US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.

There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?

Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.

What?

Jews are way way way more obsessed.

you do know Jewish overrepresenatjon rate in t10 schools is way higher than Asians.

And in the 80s and 90s schools like Penn had literally 20x over representation.

40% of Penn was Jewish at one point!

With a 2% population in the country.

Agree it’s both though, many of the Jewish students are legacy admits, esp at Penn, Wash U, etc.

Asians at least trying to get in via fair competition

Look how far rich Whites go
https://www.insider.com/college-admissions-scandal-full-list-people-sentenced-2019-9#parent-homayoun-zadeh-was-sentenced-to-6-weeks-in-prison-33

Is is really fair though? Is extra tutoring, unnecessary summer school, courses, etc. is that an even playing field?

Extra athletic training is also grossly unfair.

Because Asians do not value being athletic, it is "unfair"? Are you going to give the school the miliions it loses from not having good athletes??

Asians do value being athletic.

I believe the Asiasn countries like Chaina, Korea, Japan ranked very hign on the Olympics.

Just look at the last US Olympic figure skating team. Dominated by Asians. Actually dominated by one ethnicity: Chinese.

Japanese>Korean>Chinese>Vietnamese>Other Asians

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Anonymous wrote:Will White UMC families move to Anacostia to take advantage of the zip code? Or, possibly just buy a property there to include it in their kids’ applications?

Ha. We live in a W7 zip and my kid has a name that reads black. I can totally see him being construed as black, especially if he goes to McKinley as planned.

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He can write that he’s black — no one is gonna assay his genome

Just make sure that no one finds out. He may have problems getting his degree like that girl at Penn. Your son will have to watch his back for four years. Fun!

Iirc the Penn girl had issues about stuff you can prove

You can’t prove race since it’s self identified!

They can prove lying - and that will get you thrown out of college, at best - they can also revoke your degree.

You can’t prove lying on something that’s self identified.

How do you assert someone isn’t black when they say they are?

Are you gonna subject someone to a 23andMe?

You don't know how they do it - and I am not going to educate you.

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Anonymous wrote:What if the top colleges accepted kids who were NOT tutored instead of kids who were tutored?

THAT would be interesting!

I support this.

DUMBEST idea ever. So you want underprepared students to run our country some day? Do you want them to design our buildings and infrastructure? My DC benefitted greatly from prep outside of public school. Public school preparation is a joke!

But if you’re receiving and paying for extra supplementation, tutoring outside of school, or basically attending double the amount of school as every one else, is that not an unfair advantage? It doesn’t make you any more intelligent, you’ve simply had more practice.

I bet you are willing and able to pay $$$ for your child to be involved in travel soccer, however. 🤦‍♀️

No, no my child is a horribly uncoordinated nerd, so no.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amusing some people think anything will meaningfully change. It’s not like test scores and gpas will suddenly rule all.

It’s amusing some people think anything will meaningfully change. It’s not like PREPPED test scores and gpas will suddenly rule all.

Fixed that for you.

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Anonymous wrote:What if the top colleges accepted kids who were NOT tutored instead of kids who were tutored?

THAT would be interesting!

I support this.

DUMBEST idea ever. So you want underprepared students to run our country some day? Do you want them to design our buildings and infrastructure? My DC benefitted greatly from prep outside of public school. Public school preparation is a joke!

But if you’re receiving and paying for extra supplementation, tutoring outside of school, or basically attending double the amount of school as every one else, is that not an unfair advantage? It doesn’t make you any more intelligent, you’ve simply had more practice.

I bet you are willing and able to pay $$$ for your child to be involved in travel soccer, however. 🤦‍♀️

No, no my child is a horribly uncoordinated nerd, so no.

Nah, all white people are either legacy or athlete - because they are inferior in the brain - didn't you know??

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.

There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?

Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.

What?

Jews are way way way more obsessed.

you do know Jewish overrepresenatjon rate in t10 schools is way higher than Asians.

And in the 80s and 90s schools like Penn had literally 20x over representation.

40% of Penn was Jewish at one point!

With a 2% population in the country.

Agree it’s both though, many of the Jewish students are legacy admits, esp at Penn, Wash U, etc.

Asians at least trying to get in via fair competition

Look how far rich Whites go
https://www.insider.com/college-admissions-scandal-full-list-people-sentenced-2019-9#parent-homayoun-zadeh-was-sentenced-to-6-weeks-in-prison-33

Is is really fair though? Is extra tutoring, unnecessary summer school, courses, etc. is that an even playing field?

I think essay is the most unfair factor.
People can buy consultants and professional writers. You have no idea who actually wrote it.
For GPA and Tests, at least the kids actually did it.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action is just another form of discrimination. And yes, Asians were definitely discriminated if you know anything about the true history of these great United States.

How were Irish immigrants treated in the late 1800s?
Most stayed in slum tenements near the ports where they arrived and lived in basements and attics with no water, sanitation, or daylight. Many children took to begging, and men often spent what little money they had on alcohol. The Irish immigrants were not well-liked and often treated badly. Employers had signs that read: Irish need not apply.

