SFFA doesn't like the Asian American %

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Why can’t they accept that maybe they aren’t the best applicants…

I dunno, something about being the best students all throughout school kinda makes that difficult

Thinking you are something isn’t the same thing as being that something.

The only one who decides what makes the best applicants for a particular college is that college. They aren’t all looking for the same thing. And they certainly don’t want 2000 carbon copies of the same thing.

You have a weird mindset.
Every individual is unique.

Yes. And race is one aspect of an individual. And it can be considered wrt to that individual.

“Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise”

Asians probably got most affected by their race with all sorts of barriers, obstacles, and discrimination.

Maybe they should write about it in their essay.

Asian culture is not to make excuses and blame others, but they'll probably start doing that adopting to the American culture.

Well American universities reflect American culture and values. If AAPI kids in the US would prefer an Asian cultural experience in college they are welcome to apply to universities in Asia which will not care at all about their experiences with racism or how coaching Little League taught them empathy or whatever.

I wonder why more students don't just do this if they prefer a purely objective application process.

Because Asians in America are American you fkin moron. Most likely speak English better than you and most definitely do schooling better than you (and most don't speak a foreign language to any proficiency to go to school in a foreign country). Fkin racist. Culture is not nationality and Asian Americans do not hold allegiance to foreign states.

PP be sure to tell the other POC where to go back to school to enjoy their "culture." Like the country of "Central America," the country of the "Middle East," and the country of "Africa," right???

Asian American students are doing just fine. In California. The full pay Asian foreigners are the ones going to the Ivies and such. That's why they loooooove the standardized tests: it's part of the country wide testing culture.

Stop being racist. Asian Americans in California are not doing fine. By whose metric? Some are going to highly selective schools. There are a large number of Asian Americans in California being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their test scores are somehow not good enough, yet much higher than other kids who got in through "holistic" measures.

There are also a lot of not-Asian kids being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their very high test scores are not what those universities want.

Not really.
There are almost no black students with 1500+ test scores and high GPAs that aren't getting into T20, probably T10
There are almost no hispanic students with 1550+ test scores and high GPAs that aren't getting into T20
There are a ton of asians students with 1550+ test scores and good grades that are not getting into T20
There are a ton of white students with 1550+ test scores and good grades that are not getting into T20

Once you comprehend the difference between underrepresented and overrepresented, you will get your "eureka!" moment.

You don't get college admissions at elite colleges and never will.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Why can’t they accept that maybe they aren’t the best applicants…

I dunno, something about being the best students all throughout school kinda makes that difficult

Thinking you are something isn’t the same thing as being that something.

The only one who decides what makes the best applicants for a particular college is that college. They aren’t all looking for the same thing. And they certainly don’t want 2000 carbon copies of the same thing.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

You have a weird mindset.
Every individual is unique.

Yes. And race is one aspect of an individual. And it can be considered wrt to that individual.

“Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise”

Asians probably got most affected by their race with all sorts of barriers, obstacles, and discrimination.

Maybe they should write about it in their essay.

Asian culture is not to make excuses and blame others, but they'll probably start doing that adopting to the American culture.

Well American universities reflect American culture and values. If AAPI kids in the US would prefer an Asian cultural experience in college they are welcome to apply to universities in Asia which will not care at all about their experiences with racism or how coaching Little League taught them empathy or whatever.

I wonder why more students don't just do this if they prefer a purely objective application process.

Because Asians in America are American you fkin moron. Most likely speak English better than you and most definitely do schooling better than you (and most don't speak a foreign language to any proficiency to go to school in a foreign country). Fkin racist. Culture is not nationality and Asian Americans do not hold allegiance to foreign states.

PP be sure to tell the other POC where to go back to school to enjoy their "culture." Like the country of "Central America," the country of the "Middle East," and the country of "Africa," right???

Asian American students are doing just fine. In California. The full pay Asian foreigners are the ones going to the Ivies and such. That's why they loooooove the standardized tests: it's part of the country wide testing culture.

Stop being racist. Asian Americans in California are not doing fine. By whose metric? Some are going to highly selective schools. There are a large number of Asian Americans in California being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their test scores are somehow not good enough, yet much higher than other kids who got in through "holistic" measures.

There are also a lot of not-Asian kids being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their very high test scores are not what those universities want.

Not nearly in the same number of kids at all: Look at the percentiles of kids scoring 99% for each group and what score that aligns to. And if you're white, you don't have to pass a litmus test.

Ok. Link?

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Why can’t they accept that maybe they aren’t the best applicants…

I dunno, something about being the best students all throughout school kinda makes that difficult

Thinking you are something isn’t the same thing as being that something.

