scores are (or that they didn't take the test at all) and they know that they weren't really recruited athletes. These kids aren't that stupid.

Even that one who was instructed to 'act stupid' to get test accomodations. Please. Of course, they all knew!