US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:What if the top colleges accepted kids who were NOT tutored instead of kids who were tutored?

THAT would be interesting!

I support this.

DUMBEST idea ever. So you want underprepared students to run our country some day? Do you want them to design our buildings and infrastructure? My DC benefitted greatly from prep outside of public school. Public school preparation is a joke!

But if you’re receiving and paying for extra supplementation, tutoring outside of school, or basically attending double the amount of school as every one else, is that not an unfair advantage? It doesn’t make you any more intelligent, you’ve simply had more practice.

You really think highly qualified well off white applicants aren't doing the same thing, except you call it "enrichment" or "supplementing"?

It's a constant refrain on all the school forums on this board like about MCPS, FCPS. "you should help your kids with XYZ that schools are not doing well"

With Asians it's somehow "prepping."

When your prep company steal the tests, it's actually called CHEATING.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it fair that some kids get extra athletic training and some don’t?

No, it’s not fair. Ideally we want to provide equal education here, if people are paying to receive tutoring to inflate test scores while others are unable to afford any tutoring, that doesn’t make your child better. Your child isn’t necessarily brighter. At that point in time they may have more knowledge about how to ace tests but that’s about it, it doesn’t or shouldn’t predict future success.

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Anonymous wrote: DUMBEST idea ever. So you want underprepared students to run our country some day? Do you want them to design our buildings and infrastructure? My DC benefitted greatly from prep outside of public school. Public school preparation is a joke!

We had 8 years of W Bush and 4 years of Trump, both Ivy Leaguers.

You may want to sit this one out.

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.

There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?

Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.

What?

Jews are way way way more obsessed.

you do know Jewish overrepresenatjon rate in t10 schools is way higher than Asians.

And in the 80s and 90s schools like Penn had literally 20x over representation.

40% of Penn was Jewish at one point!

With a 2% population in the country.

Agree it’s both though, many of the Jewish students are legacy admits, esp at Penn, Wash U, etc.

Asians at least trying to get in via fair competition

Look how far rich Whites go
https://www.insider.com/college-admissions-scandal-full-list-people-sentenced-2019-9#parent-homayoun-zadeh-was-sentenced-to-6-weeks-in-prison-33

Is is really fair though? Is extra tutoring, unnecessary summer school, courses, etc. is that an even playing field?

Extra athletic training is also grossly unfair.

Because Asians do not value being athletic, it is "unfair"? Are you going to give the school the miliions it loses from not having good athletes??

Asians do value being athletic.

I believe the Asiasn countries like Chaina, Korea, Japan ranked very hign on the Olympics.

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Anonymous wrote:Will White UMC families move to Anacostia to take advantage of the zip code? Or, possibly just buy a property there to include it in their kids’ applications?

Ha. We live in a W7 zip and my kid has a name that reads black. I can totally see him being construed as black, especially if he goes to McKinley as planned.

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He can write that he’s black — no one is gonna assay his genome

Just make sure that no one finds out. He may have problems getting his degree like that girl at Penn. Your son will have to watch his back for four years. Fun!

Iirc the Penn girl had issues about stuff you can prove

You can’t prove race since it’s self identified!

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Anonymous wrote:Will White UMC families move to Anacostia to take advantage of the zip code? Or, possibly just buy a property there to include it in their kids’ applications?

Ha. We live in a W7 zip and my kid has a name that reads black. I can totally see him being construed as black, especially if he goes to McKinley as planned.

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He can write that he’s black — no one is gonna assay his genome

I know Asian kids that lie about being involved in a country that they are not - so that is the next target to be demolished in admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.

There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?

Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.

What?

Jews are way way way more obsessed.

you do know Jewish overrepresenatjon rate in t10 schools is way higher than Asians.

And in the 80s and 90s schools like Penn had literally 20x over representation.

40% of Penn was Jewish at one point!

With a 2% population in the country.

Agree it’s both though, many of the Jewish students are legacy admits, esp at Penn, Wash U, etc.

Asians at least trying to get in via fair competition

Look how far rich Whites go
https://www.insider.com/college-admissions-scandal-full-list-people-sentenced-2019-9#parent-homayoun-zadeh-was-sentenced-to-6-weeks-in-prison-33

Is is really fair though? Is extra tutoring, unnecessary summer school, courses, etc. is that an even playing field?

Extra athletic training is also grossly unfair.

Because Asians do not value being athletic, it is "unfair"? Are you going to give the school the miliions it loses from not having good athletes??

Asians do value being athletic.

I believe the Asiasn countries like Chaina, Korea, Japan ranked very hign on the Olympics.

It’s weird pp made a dumb post - the best baseball player in the world right now is Asian!

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Anonymous wrote:Will White UMC families move to Anacostia to take advantage of the zip code? Or, possibly just buy a property there to include it in their kids’ applications?

Ha. We live in a W7 zip and my kid has a name that reads black. I can totally see him being construed as black, especially if he goes to McKinley as planned.

💯

He can write that he’s black — no one is gonna assay his genome

Just make sure that no one finds out. He may have problems getting his degree like that girl at Penn. Your son will have to watch his back for four years. Fun!

Iirc the Penn girl had issues about stuff you can prove

You can’t prove race since it’s self identified!

They can prove lying - and that will get you thrown out of college, at best - they can also revoke your degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To truly even the playing field, get rid of the legacy programs.