The only one who decides what makes the best applicants for a particular college is that college. They aren’t all looking for the same thing. And they certainly don’t want 2000 carbon copies of the same thing.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

You have a weird mindset.
Every individual is unique.

Yes. And race is one aspect of an individual. And it can be considered wrt to that individual.

“Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise”

Asians probably got most affected by their race with all sorts of barriers, obstacles, and discrimination.

Maybe they should write about it in their essay.

Asian culture is not to make excuses and blame others, but they'll probably start doing that adopting to the American culture.

Well American universities reflect American culture and values. If AAPI kids in the US would prefer an Asian cultural experience in college they are welcome to apply to universities in Asia which will not care at all about their experiences with racism or how coaching Little League taught them empathy or whatever.

I wonder why more students don't just do this if they prefer a purely objective application process.

Because Asians in America are American you fkin moron. Most likely speak English better than you and most definitely do schooling better than you (and most don't speak a foreign language to any proficiency to go to school in a foreign country). Fkin racist. Culture is not nationality and Asian Americans do not hold allegiance to foreign states.

PP be sure to tell the other POC where to go back to school to enjoy their "culture." Like the country of "Central America," the country of the "Middle East," and the country of "Africa," right???

Asian American students are doing just fine. In California. The full pay Asian foreigners are the ones going to the Ivies and such. That's why they loooooove the standardized tests: it's part of the country wide testing culture.

Stop being racist. Asian Americans in California are not doing fine. By whose metric? Some are going to highly selective schools. There are a large number of Asian Americans in California being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their test scores are somehow not good enough, yet much higher than other kids who got in through "holistic" measures.

There are also a lot of not-Asian kids being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their very high test scores are not what those universities want.

Not nearly in the same number of kids at all: Look at the percentiles of kids scoring 99% for each group and what score that aligns to. And if you're white, you don't have to pass a litmus test.

Ok. Link?

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

That’s just the percentiles. There are about four times as many white students as Asian students taking the SAT, so even though the white distribution is lower, there are similar numbers of high-scoring whites and Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Why can’t they accept that maybe they aren’t the best applicants…

I dunno, something about being the best students all throughout school kinda makes that difficult

Thinking you are something isn’t the same thing as being that something.

The only one who decides what makes the best applicants for a particular college is that college. They aren’t all looking for the same thing. And they certainly don’t want 2000 carbon copies of the same thing.

You have a weird mindset.
Every individual is unique.

Yes. And race is one aspect of an individual. And it can be considered wrt to that individual.

“Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise”

Asians probably got most affected by their race with all sorts of barriers, obstacles, and discrimination.

Maybe they should write about it in their essay.

Asian culture is not to make excuses and blame others, but they'll probably start doing that adopting to the American culture.

Well American universities reflect American culture and values. If AAPI kids in the US would prefer an Asian cultural experience in college they are welcome to apply to universities in Asia which will not care at all about their experiences with racism or how coaching Little League taught them empathy or whatever.

I wonder why more students don't just do this if they prefer a purely objective application process.

Again are fine with holistic admissions and American culture.
That's why they excel in leadership, ECs, interviews, etc.
Just that they'll start writing more about "how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise" in essays as they have plenty of stuff to write about in that department.

Then what is the problem?

Racial discrimination.

Which there is no evidence of.

That's what discovery is for.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Why can’t they accept that maybe they aren’t the best applicants…

I know you have trouble comprehending this, but actually we are not all the same

+1 There is so much Asian bashing on this forum. I hope it's just a few ignorant losers, but I suspect it's more than that.

Some Blacks are bitter because they see immigrant group after immigrant group leapfrog their community to prosperity and now they are losing racial preferences too.

Some Whites are bitter because they're losing their privilege with access to exclusive places and high paying jobs and now people cross the street when they see a bunch of young white men hanging out on the sidewalk.

Hispanics are just angling for the fastest climb up that ladder, they know they are going to get there but they'd like to see it for their children rather than their grandchildren or great grand children. They are on a typical generational immigrant pathway to the american dream.

Asians are just tired of being used as the pressure valve for the costs of progressive social policies to remedy injustices they had no hand in creating

This forum lets you say what ever about black people and nothing at all about Asian people…

Say what you want as long as it's true.

We still think there’s something wrong with the kids rather than recognizing their something wrong with the tests,"

"Standardized tests have become the most effective racist weapon ever devised to objectively degrade Black and Brown minds and legally exclude their bodies from prestigious schools."

There's nothing wrong with the tests.
There's nothing wrong with you.
Study harder.
Earn it.
Don't rely on the guilt and pity of white people to get you something you didn't earn.

