FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:Not much talk from western areas because it's crowded, everywhere. Once they actually move some of Westfield to Herndon and then Chantilly to Westfield, I'm sure Chantilly parents will be all over the forums....especially the Oak Hill and Franklin Farm parents.

There is plenty of capacity to be used on the east side to help alleviate McLean and FC and Justice. In the western part of the county, Chantilly and centreville are way over capacity and Herndon and SL are right next door in conjunction with moves to Westfields.

I know some may want to “stick it” to GF parents, but the smart move is to immediately shift Chantilly and centreville kids northward and not waste any of the capacity on forestville es or years and millions on the cash expansion.

They said so in the board meeting that there was no money. But it will look silly to leave centreville and Chantilly busting at the seems while they shift some GF kids from one under enrolled school to another in HHS and a few kids to Lewis from WSHS when neither are dealing with what centreville and Chantilly are dealing with regarding capacity.

It won’t look silly to eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill or to move Forestville kids who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley there. That wouldn’t preclude moving some Chantilly kids before the Centreville project is completed. Keep in mind FCPS is projecting hundreds of extra seats at Herndon and a decline in Centreville’s enrollment.

Cville/Chantilly need all that space now vs giving GF a shorter bus ride. So you would just leave cville to be the most crowded school in the county and also under construction for the next 4-5 years? Seems silly when you can move what’s required now and save 100s of millions.

You want to short-change Centreville during its renovation and/or require repeated boundary changes in that area so GF kids can continue to travel over 10 miles to Langley?

They’ve put a heavy emphasis on how changes could eliminate attendance islands and split feeders and reduce commuting lengths. If they roll out changes of any significance involving HS boundaries and leave those 10- mile (or more) commutes untouched, they will look like complete hypocrites.

Centreville might still get expansion. But they are very focused on overcrowded schools. Robyn lady mentioned chantilly crowding at her town hall meetings and Chantilly was mentioned multiple times during the last school Board meeting. The school board won’t ignore some of the most overcrowded schools for another 5-6 years if the expansion happens. I have no clue what % of kids will be moved but to think they won’t touch those overcrowded schools is delusional. This will likely happen concurrently with changing some of the Langley zone that’s in Herndon and Reston.

The amount they would save by not busing just some of great falls to Langley is nominal compared to not doing a 100s of millions of dollars expansion when there are available seats nearby. Buses still would be coming for GFES which is just as far or further than forestville kids. And a bus from GF to Herndon middle is just about as far as to cooper. The savings is probably $0

I think it’s a discussion to be held with the Centreville and Chantilly communities. FCPS is projecting Chantilly’s enrollment will go down by 325 kids over the next five years and that Centreville’s will decline by 274 kids. Many might prefer to sit tight until the Centreville renovation is complete. Others might prefer a boundary change sooner. Typically, what people want is assurance that there is a plan, even if it doesn’t kick in tomorrow.

But, again, that’s a decision where the views of the Centreville and Chantilly communities should be heard. It shouldn’t be driven by zealous Great Falls parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in other pyramids.

Yet, when it comes time to consider moving great falls kids, no community views should be heard? We’re not even overcrowded!

The issue isn’t whether you should be heard, but whether only you should be listened to. Westfield isn’t overcrowded, either, but Great Falls regularly suggests moving kids in and out of Westfield in order to fill up Herndon and preclude any move of Langley kids to Herndon. At the end of the day, if they are going to propose any significant changes to HS boundaries, they can’t ignore how much they’ve touted reducing commuting distances as a key consideration.

I see so you mean hear us and ignore us. Gotta love people who advocate for community input and then when they receive it they ignore it.

And you wonder why families will just rent low price apartments to send their kids elsewhere. When people perceive us as the enemy, it’s not hard to see why we would act in our own self interest.

It’s not that you act in your own self-interests; others do that as well. It’s that you are either so arrogant or so naive that you expect veto rights enjoyed by no one else in the county. Time to put on your big boy pants and brace yourself for the possibility that you might not always get your way.

Hhmmm, so back to my original point, everyone else should get a voice, but because you have such disdain for great falls they get none?

This is why shelling out a little cash to rent an apartment in a desired school district is defensible. When your county hates you that much, you gotta look out for number one.

See, anyone with a little spare cash gets their way, no big boy pants required. I know that is disappointing for you to hear.

