FCPS HS Boundary

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:52% capacity?! Something needs to be done to fill it. Boundary changes won’t be able to so a magnet makes sense. I think Montessori is great as is grant money but it does seem better to use a program fcps already has like immersion to fill it.

Excuse me but the neighbors houses are full and there are 2 10 room modulars plus other schools with high projected enrollment. This is a clear example of sticking in a program rather than making difficult boundary adjustments.

It is total garbage considering what else is going on and just like the West Potomac addition does not sync with what should happen in a county wide school division.

If multiple neighboring schools are overcrowded, you are right, boundary changes could address the underenrollment. I should have looked more into it before making a comment.

You need to review the CIP. It is obvious and the language in the grant includes references to getting a different demographic into the school. Same stuff from over 30 years ago when FCPS set up Hunters Woods and Baileys. Dual Spanish Immersion started at Lake Anne in Reston. The fact is FCPS is exhibiting perfidy and total disrespect to ALL otther Magisteial Districts and sending a signal that one area of the county is held harmlesss on this new processs.

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Anonymous wrote:People keep asserting FCPS already has prepared new boundary maps that they'll unveil at some point, but that would be easy enough to FOIA if it were true. Seems like a conspiracy theory.

Oh yeah, they always produce documents under FOIA. They never ever try to bury the requester with costs.

Absurd post.

It would be a specific request so any claims by FCPS of exorbitant production costs could be readily challenged. But thanks for confirming you prefer to wallow in conspiracy theories.

I can’t tell if you are joking.

No. I just find it weird when people claim they’ve already decided what they are going to do and have already drawn up the new maps. If that were the case we’d have seen them already.

To your FOIA point claiming that is a simple low cost request, the county lawyers who will bill you several hundreds of dollars an hour to review any responsive documents would like a word. The staff time spent searching how many custodians’ in boxes would like a word too. These things are expensive by design.

To your broader point, you may want to participate in some conversations with the school board members and FPAC members.

In both instances you are just absolutely wrong, and just trying to carry the water for the school board. You call us conspiracy theorists as we fight against the school boards plans, but I’m guessing you are well aware of their plans too.

If these maps already exist, and you haven’t found a way to obtain and publicize and them yet, these advocacy groups like FairFACTS Matters must be all bluster and far less competent than they’d like people to believe.

But I don’t think they exist yet. Some School Board members may already have specific changes in mind, but I really doubt anything has been memorialized or agreed upon yet.

Prove me wrong.

I’m pretty sure in the governance meeting dr Reid said she had models already that included middle schools going 6-8.
Yiu can rewatch is you are so inclined and let us know if I’m right.

I don't think that anyone wants their 6th graders with the 8th graders.

8th graders are dating, drinking, and in many cases, sesxually active.

Half of the 6th graders are still playing with Legos and pying tag on the playground.

The 6th graders will lose recess if they are moved into middle school, and will be in a teen culture that is nt apprppriate for many of them.

What a terrible idea

Loundoun County as MS 6-8. I know plenty of school districts with 6-8 in California and across the Mid-West. Some schools have a separate wing for the 6th graders so that interaction with the 7-8th graders is limited. It is not a new concept and none of my friends in LCPS have complained.

California is probably the worst school model in the country.

Let’s hope FCPS does not try to mimic failing California. We are better than that.

It’s not just California, it’s majority of the country. Middle school is 6-8 and junior high is 7-9. FCPS is an outlier, but changing from the 7-8 model would be very difficult to accomplish because few middle schools have the capacity, building out more middle schools requires land that the county doesn’t have, and the secondary schools are tied to the 7-12 model.

Just because your friends where you grew up and your husbands friends where he grew up tell you one thing, doesn't mean it's true for the "majority of the country". Agree with all the PPs that I don't want my 6th grader in middle school. I'd rather make middle school 7-9 and high school 10-12.