The data says differently, but of course you are entitled to your opinion.

No, it doesn't.

The data says that the tests are excellent measures of not only college performance but all sorts of outcomes.
The research on this is so well accepted that it is at least as well established as global warming.

Anyone telling you different is trying to push an agenda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv_Cr1a6rj4

Data also shows that the test are biased. That is one of the reasons colleges don't want only high GPA, high SAT kids. Some have figured out how to follow the law and maintain diversity. It won't take long for the others to get back to the class they want. Sorry if this reality hurts your feelings.

Please check your agenda. The low quality Ted talk from 10 years ago is not very convincing. There is more current data that indicates standardized testing is flawed.

Hm.. then why are universities like MIT, Stanford reinstituting test required? Do they not "read the data"?

It’s a data point.

It’s just not the only one.

It's based on research

https://opportunityinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SAT_ACT_on_Grades.pdf

Academic performance itself is just one data point.

It’s not the only one.

It's probably the most important one.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Why can’t they accept that maybe they aren’t the best applicants…

I dunno, something about being the best students all throughout school kinda makes that difficult

Thinking you are something isn’t the same thing as being that something.

The only one who decides what makes the best applicants for a particular college is that college. They aren’t all looking for the same thing. And they certainly don’t want 2000 carbon copies of the same thing.

You have a weird mindset.
Every individual is unique.

Yes. And race is one aspect of an individual. And it can be considered wrt to that individual.

“Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise”

Asians probably got most affected by their race with all sorts of barriers, obstacles, and discrimination.

Maybe they should write about it in their essay.

Asian culture is not to make excuses and blame others, but they'll probably start doing that adopting to the American culture.

Well American universities reflect American culture and values. If AAPI kids in the US would prefer an Asian cultural experience in college they are welcome to apply to universities in Asia which will not care at all about their experiences with racism or how coaching Little League taught them empathy or whatever.

I wonder why more students don't just do this if they prefer a purely objective application process.

Because Asians in America are American you fkin moron. Most likely speak English better than you and most definitely do schooling better than you (and most don't speak a foreign language to any proficiency to go to school in a foreign country). Fkin racist. Culture is not nationality and Asian Americans do not hold allegiance to foreign states.

PP be sure to tell the other POC where to go back to school to enjoy their "culture." Like the country of "Central America," the country of the "Middle East," and the country of "Africa," right???

Asian American students are doing just fine. In California. The full pay Asian foreigners are the ones going to the Ivies and such. That's why they loooooove the standardized tests: it's part of the country wide testing culture.

Stop being racist. Asian Americans in California are not doing fine. By whose metric? Some are going to highly selective schools. There are a large number of Asian Americans in California being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their test scores are somehow not good enough, yet much higher than other kids who got in through "holistic" measures.

There are also a lot of not-Asian kids being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their very high test scores are not what those universities want.

Not really.
There are almost no black students with 1500+ test scores and high GPAs that aren't getting into T20, probably T10
There are almost no hispanic students with 1550+ test scores and high GPAs that aren't getting into T20
There are a ton of asians students with 1550+ test scores and good grades that are not getting into T20
There are a ton of white students with 1550+ test scores and good grades that are not getting into T20

Can you back up your claims? Show us the data. I’m not going to hold my breath because you can’t. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Why can’t they accept that maybe they aren’t the best applicants…

I dunno, something about being the best students all throughout school kinda makes that difficult

Thinking you are something isn’t the same thing as being that something.

The only one who decides what makes the best applicants for a particular college is that college. They aren’t all looking for the same thing. And they certainly don’t want 2000 carbon copies of the same thing.

You have a weird mindset.
Every individual is unique.

Yes. And race is one aspect of an individual. And it can be considered wrt to that individual.

“Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise”

Asians probably got most affected by their race with all sorts of barriers, obstacles, and discrimination.

Maybe they should write about it in their essay.

Asian culture is not to make excuses and blame others, but they'll probably start doing that adopting to the American culture.

Yes, people who have been in the US longer have a better understanding of culture/history.

https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/press-release/federal-appeals-court-upholds-constitutionality-thomas-jefferson-high-school
Sookyung Oh, Director of Hamkae Center:
“Every parent wants to know their child will not be disadvantaged in our public education system. The decision today makes sure that students from communities of color, including Asian Americans, will not be disadvantaged by an unfair admissions process and will have the same equal access only previously afforded to those with the wealth and privilege to get their children into schools like TJ.”

Akil Vohra, Executive Director of Asian American LEAD:
“We applaud the Fourth Circuit Court’s decision today to affirm the right for all students to have access to quality education in schools like TJ. We need our children to see that the door to educational opportunity is open, for each of them.”