The Irish refugees seeking haven in America were poor and disease-ridden. They threatened to take jobs away from Americans and strain welfare budgets. They practiced an alien religion and pledged allegiance to a foreign leader. They were bringing with them crime. They were accused of being rapists.

Herded like livestock in dark, cramped quarters, the Irish passengers lacked sufficient food and clean water. They choked on fetid air. They were showered by excrement and vomit. Each adult was apportioned just 18 inches of bed space—children half that. Disease and death clung to the rancid vessels like barnacles, and nearly a quarter of the 85,000 passengers who sailed to North America aboard the aptly nicknamed “coffin ships” in 1847 never reached their destinations. Their bodies were wrapped in cloths, weighed down with stones and tossed overboard to sleep forever on the bed of the ocean floor.

Although most certainly tired and poor, the Irish did not arrive in America yearning to breathe free; they merely hungered to eat. Largely destitute, many exiles could progress no farther than within walking distance of the city docks where they disembarked. While some had spent all of their meager savings to pay for passage across the Atlantic, others had their voyages funded by British landlords who found it a cheaper solution to dispatch their tenants to another continent, rather than pay for their charity at home.

And in the opinion of many Americans, those British landlords were not sending their best people. These people were not like the industrious, Protestant Scotch-Irish immigrants who came to America in large numbers during the colonial era, fought in the Continental Army and tamed the frontier. These people were not only poor, unskilled refugees huddled in rickety tenements. Even worse, they were Catholic.

Although stereotyped as ignorant bogtrotters loyal only to the pope and ill-suited for democracy, and only recently given political rights by the British in their former home after centuries of denial, the Irish were deeply engaged in the political process in their new home. They voted in higher proportions than other ethnic groups. Their sheer numbers helped to propel William R. Grace to become the first Irish-Catholic mayor of New York City in 1880 and Hugh O’Brien the first Irish-Catholic mayor of Boston four years later.

A generation after the Great Hunger, the Irish controlled powerful political machines in cities across the United States and were moving up the social ladder into the middle class as an influx of immigrants from China and Southern and Eastern Europe took hold in the 1880s and 1890s. “Being from the British Isles, the Irish were now considered acceptable and assimilable to the American way of life,” Dolan writes.

Irish were not the only ones mistreated.

Why do people come here and expect to be treated better than they were in their own home country??

Why do people come here and expect to be treated better than just one immigrant generation before??

Get in line.

Agree. All immigrants went through this: Italians, Irish, Germans, Asians and Hispanics more recently. All of the first 4 groups assimilated and thrived. They learned the language, they assimilated, etc.

I truly think the only affirmative action should be for blacks given the unique history of them in our country. I am unclear why any other ethnic group was given special preference as this hasn't happened for other ethnicities at any point and time.

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Guess the aggrieved whites and Asians who will STILL get rejected at Harvard and UNC can't blame URMs anymore.

Great!

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.

There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?

Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.

What?

Jews are way way way more obsessed.

you do know Jewish overrepresenatjon rate in t10 schools is way higher than Asians.

And in the 80s and 90s schools like Penn had literally 20x over representation.

40% of Penn was Jewish at one point!

With a 2% population in the country.

Agree it’s both though, many of the Jewish students are legacy admits, esp at Penn, Wash U, etc.

Asians at least trying to get in via fair competition

Look how far rich Whites go
https://www.insider.com/college-admissions-scandal-full-list-people-sentenced-2019-9#parent-homayoun-zadeh-was-sentenced-to-6-weeks-in-prison-33

Is is really fair though? Is extra tutoring, unnecessary summer school, courses, etc. is that an even playing field?

I think essay is the most unfair factor.
People can buy consultants and professional writers. You have no idea who actually wrote it.
For GPA and Tests, at least the kids actually did it.

And now they can make up fake sh*t about how their race (1/16th-though fail to mention that) impacted them The ones that lied when checking the box (over 1/3 of Applicants) will find another way to be dishonest.

GPA and tests. 100% agree.

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Anonymous wrote:To truly even the playing field, get rid of the legacy programs.

I do not get why people think they have any sort of basis to argue against legacy admissions. Being part of the group who “did not have a parent who went to Harvard” is not a protected class under the Constitution.

That is sad and un-American.

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.

There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?

Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.

Wow, thanks for demonstrating why the Court was right.

100%

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action is just another form of discrimination. And yes, Asians were definitely discriminated if you know anything about the true history of these great United States.

How were Irish immigrants treated in the late 1800s?
Most stayed in slum tenements near the ports where they arrived and lived in basements and attics with no water, sanitation, or daylight. Many children took to begging, and men often spent what little money they had on alcohol. The Irish immigrants were not well-liked and often treated badly. Employers had signs that read: Irish need not apply.

The Irish refugees seeking haven in America were poor and disease-ridden. They threatened to take jobs away from Americans and strain welfare budgets. They practiced an alien religion and pledged allegiance to a foreign leader. They were bringing with them crime. They were accused of being rapists.