[Anonymous]

Reid said it would take 18 months to complete a holistic review with the consultant so that would probably mean changes would come 26-27 school year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:2003
Lee - 2092 students
Roughly 23% F/R lunch, 42% white, medium ESL rate (17.3%)

WS - 2259 students
Roughly 7% F/R lunch, 64% white, low ESL rate (7.5%)

2024
Lewis - 1675 students
Roughly 63% F/R lunch, 12% white, high ESL rate (30%)

WS - 2761 students
Roughly 17% F/R lunch, 48% white, low ESL rate (5%)

In 2003 Lee was middle of the road in FCPS. What happened?

IB put into Lee and several other schools

IB actually enabled easier transfer out with the liberal pupil placement policy

Immigrants concentrated in certain schools

2005 boundary change - removed hundreds of students from Lee just as it was getting expanded - some to South County, some to West Springfield; students that departed were on the wealthier end of the spectrum. FCPS knew this was the case

Pupil placement accelerated - FCPS refuses to budge on dropping IB and Lee

2015 boundary change - removed Daventry students - a relatively wealthy neighborhood

In the middle of all of this Great Schools came along and created winners and losers - English speaking Americans, particularly white, just stopped choosing houses in the Lee/Lewis boundary

That is how we got here. Notice the total number of students in 2003 at the two schools. Only different by 167 students. Now in 2024 - different by 1086 students.

Lewis is much smaller, much poorer, and has many more ESL students. The ESL rate at WS actually went down over the years.

The quality of the school (teachers, admin) is not necessarily different or subpar, but the demographics of the students is much different.

How should this be resolved? Long time homeowner wants to know.

This is an unpopular reality to bring up: there is a relationship between the foreign born population and academic performance of an area. And fairfax county has grown its immigrant population over the past 25 years at a per capita rate that exceeds NYC. Lewis #s over 20 years are an example of this. FCPS has failed this population over time and now wants to shuffle kids around to see if it treats the symptoms of high immigrant areas. Living here means accepting that the county will continue to import a (mostly) disadvantaged immigrant population and concentrate it in pockets that need extra resources to be successful. FCPS’ position is that your children are the those resources that will fix that population.

Um what??? Do you live in Springfield or Burke or something? We live in the part of western Fairfax County where our immigrant population is what you racists and xenophobes would call "high performing". I mean, look at Chantilly - are you telling me the Asian and South Asian populations are BRINGING IT DOWN???? Puh-LEASE.

[Anonymous]

Gearing up for tomorrow night's clown show where:

* The School Board will insist they must adopt policy revisions to Policy 8130 so they can get started on a "holistic" county-wide boundary review since these "one-off" boundary changes are just not it and have terrible "ripple effects"; and

* They will discuss Ricardy Anderson's proposal to jump the queue and authorize an immediate, "one-off" boundary study for Glasgow MS even though it is only 95% capacity because the Glasgow administration can't handle the kids there and they've decided it's "just too big."

Hypocrisy, thy name is the FCPS School Board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gearing up for tomorrow night's clown show where:

* The School Board will insist they must adopt policy revisions to Policy 8130 so they can get started on a "holistic" county-wide boundary review since these "one-off" boundary changes are just not it and have terrible "ripple effects"; and

* They will discuss Ricardy Anderson's proposal to jump the queue and authorize an immediate, "one-off" boundary study for Glasgow MS even though it is only 95% capacity because the Glasgow administration can't handle the kids there and they've decided it's "just too big."

Hypocrisy, thy name is the FCPS School Board.

Yep, I’m so mad at them for what they are about to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2003
Lee - 2092 students
Roughly 23% F/R lunch, 42% white, medium ESL rate (17.3%)

WS - 2259 students
Roughly 7% F/R lunch, 64% white, low ESL rate (7.5%)

2024
Lewis - 1675 students
Roughly 63% F/R lunch, 12% white, high ESL rate (30%)

WS - 2761 students
Roughly 17% F/R lunch, 48% white, low ESL rate (5%)

In 2003 Lee was middle of the road in FCPS. What happened?