Niyati Shah, Director of Litigation for Asian Americans Advancing Justice - AAJC:
“When underrepresented communities of color have more access to educational opportunities, it benefits everyone, including Asian American and white students. In fact, as the Fourth Circuit found today, the policies adopted by FCPS result in Asian American students having ‘greater success in securing admission to TJ under the policy than students from any other racial or ethnic group.’ The makeup of TJ will now reflect the rich diversity of Fairfax County, including its under-served Asian American community, and draw in a student body from more than a select, socio-economically privileged set of middle schools."

Arthur Luk, Partner at Arnold & Porter:
“Today’s decision recognizes that TJHSST’s race-neutral admissions policy is constitutional and was not adopted with any discriminatory intent. We continue to support efforts to increase access to TJHSST for all students, including those from historically underrepresented communities and low-income levels.”

What is this supposed to prove? That some asians are cool with anti-asian discrimination because they have adopted white guilt?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Why can’t they accept that maybe they aren’t the best applicants…

I dunno, something about being the best students all throughout school kinda makes that difficult

Thinking you are something isn’t the same thing as being that something.

The only one who decides what makes the best applicants for a particular college is that college. They aren’t all looking for the same thing. And they certainly don’t want 2000 carbon copies of the same thing.

You have a weird mindset.
Every individual is unique.

Well, that's the thing, they think all asians are the same.

Fungible humans.

The vast majority of kids coming out of affluent, suburban HSs - regardless of race - are fungible.

Colleges don’t want to fill their classes with thousands of kids with the same experiences.

That's so not true and again racist. The vast majority of Asian students are first or second gen who also live in a hostile anti-Asian environment thanks to people like you. Even the third gen have grandparents that are immigrants. Surely these kids all don't share the same experience as wonder bread kids since most Asian countries and cultures developed from 1000s of years ago (i.e., older than Europe) and not premanufactured. Asians have this dual advantage that white people don't consider when they're arguing for the one-dimensionality of Asians, who they also seem to think are just like them when convenient.

When you call everyone racist it starts to lose its meaning.

The vast majority of the kids in our affluent, suburban HSs really aren’t that unique. There are only so many classes, activities, sports, etc.

I'm only calling provincial people like you racist. You're dumb, too. People have a life outside of school. Yeah, really.

Now, I'll wait a few seconds for you to stretch your fingers so you can do some arithmetic. In fact nearly 2/3 of every day and all weekend might actually be out-of-school time. An Asian kid goes home to Asian parents who often have family rules defined by the Asian culture they grew up in (each culture from the continent of Asia is different) and they often eat Asian food. Not everyone is blessed enough to be able to get their cultural experiences from Panda Express and Taco Bell.

I guess you’ve run out of arguments when you start to ramp up the name calling and totally random ad hominems.

Do you have kids at an affluent, suburban HS? The kids who have been attending k-12 together all have similar experiences.

Some do travel sports, some do CTY, some get CS internships, some play an instrument, some do robotics, some win science fairs, some volunteer, etc. I know kids of all backgrounds who do all of these things. And, if you take a step back, you can see that they all are working off the same checklist for college admissions.

The exceptions are few and far between. With so many high-performing kids with similar resumes it’s tough to differentiate. That’s why admissions at top schools seems like a lottery these days. Thousands of kids across the US all look pretty similar.

Your argument seems, since you're white, that most white kids go to these privileged schools. However, I can surely tell you that is not the experience of many Asian kids. Your holistic approach argument seems to favor URM with their experiential essays but somehow not Asians that have faced similar struggles from living in a society that has so many of your type? Asian parents had to live through exclusive policies and things like the LA riots and learn how to smile. Asian kids applying to college now have had to live through the anti-Asian hate during COVID and the pervasive anti-Asian sentiment from college administrators whose numbers seem to include everyone but Asians. You want these kids to smile as well?

Rooftop Korean here.

We were not smiling during the LA riots. We saw cops drive past out stores as they were getting looted and burned. This is why you see so many Korean republicans in southern California.

We realized we weren't even seen as junior partners in the rainbow coalition, we were expected to be silent partners.

So we started running for office without having to pander to the Democrat machine. And frankly Republicans in California are so fkn happy to have us that they let us do wtf we want.

We were part of the movement that banned affirmative action in California and defeated 2 attempts to bring it back.

