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SFFA doesn't like the Asian American %
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Anonymous
And race is not supposed to be considered by the schools after SFFA. Racial balancing is expressly prohibited so over-represented and under-represented are not the issue. The applicant can still talk about race and that discussions can be considered but in theory it should not matter what race the applicant is. |
Anonymous
PP. I agree, there should be a similar number of white and asian students at most of these schools except at the MOST selective schools because at the 1550+ level asians outnumber whites by 2::1 |
Anonymous
Here's the thing, my side is the ONLY side that has provided any studies or data. All you have to contribute is outrage and butthurt. The high scoring black students barely exist. The high scoring hispanics are not much more common. So there simply aren't a lot of them, most of the blacks and hispanics in these colleges have significantly lower test scores. https://i0.wp.com/www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ccf_20170201_reeves_2.png?w=768&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2C9999px&ssl=1 So why don't you provide some data to back up the claim that there are plenty of non-asian kids getting rejected from T20 colleges. I would be particularly interested in seeing evidence that there are plenty of high scoring black and hispanic kids getting rejected from T-20 schools. |
Anonymous
Solution: make college admissions solely based on standardized testing - and nothing else. Not. |
Anonymous
That's pretty much what the rest of the world does. If you want to throw in other things you can, but none of those things can be race. You can discuss race but race cannot be a plus or minus. You cannot try to achieve diversity with racial preferences or any artifice or proxy for racial preferences. |
Anonymous
Why are so few black students taking the SAT. Seems very troubling. |
Anonymous
Not sure where you are getting the 1500+ numbers as I don't see them in the linked document, but I'm looking in my phone so I guess I'll assume they are correct for purposes of this conversation. This is one data point. We know nothing about these candidates other than score. But even assuming that every student with a 1500+ on the SAT is a great candidate for all T10 colleges, you can see there are not enough seats for all of them, right? And at any given school (and many if them only have @2000 or fewer spots available in each cycle) there is nothing close to room to admit every student with a 1500+. So they need to distinguish among these candidates. For black and Hispanic candidates (and Native and Pacific Islanders), the process of differentiation is easier because they are significantly more likely to have a background distinct from the majority of applicants with a 1500+. Less likely to have attended the same schools, more likely to live in a different part of the country, and likely to have cultural touchstones and experiences different from the majority of 1500+ candidates. For Asian and white candidates this is harder because there are more if them. These candidates, in both race categories, are MUCH more likely to have similar backgrounds, the same high schools, and be from the same part of the country as one another. It is harder for these candidates to distinguish themselves. Further, because Asian candidates with 1500+ are more likely even than white candidates to be from the same communities as one another, they are at a significant disadvantage in the process of becoming one of the 2000 people admitted to one of these colleges. Asian HS students are concentrated in the US to a handful of areas and because of immigration patterns it is common for there to be large communities of kids with remarkably similar backgrounds and stories. White students are more likely than Asian applicants to come from rural places or from states that send tiny percentages of students to T10 schools. While white students from the same areas and high schools where Asian students are scoring 1500+ are more likely than other white students to score 1500+, white students are *more likely* than Asian students to be from diverse geographic and economic backgrounds. And this is why schools are not 47% Asian, 45% white, and 3% black and Hispanic. Because these schools are not just looking at this one metric. |
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Disagree. If we are all honest about it, blacks face discrimination in situations most people never think about. They can’t get housing, doctors treat them unfairly, designer viruses target their dna, Ai and big tech imbed in facial recognition code that they are animals. Racist stuff like that. For those reasons, I’m not opposed to making sure they have access to higher education especially in major fields where grads serve the general public like law, medicine, banking. |
Anonymous
Sure. IFF they take from their own AA percent and also displace from the white percent that are so evil according to you for doing these to them, then sure. The share that Asians Hispanic, and Indigenous American citizens rightfully earn based on test scores and GPA should be left untouched, however. |
Anonymous
they will be soon enough. when there are just 1k black students making over 1500+, there is no way they should or will comprise 10% of the top 15 privates |
Anonymous
imagine if they do a forced testimony post lawsuit and send a random sample of 100 applicants race blind to these admissions officers and see the results. would not shock me if it ends up being 98% white and asian. that is reality. deal with it. no more hand outs |
Anonymous
Why shouldn't race be a plus?? The US is not the world, and the US aside from south Africa had a very unique oppressive racial system within living memory. The fact that Asians can even emigrate to the US is because of the black civil rights movement that got rid of quotas that made it close to impossible for asians and other non-whites to come to the USA. |
Anonymous
And the rest of the world does give boost to underrepresented groups, including this underground country called CHINA |
Anonymous
And India, via an explicit quota-based affirmative action program for both school spots and jobs. |