IB put into Lee and several other schools

IB actually enabled easier transfer out with the liberal pupil placement policy

Immigrants concentrated in certain schools

2005 boundary change - removed hundreds of students from Lee just as it was getting expanded - some to South County, some to West Springfield; students that departed were on the wealthier end of the spectrum. FCPS knew this was the case

Pupil placement accelerated - FCPS refuses to budge on dropping IB and Lee

2015 boundary change - removed Daventry students - a relatively wealthy neighborhood

In the middle of all of this Great Schools came along and created winners and losers - English speaking Americans, particularly white, just stopped choosing houses in the Lee/Lewis boundary

That is how we got here. Notice the total number of students in 2003 at the two schools. Only different by 167 students. Now in 2024 - different by 1086 students.

Lewis is much smaller, much poorer, and has many more ESL students. The ESL rate at WS actually went down over the years.

The quality of the school (teachers, admin) is not necessarily different or subpar, but the demographics of the students is much different.

How should this be resolved? Long time homeowner wants to know.

This is an unpopular reality to bring up: there is a relationship between the foreign born population and academic performance of an area. And fairfax county has grown its immigrant population over the past 25 years at a per capita rate that exceeds NYC. Lewis #s over 20 years are an example of this. FCPS has failed this population over time and now wants to shuffle kids around to see if it treats the symptoms of high immigrant areas. Living here means accepting that the county will continue to import a (mostly) disadvantaged immigrant population and concentrate it in pockets that need extra resources to be successful. FCPS’ position is that your children are the those resources that will fix that population.

Um what??? Do you live in Springfield or Burke or something? We live in the part of western Fairfax County where our immigrant population is what you racists and xenophobes would call "high performing". I mean, look at Chantilly - are you telling me the Asian and South Asian populations are BRINGING IT DOWN???? Puh-LEASE.

What are you trying to say? Springfield and Burke are part of Fairfax County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2003
Lee - 2092 students
Roughly 23% F/R lunch, 42% white, medium ESL rate (17.3%)

WS - 2259 students
Roughly 7% F/R lunch, 64% white, low ESL rate (7.5%)

2024
Lewis - 1675 students
Roughly 63% F/R lunch, 12% white, high ESL rate (30%)

WS - 2761 students
Roughly 17% F/R lunch, 48% white, low ESL rate (5%)

In 2003 Lee was middle of the road in FCPS. What happened?

IB put into Lee and several other schools

IB actually enabled easier transfer out with the liberal pupil placement policy

Immigrants concentrated in certain schools

2005 boundary change - removed hundreds of students from Lee just as it was getting expanded - some to South County, some to West Springfield; students that departed were on the wealthier end of the spectrum. FCPS knew this was the case

Pupil placement accelerated - FCPS refuses to budge on dropping IB and Lee

2015 boundary change - removed Daventry students - a relatively wealthy neighborhood

In the middle of all of this Great Schools came along and created winners and losers - English speaking Americans, particularly white, just stopped choosing houses in the Lee/Lewis boundary

That is how we got here. Notice the total number of students in 2003 at the two schools. Only different by 167 students. Now in 2024 - different by 1086 students.

Lewis is much smaller, much poorer, and has many more ESL students. The ESL rate at WS actually went down over the years.

The quality of the school (teachers, admin) is not necessarily different or subpar, but the demographics of the students is much different.

How should this be resolved? Long time homeowner wants to know.

This is an unpopular reality to bring up: there is a relationship between the foreign born population and academic performance of an area. And fairfax county has grown its immigrant population over the past 25 years at a per capita rate that exceeds NYC. Lewis #s over 20 years are an example of this. FCPS has failed this population over time and now wants to shuffle kids around to see if it treats the symptoms of high immigrant areas. Living here means accepting that the county will continue to import a (mostly) disadvantaged immigrant population and concentrate it in pockets that need extra resources to be successful. FCPS’ position is that your children are the those resources that will fix that population.

Um what??? Do you live in Springfield or Burke or something? We live in the part of western Fairfax County where our immigrant population is what you racists and xenophobes would call "high performing". I mean, look at Chantilly - are you telling me the Asian and South Asian populations are BRINGING IT DOWN???? Puh-LEASE.