Now there are a bunch of Chinese brothers and sisters that don't expect to be treated like second class citizens just because they are immigrants and they recalled the San Francisco school board to get rid of the anti-Asian racists there. And they got their schools back. You guys in Virginia can take a lesson from us and from the Asians in NYC that successfully defended meritocracy at Stuyvesant. You guys are the weak link. We're in California, our votes barely matter. Stuyvesant is in NYC their votes barely matter. You guys are in a purple state and they would piss their pants if you got organized, get your act together, handle your sh*t

And for all the white people that think they get to divide up the pie how they like without any regard for who earned the biggest piece. Pay your own debts.

If you want to make up for 250 years of raping black women, selling their babies and hanging their sons, do it with your kids' futures. We never owned slaves, we never lynched black boys for whistling at white women. That was YOU and if you want to pay for it, then YOU should pay for it. Don't use your power to take from us to pay them back with a few fancy degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Why can’t they accept that maybe they aren’t the best applicants…

I dunno, something about being the best students all throughout school kinda makes that difficult

Thinking you are something isn’t the same thing as being that something.

The only one who decides what makes the best applicants for a particular college is that college. They aren’t all looking for the same thing. And they certainly don’t want 2000 carbon copies of the same thing.

You have a weird mindset.
Every individual is unique.

Yes. And race is one aspect of an individual. And it can be considered wrt to that individual.

“Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise”

Asians probably got most affected by their race with all sorts of barriers, obstacles, and discrimination.

Maybe they should write about it in their essay.

Asian culture is not to make excuses and blame others, but they'll probably start doing that adopting to the American culture.

Well American universities reflect American culture and values. If AAPI kids in the US would prefer an Asian cultural experience in college they are welcome to apply to universities in Asia which will not care at all about their experiences with racism or how coaching Little League taught them empathy or whatever.

I wonder why more students don't just do this if they prefer a purely objective application process.

Because Asians in America are American you fkin moron. Most likely speak English better than you and most definitely do schooling better than you (and most don't speak a foreign language to any proficiency to go to school in a foreign country). Fkin racist. Culture is not nationality and Asian Americans do not hold allegiance to foreign states.

PP be sure to tell the other POC where to go back to school to enjoy their "culture." Like the country of "Central America," the country of the "Middle East," and the country of "Africa," right???

Asian American students are doing just fine. In California. The full pay Asian foreigners are the ones going to the Ivies and such. That's why they loooooove the standardized tests: it's part of the country wide testing culture.

Stop being racist. Asian Americans in California are not doing fine. By whose metric? Some are going to highly selective schools. There are a large number of Asian Americans in California being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their test scores are somehow not good enough, yet much higher than other kids who got in through "holistic" measures.

There are also a lot of not-Asian kids being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their very high test scores are not what those universities want.

+1. "Being denied access to T10 and T20 universities" is the experience of 99.9% of high school grads.

What PP doesn't get us that literally no one deserves entry to these schools. Even the people who get entry. It's not an entitlement. Anyone who wants a college education in the US can get one. But no one is owed entry to Yale or Princeton or Duke.

By the way, the correct way to deal with getting rejected by Ivies when you think you were qualified is to just go to the best school you DO get into and kick a$$. Should be easy, right, for these kids who are supposedly the most qualified and talented students in the country? And the nice thing about the US is that you can go to a state university or a lesser known college and if you're great then you can still be very successful.

If you don't like how Ivies select classes then just go elsewhere and then do well in life and maybe you'll sway people to believe your alma mater is the best. Honestly you already see this to some degree in certain majors or graduate programs.

If your goal is to force Harvard to admit all the top scoring Asian kids, that won't happen. They don't have to and don't want to.

No thank you. Before the litigation the asian population stood at 18-20% for decades despite large increases in asian populations and the new asians were richer and better educated than the old asians.
By the time the Supreme Court issued its opinion, that number had doubled.
I suspect a lot of the discrimination had already been removed from the system by the time the opinion was issued but we should keep suing them to get their admissions information and keep them honest.

We should do this at pretty much every school that is suppressing asian admissions. Just keep suing a handful of them them every year until they start obeying the law.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Why can’t they accept that maybe they aren’t the best applicants…

I dunno, something about being the best students all throughout school kinda makes that difficult

Thinking you are something isn’t the same thing as being that something.

The only one who decides what makes the best applicants for a particular college is that college. They aren’t all looking for the same thing. And they certainly don’t want 2000 carbon copies of the same thing.

You have a weird mindset.
Every individual is unique.

Yes. And race is one aspect of an individual. And it can be considered wrt to that individual.

“Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise”

Asians probably got most affected by their race with all sorts of barriers, obstacles, and discrimination.

Maybe they should write about it in their essay.

Asian culture is not to make excuses and blame others, but they'll probably start doing that adopting to the American culture.