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Anonymous wrote:Not much talk from western areas because it's crowded, everywhere. Once they actually move some of Westfield to Herndon and then Chantilly to Westfield, I'm sure Chantilly parents will be all over the forums....especially the Oak Hill and Franklin Farm parents.

There is plenty of capacity to be used on the east side to help alleviate McLean and FC and Justice. In the western part of the county, Chantilly and centreville are way over capacity and Herndon and SL are right next door in conjunction with moves to Westfields.

I know some may want to “stick it” to GF parents, but the smart move is to immediately shift Chantilly and centreville kids northward and not waste any of the capacity on forestville es or years and millions on the cash expansion.

They said so in the board meeting that there was no money. But it will look silly to leave centreville and Chantilly busting at the seems while they shift some GF kids from one under enrolled school to another in HHS and a few kids to Lewis from WSHS when neither are dealing with what centreville and Chantilly are dealing with regarding capacity.

It won’t look silly to eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill or to move Forestville kids who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley there. That wouldn’t preclude moving some Chantilly kids before the Centreville project is completed. Keep in mind FCPS is projecting hundreds of extra seats at Herndon and a decline in Centreville’s enrollment.

Cville/Chantilly need all that space now vs giving GF a shorter bus ride. So you would just leave cville to be the most crowded school in the county and also under construction for the next 4-5 years? Seems silly when you can move what’s required now and save 100s of millions.

You want to short-change Centreville during its renovation and/or require repeated boundary changes in that area so GF kids can continue to travel over 10 miles to Langley?

They’ve put a heavy emphasis on how changes could eliminate attendance islands and split feeders and reduce commuting lengths. If they roll out changes of any significance involving HS boundaries and leave those 10- mile (or more) commutes untouched, they will look like complete hypocrites.

Centreville might still get expansion. But they are very focused on overcrowded schools. Robyn lady mentioned chantilly crowding at her town hall meetings and Chantilly was mentioned multiple times during the last school Board meeting. The school board won’t ignore some of the most overcrowded schools for another 5-6 years if the expansion happens. I have no clue what % of kids will be moved but to think they won’t touch those overcrowded schools is delusional. This will likely happen concurrently with changing some of the Langley zone that’s in Herndon and Reston.

The amount they would save by not busing just some of great falls to Langley is nominal compared to not doing a 100s of millions of dollars expansion when there are available seats nearby. Buses still would be coming for GFES which is just as far or further than forestville kids. And a bus from GF to Herndon middle is just about as far as to cooper. The savings is probably $0

I think it’s a discussion to be held with the Centreville and Chantilly communities. FCPS is projecting Chantilly’s enrollment will go down by 325 kids over the next five years and that Centreville’s will decline by 274 kids. Many might prefer to sit tight until the Centreville renovation is complete. Others might prefer a boundary change sooner. Typically, what people want is assurance that there is a plan, even if it doesn’t kick in tomorrow.

But, again, that’s a decision where the views of the Centreville and Chantilly communities should be heard. It shouldn’t be driven by zealous Great Falls parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in other pyramids.

Yet, when it comes time to consider moving great falls kids, no community views should be heard? We’re not even overcrowded!

The issue isn’t whether you should be heard, but whether only you should be listened to. Westfield isn’t overcrowded, either, but Great Falls regularly suggests moving kids in and out of Westfield in order to fill up Herndon and preclude any move of Langley kids to Herndon. At the end of the day, if they are going to propose any significant changes to HS boundaries, they can’t ignore how much they’ve touted reducing commuting distances as a key consideration.

I see so you mean hear us and ignore us. Gotta love people who advocate for community input and then when they receive it they ignore it.

And you wonder why families will just rent low price apartments to send their kids elsewhere. When people perceive us as the enemy, it’s not hard to see why we would act in our own self interest.

It’s not that you act in your own self-interests; others do that as well. It’s that you are either so arrogant or so naive that you expect veto rights enjoyed by no one else in the county. Time to put on your big boy pants and brace yourself for the possibility that you might not always get your way.

Hhmmm, so back to my original point, everyone else should get a voice, but because you have such disdain for great falls they get none?

This is why shelling out a little cash to rent an apartment in a desired school district is defensible. When your county hates you that much, you gotta look out for number one.