Herded like livestock in dark, cramped quarters, the Irish passengers lacked sufficient food and clean water. They choked on fetid air. They were showered by excrement and vomit. Each adult was apportioned just 18 inches of bed space—children half that. Disease and death clung to the rancid vessels like barnacles, and nearly a quarter of the 85,000 passengers who sailed to North America aboard the aptly nicknamed “coffin ships” in 1847 never reached their destinations. Their bodies were wrapped in cloths, weighed down with stones and tossed overboard to sleep forever on the bed of the ocean floor.

Although most certainly tired and poor, the Irish did not arrive in America yearning to breathe free; they merely hungered to eat. Largely destitute, many exiles could progress no farther than within walking distance of the city docks where they disembarked. While some had spent all of their meager savings to pay for passage across the Atlantic, others had their voyages funded by British landlords who found it a cheaper solution to dispatch their tenants to another continent, rather than pay for their charity at home.

And in the opinion of many Americans, those British landlords were not sending their best people. These people were not like the industrious, Protestant Scotch-Irish immigrants who came to America in large numbers during the colonial era, fought in the Continental Army and tamed the frontier. These people were not only poor, unskilled refugees huddled in rickety tenements. Even worse, they were Catholic.

Although stereotyped as ignorant bogtrotters loyal only to the pope and ill-suited for democracy, and only recently given political rights by the British in their former home after centuries of denial, the Irish were deeply engaged in the political process in their new home. They voted in higher proportions than other ethnic groups. Their sheer numbers helped to propel William R. Grace to become the first Irish-Catholic mayor of New York City in 1880 and Hugh O’Brien the first Irish-Catholic mayor of Boston four years later.

A generation after the Great Hunger, the Irish controlled powerful political machines in cities across the United States and were moving up the social ladder into the middle class as an influx of immigrants from China and Southern and Eastern Europe took hold in the 1880s and 1890s. “Being from the British Isles, the Irish were now considered acceptable and assimilable to the American way of life,” Dolan writes.

Irish were not the only ones mistreated.

Why do people come here and expect to be treated better than they were in their own home country??

Why do people come here and expect to be treated better than just one immigrant generation before??

Get in line.

Agree. All immigrants went through this: Italians, Irish, Germans, Asians and Hispanics more recently. All of the first 4 groups assimilated and thrived. They learned the language, they assimilated, etc.

I truly think the only affirmative action should be for blacks given the unique history of them in our country. I am unclear why any other ethnic group was given special preference as this hasn't happened for other ethnicities at any point and time.

+1

I don't understand how people come here, tell us our schools suck, at the same time want to displace all the white people, then want to cut the line. Make up your damn mind and behave like the rest of us do. Stop thinking you are better than us, and stop being so entitled because you think you are better than us.

None of those other groups insulted this country they immigrated to as bad as the current people on this thread.

THings are different here - just like any other country, things are different. You don't tell your new country how to do things. That is not how it works. You think so, but it is not.

When in Rome....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amusing some people think anything will meaningfully change. It’s not like test scores and gpas will suddenly rule all.

It’s amusing some people think anything will meaningfully change. It’s not like PREPPED test scores and gpas will suddenly rule all.

Fixed that for you.

I never understand just picking on test.

You can bump up GPA with tutoring.
You can spend $$$ for fancy ECs, research activity, private coaches
You can hire professional writerse for essays

In fact, again and agan Aisans had higher scores on almost all factors including ECs, leadership, interview, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.

There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?

Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.

What?

Jews are way way way more obsessed.

you do know Jewish overrepresenatjon rate in t10 schools is way higher than Asians.

And in the 80s and 90s schools like Penn had literally 20x over representation.

40% of Penn was Jewish at one point!

With a 2% population in the country.

Agree it’s both though, many of the Jewish students are legacy admits, esp at Penn, Wash U, etc.

Asians at least trying to get in via fair competition

Look how far rich Whites go
https://www.insider.com/college-admissions-scandal-full-list-people-sentenced-2019-9#parent-homayoun-zadeh-was-sentenced-to-6-weeks-in-prison-33

Is is really fair though? Is extra tutoring, unnecessary summer school, courses, etc. is that an even playing field?

I think essay is the most unfair factor.
People can buy consultants and professional writers. You have no idea who actually wrote it.
For GPA and Tests, at least the kids actually did it.

You mean you are not superior? Take a seat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amusing some people think anything will meaningfully change. It’s not like test scores and gpas will suddenly rule all.

It’s amusing some people think anything will meaningfully change. It’s not like PREPPED test scores and gpas will suddenly rule all.

Fixed that for you.

I never understand just picking on test.

You can bump up GPA with tutoring.
You can spend $$$ for fancy ECs, research activity, private coaches
You can hire professional writerse for essays

In fact, again and agan Aisans had higher scores on almost all factors including ECs, leadership, interview, etc.

You know what happened last time in history people thought they were they superior race?