You must be on some level aware that the East and South Asian/Indian populations of certain schools are not representative of Fairfax County or the entire US as a whole and don’t have anything to do with the illegal immigration situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gearing up for tomorrow night's clown show where:

* The School Board will insist they must adopt policy revisions to Policy 8130 so they can get started on a "holistic" county-wide boundary review since these "one-off" boundary changes are just not it and have terrible "ripple effects"; and

* They will discuss Ricardy Anderson's proposal to jump the queue and authorize an immediate, "one-off" boundary study for Glasgow MS even though it is only 95% capacity because the Glasgow administration can't handle the kids there and they've decided it's "just too big."

Hypocrisy, thy name is the FCPS School Board.

Yep, I’m so mad at them for what they are about to do.

They shouldn't be doing anything with Glasgow until they decide whether to eliminate the AAP center at Glasgow and add AAP to Holmes and Poe. Ricardy Anderson never thinks things through before elevating them; she just craves attention.

And if they do a one-off boundary study now for Glasgow it puts the lie to the notion that they have no alternative but to do a county-wide boundary study.

These people are so effing pathetic at everything they touch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2003
Lee - 2092 students
Roughly 23% F/R lunch, 42% white, medium ESL rate (17.3%)

WS - 2259 students
Roughly 7% F/R lunch, 64% white, low ESL rate (7.5%)

2024
Lewis - 1675 students
Roughly 63% F/R lunch, 12% white, high ESL rate (30%)

WS - 2761 students
Roughly 17% F/R lunch, 48% white, low ESL rate (5%)

In 2003 Lee was middle of the road in FCPS. What happened?

IB put into Lee and several other schools

IB actually enabled easier transfer out with the liberal pupil placement policy

Immigrants concentrated in certain schools

2005 boundary change - removed hundreds of students from Lee just as it was getting expanded - some to South County, some to West Springfield; students that departed were on the wealthier end of the spectrum. FCPS knew this was the case

Pupil placement accelerated - FCPS refuses to budge on dropping IB and Lee

2015 boundary change - removed Daventry students - a relatively wealthy neighborhood

In the middle of all of this Great Schools came along and created winners and losers - English speaking Americans, particularly white, just stopped choosing houses in the Lee/Lewis boundary

That is how we got here. Notice the total number of students in 2003 at the two schools. Only different by 167 students. Now in 2024 - different by 1086 students.

Lewis is much smaller, much poorer, and has many more ESL students. The ESL rate at WS actually went down over the years.

The quality of the school (teachers, admin) is not necessarily different or subpar, but the demographics of the students is much different.

How should this be resolved? Long time homeowner wants to know.

This is an unpopular reality to bring up: there is a relationship between the foreign born population and academic performance of an area. And fairfax county has grown its immigrant population over the past 25 years at a per capita rate that exceeds NYC. Lewis #s over 20 years are an example of this. FCPS has failed this population over time and now wants to shuffle kids around to see if it treats the symptoms of high immigrant areas. Living here means accepting that the county will continue to import a (mostly) disadvantaged immigrant population and concentrate it in pockets that need extra resources to be successful. FCPS’ position is that your children are the those resources that will fix that population.

Um what??? Do you live in Springfield or Burke or something? We live in the part of western Fairfax County where our immigrant population is what you racists and xenophobes would call "high performing". I mean, look at Chantilly - are you telling me the Asian and South Asian populations are BRINGING IT DOWN???? Puh-LEASE.

What are you trying to say? Springfield and Burke are part of Fairfax County.

You know exactly what they are trying to say. Chantilly has the 'good' kind of immigrant and Springfield and Burke do not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Changing MS structure is a logistical bridge too far for FCPS. Let's stay on topic for boundaries, since the SB is going to vote approval on the updated 8130 this Thursday the 18th.