See, anyone with a little spare cash gets their way, no big boy pants required. I know that is disappointing for you to hear.

You appear to operate on the assumption that you are only heard if you always get your way. That’s not how it works.

As for your purported back-up plan, the sheer volume of posts mapping out other potential boundary changes that only affect others, yet do not impact Great Falls at all, suggests that it’s not likely a real option. If you do go down the route of engaging in residency fraud, however, one hopes you recognize that you’re setting a bad example for your kids by sending a message that rules only apply when they work to your personal advantage.

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Not much talk from western areas because it's crowded, everywhere. Once they actually move some of Westfield to Herndon and then Chantilly to Westfield, I'm sure Chantilly parents will be all over the forums....especially the Oak Hill and Franklin Farm parents.


There is plenty of capacity to be used on the east side to help alleviate McLean and FC and Justice. In the western part of the county, Chantilly and centreville are way over capacity and Herndon and SL are right next door in conjunction with moves to Westfields.

I know some may want to “stick it” to GF parents, but the smart move is to immediately shift Chantilly and centreville kids northward and not waste any of the capacity on forestville es or years and millions on the cash expansion.

They said so in the board meeting that there was no money. But it will look silly to leave centreville and Chantilly busting at the seems while they shift some GF kids from one under enrolled school to another in HHS and a few kids to Lewis from WSHS when neither are dealing with what centreville and Chantilly are dealing with regarding capacity.


It won’t look silly to eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill or to move Forestville kids who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley there. That wouldn’t preclude moving some Chantilly kids before the Centreville project is completed. Keep in mind FCPS is projecting hundreds of extra seats at Herndon and a decline in Centreville’s enrollment.

Cville/Chantilly need all that space now vs giving GF a shorter bus ride. So you would just leave cville to be the most crowded school in the county and also under construction for the next 4-5 years? Seems silly when you can move what’s required now and save 100s of millions.


You want to short-change Centreville during its renovation and/or require repeated boundary changes in that area so GF kids can continue to travel over 10 miles to Langley?

They’ve put a heavy emphasis on how changes could eliminate attendance islands and split feeders and reduce commuting lengths. If they roll out changes of any significance involving HS boundaries and leave those 10- mile (or more) commutes untouched, they will look like complete hypocrites.



Centreville might still get expansion. But they are very focused on overcrowded schools. Robyn lady mentioned chantilly crowding at her town hall meetings and Chantilly was mentioned multiple times during the last school Board meeting. The school board won’t ignore some of the most overcrowded schools for another 5-6 years if the expansion happens. I have no clue what % of kids will be moved but to think they won’t touch those overcrowded schools is delusional. This will likely happen concurrently with changing some of the Langley zone that’s in Herndon and Reston.

The amount they would save by not busing just some of great falls to Langley is nominal compared to not doing a 100s of millions of dollars expansion when there are available seats nearby. Buses still would be coming for GFES which is just as far or further than forestville kids. And a bus from GF to Herndon middle is just about as far as to cooper. The savings is probably $0


I think it’s a discussion to be held with the Centreville and Chantilly communities. FCPS is projecting Chantilly’s enrollment will go down by 325 kids over the next five years and that Centreville’s will decline by 274 kids. Many might prefer to sit tight until the Centreville renovation is complete. Others might prefer a boundary change sooner. Typically, what people want is assurance that there is a plan, even if it doesn’t kick in tomorrow.

But, again, that’s a decision where the views of the Centreville and Chantilly communities should be heard. It shouldn’t be driven by zealous Great Falls parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in other pyramids.


Yet, when it comes time to consider moving great falls kids, no community views should be heard? We’re not even overcrowded!


The issue isn’t whether you should be heard, but whether only you should be listened to. Westfield isn’t overcrowded, either, but Great Falls regularly suggests moving kids in and out of Westfield in order to fill up Herndon and preclude any move of Langley kids to Herndon. At the end of the day, if they are going to propose any significant changes to HS boundaries, they can’t ignore how much they’ve touted reducing commuting distances as a key consideration.


I see so you mean hear us and ignore us. Gotta love people who advocate for community input and then when they receive it they ignore it.

And you wonder why families will just rent low price apartments to send their kids elsewhere. When people perceive us as the enemy, it’s not hard to see why we would act in our own self interest.