Well American universities reflect American culture and values. If AAPI kids in the US would prefer an Asian cultural experience in college they are welcome to apply to universities in Asia which will not care at all about their experiences with racism or how coaching Little League taught them empathy or whatever.

I wonder why more students don't just do this if they prefer a purely objective application process.

Again are fine with holistic admissions and American culture.
That's why they excel in leadership, ECs, interviews, etc.
Just that they'll start writing more about "how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise" in essays as they have plenty of stuff to write about in that department.

Then what is the problem?

Racial discrimination.

Which there is no evidence of.

The US Supreme Court found evidences hence banned it.

We are talking about the latest admissions year. There is no evidence of discrimination.

There is as much evidence now as there was at the beginning of the harvard suit. That is what discovery is for.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Why can’t they accept that maybe they aren’t the best applicants…

I dunno, something about being the best students all throughout school kinda makes that difficult

Thinking you are something isn’t the same thing as being that something.

The only one who decides what makes the best applicants for a particular college is that college. They aren’t all looking for the same thing. And they certainly don’t want 2000 carbon copies of the same thing.

You have a weird mindset.
Every individual is unique.

Yes. And race is one aspect of an individual. And it can be considered wrt to that individual.

“Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise”

Asians probably got most affected by their race with all sorts of barriers, obstacles, and discrimination.

Maybe they should write about it in their essay.

Asian culture is not to make excuses and blame others, but they'll probably start doing that adopting to the American culture.

Well American universities reflect American culture and values. If AAPI kids in the US would prefer an Asian cultural experience in college they are welcome to apply to universities in Asia which will not care at all about their experiences with racism or how coaching Little League taught them empathy or whatever.

I wonder why more students don't just do this if they prefer a purely objective application process.

Because Asians in America are American you fkin moron. Most likely speak English better than you and most definitely do schooling better than you (and most don't speak a foreign language to any proficiency to go to school in a foreign country). Fkin racist. Culture is not nationality and Asian Americans do not hold allegiance to foreign states.

PP be sure to tell the other POC where to go back to school to enjoy their "culture." Like the country of "Central America," the country of the "Middle East," and the country of "Africa," right???

Asian American students are doing just fine. In California. The full pay Asian foreigners are the ones going to the Ivies and such. That's why they loooooove the standardized tests: it's part of the country wide testing culture.

Stop being racist. Asian Americans in California are not doing fine. By whose metric? Some are going to highly selective schools. There are a large number of Asian Americans in California being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their test scores are somehow not good enough, yet much higher than other kids who got in through "holistic" measures.

There are also a lot of not-Asian kids being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their very high test scores are not what those universities want.

+1

Exactly.

The Asian apologist troll needs to stop whining.

Don't worry. The asian percentages will go back in time. The fact that blcak and hispanic percentages did not drop is a red flag. it did at the traditionally meritocratic race blind schools (see Berkeley, UCLA, MIT, Caltech).

There are plenty of brilliant black and hispanic (read: URM) students to add to freshman classes at the top colleges around the country. They'll get accepted at at least half their respective U.S. percentages. Berkeley, UCLA, Caltech are California colleges: two of which are test blind. As a PP stated, the majority of Asian Americans live in California, so that makes perfect sense.

I'm not sure that is true. That population of brilliant students may develop but it does not exist now.
https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Why can’t they accept that maybe they aren’t the best applicants…

I dunno, something about being the best students all throughout school kinda makes that difficult

Thinking you are something isn’t the same thing as being that something.

The only one who decides what makes the best applicants for a particular college is that college. They aren’t all looking for the same thing. And they certainly don’t want 2000 carbon copies of the same thing.

You have a weird mindset.
Every individual is unique.

Yes. And race is one aspect of an individual. And it can be considered wrt to that individual.

“Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise”

Asians probably got most affected by their race with all sorts of barriers, obstacles, and discrimination.

Maybe they should write about it in their essay.

Asian culture is not to make excuses and blame others, but they'll probably start doing that adopting to the American culture.

Well American universities reflect American culture and values. If AAPI kids in the US would prefer an Asian cultural experience in college they are welcome to apply to universities in Asia which will not care at all about their experiences with racism or how coaching Little League taught them empathy or whatever.

I wonder why more students don't just do this if they prefer a purely objective application process.

Because Asians in America are American you fkin moron. Most likely speak English better than you and most definitely do schooling better than you (and most don't speak a foreign language to any proficiency to go to school in a foreign country). Fkin racist. Culture is not nationality and Asian Americans do not hold allegiance to foreign states.

PP be sure to tell the other POC where to go back to school to enjoy their "culture." Like the country of "Central America," the country of the "Middle East," and the country of "Africa," right???