I am adamently opposed to Reid making decisions after reading about FCPS submitting a grant application to turn a school into a Montesorri Magnet. Parents, PTA, and school board member were unaware...Dunne from Mount Vernon District. https://mvonthemove.com/fcps-pauses-plans-for-montessori-program-at-bucknell-es/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR26DY80H5kBPqRXDfCkYZ-vGb_VlbsPW5keH7GYf8oluV-itSVaTLPefOI_aem_MA35dP-Vmn386En3XXFVJA

Is that 15m grant for a magnet only for Bucknell? That's an outrageouss amount of FIT $ so it is likely for more than 1 FCPS magnet. Grrants aren't annual so ...FCPS did the magnets to avoid boundary changes and this dolt Reid is talking about AAP centers and movement? That ship sailed when FCPS did many local level iv- maybe Reid wants to remove that and go back to busing for larger centers? In that case why bother with all this 8130 crap?

For next year it’s just Bucknell.

So as usual there are separate rules /policies/ regulations for that area of the county? 2 elementary schools by Bucknell - Riverside [has AAP] and Groveton each have 10 room modulars. SY28-29 Groveton projected to be 95% cap with modular and 139% without. Then there is Bush Hill 115% Rosehill 133%.

Something is off here with that load a building with out of boundary students for Montesorri and/or AAP considering this [w]holistic boundary fresh start stuff.

I think the idea specifically is to attract back the high-SES families who live in that area and deliberately choose private to avoid the poor and diverse schools. Redistribution of Groveton and Rose Hill will do absolutely nothing because they are also majority FARMs. Filling Bucknell to 100% capacity with more FARMs is not going to solve or address anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Changing MS structure is a logistical bridge too far for FCPS. Let's stay on topic for boundaries, since the SB is going to vote approval on the updated 8130 this Thursday the 18th.

I am adamently opposed to Reid making decisions after reading about FCPS submitting a grant application to turn a school into a Montesorri Magnet. Parents, PTA, and school board member were unaware...Dunne from Mount Vernon District. https://mvonthemove.com/fcps-pauses-plans-for-montessori-program-at-bucknell-es/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR26DY80H5kBPqRXDfCkYZ-vGb_VlbsPW5keH7GYf8oluV-itSVaTLPefOI_aem_MA35dP-Vmn386En3XXFVJA

Is that 15m grant for a magnet only for Bucknell? That's an outrageouss amount of FIT $ so it is likely for more than 1 FCPS magnet. Grrants aren't annual so ...FCPS did the magnets to avoid boundary changes and this dolt Reid is talking about AAP centers and movement? That ship sailed when FCPS did many local level iv- maybe Reid wants to remove that and go back to busing for larger centers? In that case why bother with all this 8130 crap?

For next year it’s just Bucknell.

So as usual there are separate rules /policies/ regulations for that area of the county? 2 elementary schools by Bucknell - Riverside [has AAP] and Groveton each have 10 room modulars. SY28-29 Groveton projected to be 95% cap with modular and 139% without. Then there is Bush Hill 115% Rosehill 133%.

Something is off here with that load a building with out of boundary students for Montesorri and/or AAP considering this [w]holistic boundary fresh start stuff.

I think the idea specifically is to attract back the high-SES families who live in that area and deliberately choose private to avoid the poor and diverse schools. Redistribution of Groveton and Rose Hill will do absolutely nothing because they are also majority FARMs. Filling Bucknell to 100% capacity with more FARMs is not going to solve or address anything.

So their plan is to attempt to get private school families back in that one area.

And then mess up the rest of the county so the higher SES families flee.

Brilliant!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2003
Lee - 2092 students
Roughly 23% F/R lunch, 42% white, medium ESL rate (17.3%)

WS - 2259 students
Roughly 7% F/R lunch, 64% white, low ESL rate (7.5%)

2024
Lewis - 1675 students
Roughly 63% F/R lunch, 12% white, high ESL rate (30%)

WS - 2761 students
Roughly 17% F/R lunch, 48% white, low ESL rate (5%)

In 2003 Lee was middle of the road in FCPS. What happened?