It’s not that you act in your own self-interests; others do that as well. It’s that you are either so arrogant or so naive that you expect veto rights enjoyed by no one else in the county. Time to put on your big boy pants and brace yourself for the possibility that you might not always get your way.


Hhmmm, so back to my original point, everyone else should get a voice, but because you have such disdain for great falls they get none?

This is why shelling out a little cash to rent an apartment in a desired school district is defensible. When your county hates you that much, you gotta look out for number one.

See, anyone with a little spare cash gets their way, no big boy pants required. I know that is disappointing for you to hear.

So why do you care about boundaries if you have plenty of money to fix things? Just go ahead and rent an apartment or go to private school.

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Not much talk from western areas because it's crowded, everywhere. Once they actually move some of Westfield to Herndon and then Chantilly to Westfield, I'm sure Chantilly parents will be all over the forums....especially the Oak Hill and Franklin Farm parents.


There is plenty of capacity to be used on the east side to help alleviate McLean and FC and Justice. In the western part of the county, Chantilly and centreville are way over capacity and Herndon and SL are right next door in conjunction with moves to Westfields.

I know some may want to “stick it” to GF parents, but the smart move is to immediately shift Chantilly and centreville kids northward and not waste any of the capacity on forestville es or years and millions on the cash expansion.

They said so in the board meeting that there was no money. But it will look silly to leave centreville and Chantilly busting at the seems while they shift some GF kids from one under enrolled school to another in HHS and a few kids to Lewis from WSHS when neither are dealing with what centreville and Chantilly are dealing with regarding capacity.


It won’t look silly to eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill or to move Forestville kids who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley there. That wouldn’t preclude moving some Chantilly kids before the Centreville project is completed. Keep in mind FCPS is projecting hundreds of extra seats at Herndon and a decline in Centreville’s enrollment.

Cville/Chantilly need all that space now vs giving GF a shorter bus ride. So you would just leave cville to be the most crowded school in the county and also under construction for the next 4-5 years? Seems silly when you can move what’s required now and save 100s of millions.


You want to short-change Centreville during its renovation and/or require repeated boundary changes in that area so GF kids can continue to travel over 10 miles to Langley?

They’ve put a heavy emphasis on how changes could eliminate attendance islands and split feeders and reduce commuting lengths. If they roll out changes of any significance involving HS boundaries and leave those 10- mile (or more) commutes untouched, they will look like complete hypocrites.



Centreville might still get expansion. But they are very focused on overcrowded schools. Robyn lady mentioned chantilly crowding at her town hall meetings and Chantilly was mentioned multiple times during the last school Board meeting. The school board won’t ignore some of the most overcrowded schools for another 5-6 years if the expansion happens. I have no clue what % of kids will be moved but to think they won’t touch those overcrowded schools is delusional. This will likely happen concurrently with changing some of the Langley zone that’s in Herndon and Reston.

The amount they would save by not busing just some of great falls to Langley is nominal compared to not doing a 100s of millions of dollars expansion when there are available seats nearby. Buses still would be coming for GFES which is just as far or further than forestville kids. And a bus from GF to Herndon middle is just about as far as to cooper. The savings is probably $0


I think it’s a discussion to be held with the Centreville and Chantilly communities. FCPS is projecting Chantilly’s enrollment will go down by 325 kids over the next five years and that Centreville’s will decline by 274 kids. Many might prefer to sit tight until the Centreville renovation is complete. Others might prefer a boundary change sooner. Typically, what people want is assurance that there is a plan, even if it doesn’t kick in tomorrow.

But, again, that’s a decision where the views of the Centreville and Chantilly communities should be heard. It shouldn’t be driven by zealous Great Falls parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in other pyramids.


Yet, when it comes time to consider moving great falls kids, no community views should be heard? We’re not even overcrowded!


The issue isn’t whether you should be heard, but whether only you should be listened to. Westfield isn’t overcrowded, either, but Great Falls regularly suggests moving kids in and out of Westfield in order to fill up Herndon and preclude any move of Langley kids to Herndon. At the end of the day, if they are going to propose any significant changes to HS boundaries, they can’t ignore how much they’ve touted reducing commuting distances as a key consideration.


I see so you mean hear us and ignore us. Gotta love people who advocate for community input and then when they receive it they ignore it.