Asian American students are doing just fine. In California. The full pay Asian foreigners are the ones going to the Ivies and such. That's why they loooooove the standardized tests: it's part of the country wide testing culture.

Stop being racist. Asian Americans in California are not doing fine. By whose metric? Some are going to highly selective schools. There are a large number of Asian Americans in California being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their test scores are somehow not good enough, yet much higher than other kids who got in through "holistic" measures.

There are also a lot of not-Asian kids being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their very high test scores are not what those universities want.

+1

Exactly.

The Asian apologist troll needs to stop whining.

Don't worry. The asian percentages will go back in time. The fact that blcak and hispanic percentages did not drop is a red flag. it did at the traditionally meritocratic race blind schools (see Berkeley, UCLA, MIT, Caltech).

There are plenty of brilliant black and hispanic (read: URM) students to add to freshman classes at the top colleges around the country. They'll get accepted at at least half their respective U.S. percentages. Berkeley, UCLA, Caltech are California colleges: two of which are test blind. As a PP stated, the majority of Asian Americans live in California, so that makes perfect sense.

+1

In addition, contrary to the troll's focus on highly selective schools, most Asian Americans go to community college.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-american-low-income-community-college-students-feel-unheard-affi-rcna92058

"While the debate over race-conscious admissions often centers Asian Americans with the means to go to a highly selective, prestigious private university, a higher share of the group goes to community college. In California, for example — the state with the highest population of the racial group — 41% of Asian American freshman in 2020 enrolled at community colleges."

We don't care if ALL asians go to community college, we still aren't cool with racial discrimination against our children

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Why can’t they accept that maybe they aren’t the best applicants…

I dunno, something about being the best students all throughout school kinda makes that difficult

Thinking you are something isn’t the same thing as being that something.

The only one who decides what makes the best applicants for a particular college is that college. They aren’t all looking for the same thing. And they certainly don’t want 2000 carbon copies of the same thing.

You have a weird mindset.
Every individual is unique.

Well, that's the thing, they think all asians are the same.

Fungible humans.

The vast majority of kids coming out of affluent, suburban HSs - regardless of race - are fungible.

Colleges don’t want to fill their classes with thousands of kids with the same experiences.

That's so not true and again racist. The vast majority of Asian students are first or second gen who also live in a hostile anti-Asian environment thanks to people like you. Even the third gen have grandparents that are immigrants. Surely these kids all don't share the same experience as wonder bread kids since most Asian countries and cultures developed from 1000s of years ago (i.e., older than Europe) and not premanufactured. Asians have this dual advantage that white people don't consider when they're arguing for the one-dimensionality of Asians, who they also seem to think are just like them when convenient.

When you call everyone racist it starts to lose its meaning.

The vast majority of the kids in our affluent, suburban HSs really aren’t that unique. There are only so many classes, activities, sports, etc.

I'm only calling provincial people like you racist. You're dumb, too. People have a life outside of school. Yeah, really.

Now, I'll wait a few seconds for you to stretch your fingers so you can do some arithmetic. In fact nearly 2/3 of every day and all weekend might actually be out-of-school time. An Asian kid goes home to Asian parents who often have family rules defined by the Asian culture they grew up in (each culture from the continent of Asia is different) and they often eat Asian food. Not everyone is blessed enough to be able to get their cultural experiences from Panda Express and Taco Bell.

I guess you’ve run out of arguments when you start to ramp up the name calling and totally random ad hominems.

Do you have kids at an affluent, suburban HS? The kids who have been attending k-12 together all have similar experiences.

Some do travel sports, some do CTY, some get CS internships, some play an instrument, some do robotics, some win science fairs, some volunteer, etc. I know kids of all backgrounds who do all of these things. And, if you take a step back, you can see that they all are working off the same checklist for college admissions.

The exceptions are few and far between. With so many high-performing kids with similar resumes it’s tough to differentiate. That’s why admissions at top schools seems like a lottery these days. Thousands of kids across the US all look pretty similar.

Your argument seems, since you're white, that most white kids go to these privileged schools. However, I can surely tell you that is not the experience of many Asian kids. Your holistic approach argument seems to favor URM with their experiential essays but somehow not Asians that have faced similar struggles from living in a society that has so many of your type? Asian parents had to live through exclusive policies and things like the LA riots and learn how to smile. Asian kids applying to college now have had to live through the anti-Asian hate during COVID and the pervasive anti-Asian sentiment from college administrators whose numbers seem to include everyone but Asians. You want these kids to smile as well?

Rooftop Korean here.