I do not get why people think they have any sort of basis to argue against legacy admissions. Being part of the group who “did not have a parent who went to Harvard” is not a protected class under the Constitution.

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.

There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?

Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.

What?

Jews are way way way more obsessed.

you do know Jewish overrepresenatjon rate in t10 schools is way higher than Asians.

And in the 80s and 90s schools like Penn had literally 20x over representation.

40% of Penn was Jewish at one point!

With a 2% population in the country.

Agree it’s both though, many of the Jewish students are legacy admits, esp at Penn, Wash U, etc.

Asians at least trying to get in via fair competition

Look how far rich Whites go
https://www.insider.com/college-admissions-scandal-full-list-people-sentenced-2019-9#parent-homayoun-zadeh-was-sentenced-to-6-weeks-in-prison-33

Is is really fair though? Is extra tutoring, unnecessary summer school, courses, etc. is that an even playing field?

Extra athletic training is also grossly unfair.

Because Asians do not value being athletic, it is "unfair"? Are you going to give the school the miliions it loses from not having good athletes??

Then why complain that extra tutoring and test preparation is unfair?

Asian-Americans do understand the psychology of the Party of Jefferson Davis and KKK.

And they also understand "southern strategy" and the political shift of southern white racists to the Republican Party since 1964.

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.

There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?

Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.

What?

Jews are way way way more obsessed.

you do know Jewish overrepresenatjon rate in t10 schools is way higher than Asians.

And in the 80s and 90s schools like Penn had literally 20x over representation.

40% of Penn was Jewish at one point!

With a 2% population in the country.

Agree it’s both though, many of the Jewish students are legacy admits, esp at Penn, Wash U, etc.

Asians at least trying to get in via fair competition

Look how far rich Whites go
https://www.insider.com/college-admissions-scandal-full-list-people-sentenced-2019-9#parent-homayoun-zadeh-was-sentenced-to-6-weeks-in-prison-33

Is is really fair though? Is extra tutoring, unnecessary summer school, courses, etc. is that an even playing field?

Extra athletic training is also grossly unfair.

Because Asians do not value being athletic, it is "unfair"? Are you going to give the school the miliions it loses from not having good athletes??

Asians do value being athletic.

I believe the Asiasn countries like Chaina, Korea, Japan ranked very hign on the Olympics.

Just look at the last US Olympic figure skating team. Dominated by Asians. Actually dominated by one ethnicity: Chinese.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if the top colleges accepted kids who were NOT tutored instead of kids who were tutored?

THAT would be interesting!

I support this.

DUMBEST idea ever. So you want underprepared students to run our country some day? Do you want them to design our buildings and infrastructure? My DC benefitted greatly from prep outside of public school. Public school preparation is a joke!

But if you’re receiving and paying for extra supplementation, tutoring outside of school, or basically attending double the amount of school as every one else, is that not an unfair advantage? It doesn’t make you any more intelligent, you’ve simply had more practice.

It also means that by the time you get to college you are significantly better prepared to learn at that level. Do we really expect people with bad preparation to catch up in a few years with kids who have been putting in the work? Also, btw, it’s possible to achieve a lot of this prep without spending a ton in it. The primary differentiator is that you value education and hard work.

Yes, I believe a motivated bright kid could catch up fairly quickly given the opportunity. It’s not only a matter of affording it. Time, resources available, parental involvement also play roles here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if the top colleges accepted kids who were NOT tutored instead of kids who were tutored?

THAT would be interesting!

I support this.

DUMBEST idea ever. So you want underprepared students to run our country some day? Do you want them to design our buildings and infrastructure? My DC benefitted greatly from prep outside of public school. Public school preparation is a joke!

But if you’re receiving and paying for extra supplementation, tutoring outside of school, or basically attending double the amount of school as every one else, is that not an unfair advantage? It doesn’t make you any more intelligent, you’ve simply had more practice.

It also means that by the time you get to college you are significantly better prepared to learn at that level. Do we really expect people with bad preparation to catch up in a few years with kids who have been putting in the work? Also, btw, it’s possible to achieve a lot of this prep without spending a ton in it. The primary differentiator is that you value education and hard work.

Wait, I thought American schools were terrible, and you need nonstop tutoring - so which one is it??

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Anonymous wrote:Will White UMC families move to Anacostia to take advantage of the zip code? Or, possibly just buy a property there to include it in their kids’ applications?

Ha. We live in a W7 zip and my kid has a name that reads black. I can totally see him being construed as black, especially if he goes to McKinley as planned.

💯

He can write that he’s black — no one is gonna assay his genome

Just make sure that no one finds out. He may have problems getting his degree like that girl at Penn. Your son will have to watch his back for four years. Fun!

Iirc the Penn girl had issues about stuff you can prove

You can’t prove race since it’s self identified!

They can prove lying - and that will get you thrown out of college, at best - they can also revoke your degree.

You can’t prove lying on something that’s self identified.

How do you assert someone isn’t black when they say they are?

Are you gonna subject someone to a 23andMe?

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Too many applicants were taking advantage of affirmative action, eg., claiming to be 1/8 Hispanic despite being from a wealthy white family (just bc a great-grandmother came from Spain).

Historically, College Board's National Hispanic Recognition Program required 1/4, or one grandparent, from a list of various countries. As far as I am aware, it still does.

Couldn't an applicant who got the NHRP award include it in the award section of the app? Colleges could ignore it, I suppose, but will they?

Not true. 1/8 was accepted

Wrong. It's 1/4.