IB put into Lee and several other schools

IB actually enabled easier transfer out with the liberal pupil placement policy

Immigrants concentrated in certain schools

2005 boundary change - removed hundreds of students from Lee just as it was getting expanded - some to South County, some to West Springfield; students that departed were on the wealthier end of the spectrum. FCPS knew this was the case

Pupil placement accelerated - FCPS refuses to budge on dropping IB and Lee

2015 boundary change - removed Daventry students - a relatively wealthy neighborhood

In the middle of all of this Great Schools came along and created winners and losers - English speaking Americans, particularly white, just stopped choosing houses in the Lee/Lewis boundary

That is how we got here. Notice the total number of students in 2003 at the two schools. Only different by 167 students. Now in 2024 - different by 1086 students.

Lewis is much smaller, much poorer, and has many more ESL students. The ESL rate at WS actually went down over the years.

The quality of the school (teachers, admin) is not necessarily different or subpar, but the demographics of the students is much different.

How should this be resolved? Long time homeowner wants to know.

This is an unpopular reality to bring up: there is a relationship between the foreign born population and academic performance of an area. And fairfax county has grown its immigrant population over the past 25 years at a per capita rate that exceeds NYC. Lewis #s over 20 years are an example of this. FCPS has failed this population over time and now wants to shuffle kids around to see if it treats the symptoms of high immigrant areas. Living here means accepting that the county will continue to import a (mostly) disadvantaged immigrant population and concentrate it in pockets that need extra resources to be successful. FCPS’ position is that your children are the those resources that will fix that population.

Um what??? Do you live in Springfield or Burke or something? We live in the part of western Fairfax County where our immigrant population is what you racists and xenophobes would call "high performing". I mean, look at Chantilly - are you telling me the Asian and South Asian populations are BRINGING IT DOWN???? Puh-LEASE.

What are you trying to say? Springfield and Burke are part of Fairfax County.

You know exactly what they are trying to say. Chantilly has the 'good' kind of immigrant and Springfield and Burke do not.

DCUM feels that way generally, from the highest to lower ranked pyramids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Changing MS structure is a logistical bridge too far for FCPS. Let's stay on topic for boundaries, since the SB is going to vote approval on the updated 8130 this Thursday the 18th.

I am adamently opposed to Reid making decisions after reading about FCPS submitting a grant application to turn a school into a Montesorri Magnet. Parents, PTA, and school board member were unaware...Dunne from Mount Vernon District. https://mvonthemove.com/fcps-pauses-plans-for-montessori-program-at-bucknell-es/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR26DY80H5kBPqRXDfCkYZ-vGb_VlbsPW5keH7GYf8oluV-itSVaTLPefOI_aem_MA35dP-Vmn386En3XXFVJA

Is that 15m grant for a magnet only for Bucknell? That's an outrageouss amount of FIT $ so it is likely for more than 1 FCPS magnet. Grrants aren't annual so ...FCPS did the magnets to avoid boundary changes and this dolt Reid is talking about AAP centers and movement? That ship sailed when FCPS did many local level iv- maybe Reid wants to remove that and go back to busing for larger centers? In that case why bother with all this 8130 crap?

For next year it’s just Bucknell.

So as usual there are separate rules /policies/ regulations for that area of the county? 2 elementary schools by Bucknell - Riverside [has AAP] and Groveton each have 10 room modulars. SY28-29 Groveton projected to be 95% cap with modular and 139% without. Then there is Bush Hill 115% Rosehill 133%.

Something is off here with that load a building with out of boundary students for Montesorri and/or AAP considering this [w]holistic boundary fresh start stuff.

I think the idea specifically is to attract back the high-SES families who live in that area and deliberately choose private to avoid the poor and diverse schools. Redistribution of Groveton and Rose Hill will do absolutely nothing because they are also majority FARMs. Filling Bucknell to 100% capacity with more FARMs is not going to solve or address anything.

So their plan is to attempt to get private school families back in that one area.

And then mess up the rest of the county so the higher SES families flee.

Brilliant!

Dems are excellent for the health of private schools.

[Anonymous]

Sure hope they shut anderson down again.