We were not smiling during the LA riots. We saw cops drive past out stores as they were getting looted and burned. This is why you see so many Korean republicans in southern California.

We realized we weren't even seen as junior partners in the rainbow coalition, we were expected to be silent partners.

So we started running for office without having to pander to the Democrat machine. And frankly Republicans in California are so fkn happy to have us that they let us do wtf we want.

We were part of the movement that banned affirmative action in California and defeated 2 attempts to bring it back.

Now there are a bunch of Chinese brothers and sisters that don't expect to be treated like second class citizens just because they are immigrants and they recalled the San Francisco school board to get rid of the anti-Asian racists there. And they got their schools back. You guys in Virginia can take a lesson from us and from the Asians in NYC that successfully defended meritocracy at Stuyvesant. You guys are the weak link. We're in California, our votes barely matter. Stuyvesant is in NYC their votes barely matter. You guys are in a purple state and they would piss their pants if you got organized, get your act together, handle your sh*t

And for all the white people that think they get to divide up the pie how they like without any regard for who earned the biggest piece. Pay your own debts.

If you want to make up for 250 years of raping black women, selling their babies and hanging their sons, do it with your kids' futures. We never owned slaves, we never lynched black boys for whistling at white women. That was YOU and if you want to pay for it, then YOU should pay for it. Don't use your power to take from us to pay them back with a few fancy degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this is what people thought would happen…that it would benefit whites the most…yet how many Asians were on this forum celebrating the end of AA.

Asians complain about model minority and them totally believe in it when convenient.

Those darn Asians, believing in transparent policies with fair standards for all

Why can’t they accept that maybe they aren’t the best applicants…

I dunno, something about being the best students all throughout school kinda makes that difficult

Thinking you are something isn’t the same thing as being that something.

The only one who decides what makes the best applicants for a particular college is that college. They aren’t all looking for the same thing. And they certainly don’t want 2000 carbon copies of the same thing.

You have a weird mindset.
Every individual is unique.

Yes. And race is one aspect of an individual. And it can be considered wrt to that individual.

“Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise”

Asians probably got most affected by their race with all sorts of barriers, obstacles, and discrimination.

Maybe they should write about it in their essay.

Asian culture is not to make excuses and blame others, but they'll probably start doing that adopting to the American culture.

Well American universities reflect American culture and values. If AAPI kids in the US would prefer an Asian cultural experience in college they are welcome to apply to universities in Asia which will not care at all about their experiences with racism or how coaching Little League taught them empathy or whatever.

I wonder why more students don't just do this if they prefer a purely objective application process.

Because Asians in America are American you fkin moron. Most likely speak English better than you and most definitely do schooling better than you (and most don't speak a foreign language to any proficiency to go to school in a foreign country). Fkin racist. Culture is not nationality and Asian Americans do not hold allegiance to foreign states.

PP be sure to tell the other POC where to go back to school to enjoy their "culture." Like the country of "Central America," the country of the "Middle East," and the country of "Africa," right???

Asian American students are doing just fine. In California. The full pay Asian foreigners are the ones going to the Ivies and such. That's why they loooooove the standardized tests: it's part of the country wide testing culture.

Stop being racist. Asian Americans in California are not doing fine. By whose metric? Some are going to highly selective schools. There are a large number of Asian Americans in California being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their test scores are somehow not good enough, yet much higher than other kids who got in through "holistic" measures.

There are also a lot of not-Asian kids being denied access to T10 and T20 universities because their very high test scores are not what those universities want.

+1

Exactly.

The Asian apologist troll needs to stop whining.

Don't worry. The asian percentages will go back in time. The fact that blcak and hispanic percentages did not drop is a red flag. it did at the traditionally meritocratic race blind schools (see Berkeley, UCLA, MIT, Caltech).

There are plenty of brilliant black and hispanic (read: URM) students to add to freshman classes at the top colleges around the country. They'll get accepted at at least half their respective U.S. percentages. Berkeley, UCLA, Caltech are California colleges: two of which are test blind. As a PP stated, the majority of Asian Americans live in California, so that makes perfect sense.

+1

In addition, contrary to the troll's focus on highly selective schools, most Asian Americans go to community college.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-american-low-income-community-college-students-feel-unheard-affi-rcna92058

"While the debate over race-conscious admissions often centers Asian Americans with the means to go to a highly selective, prestigious private university, a higher share of the group goes to community college. In California, for example — the state with the highest population of the racial group — 41% of Asian American freshman in 2020 enrolled at community colleges."

We don't care if ALL asians go to community college, we still aren't cool with racial discrimination against our children

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Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2022-total-group-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

Do what you will with this information.