And you wonder why families will just rent low price apartments to send their kids elsewhere. When people perceive us as the enemy, it’s not hard to see why we would act in our own self interest.


It’s not that you act in your own self-interests; others do that as well. It’s that you are either so arrogant or so naive that you expect veto rights enjoyed by no one else in the county. Time to put on your big boy pants and brace yourself for the possibility that you might not always get your way.


Hhmmm, so back to my original point, everyone else should get a voice, but because you have such disdain for great falls they get none?

This is why shelling out a little cash to rent an apartment in a desired school district is defensible. When your county hates you that much, you gotta look out for number one.

See, anyone with a little spare cash gets their way, no big boy pants required. I know that is disappointing for you to hear.

So why do you care about boundaries if you have plenty of money to fix things? Just go ahead and rent an apartment or go to private school.

Because for some of us, it’s about the community. Believe it or not, I really like my neighbors.

Some neighbors will fight the school board on this. Others will just say F it and move, and I hate to see them go.

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Anonymous wrote:Not much talk from western areas because it's crowded, everywhere. Once they actually move some of Westfield to Herndon and then Chantilly to Westfield, I'm sure Chantilly parents will be all over the forums....especially the Oak Hill and Franklin Farm parents.

There is plenty of capacity to be used on the east side to help alleviate McLean and FC and Justice. In the western part of the county, Chantilly and centreville are way over capacity and Herndon and SL are right next door in conjunction with moves to Westfields.

I know some may want to “stick it” to GF parents, but the smart move is to immediately shift Chantilly and centreville kids northward and not waste any of the capacity on forestville es or years and millions on the cash expansion.

They said so in the board meeting that there was no money. But it will look silly to leave centreville and Chantilly busting at the seems while they shift some GF kids from one under enrolled school to another in HHS and a few kids to Lewis from WSHS when neither are dealing with what centreville and Chantilly are dealing with regarding capacity.

It won’t look silly to eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill or to move Forestville kids who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley there. That wouldn’t preclude moving some Chantilly kids before the Centreville project is completed. Keep in mind FCPS is projecting hundreds of extra seats at Herndon and a decline in Centreville’s enrollment.

Cville/Chantilly need all that space now vs giving GF a shorter bus ride. So you would just leave cville to be the most crowded school in the county and also under construction for the next 4-5 years? Seems silly when you can move what’s required now and save 100s of millions.

You want to short-change Centreville during its renovation and/or require repeated boundary changes in that area so GF kids can continue to travel over 10 miles to Langley?

They’ve put a heavy emphasis on how changes could eliminate attendance islands and split feeders and reduce commuting lengths. If they roll out changes of any significance involving HS boundaries and leave those 10- mile (or more) commutes untouched, they will look like complete hypocrites.

Centreville might still get expansion. But they are very focused on overcrowded schools. Robyn lady mentioned chantilly crowding at her town hall meetings and Chantilly was mentioned multiple times during the last school Board meeting. The school board won’t ignore some of the most overcrowded schools for another 5-6 years if the expansion happens. I have no clue what % of kids will be moved but to think they won’t touch those overcrowded schools is delusional. This will likely happen concurrently with changing some of the Langley zone that’s in Herndon and Reston.

The amount they would save by not busing just some of great falls to Langley is nominal compared to not doing a 100s of millions of dollars expansion when there are available seats nearby. Buses still would be coming for GFES which is just as far or further than forestville kids. And a bus from GF to Herndon middle is just about as far as to cooper. The savings is probably $0

I think it’s a discussion to be held with the Centreville and Chantilly communities. FCPS is projecting Chantilly’s enrollment will go down by 325 kids over the next five years and that Centreville’s will decline by 274 kids. Many might prefer to sit tight until the Centreville renovation is complete. Others might prefer a boundary change sooner. Typically, what people want is assurance that there is a plan, even if it doesn’t kick in tomorrow.

But, again, that’s a decision where the views of the Centreville and Chantilly communities should be heard. It shouldn’t be driven by zealous Great Falls parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in other pyramids.

Yet, when it comes time to consider moving great falls kids, no community views should be heard? We’re not even overcrowded!

The issue isn’t whether you should be heard, but whether only you should be listened to. Westfield isn’t overcrowded, either, but Great Falls regularly suggests moving kids in and out of Westfield in order to fill up Herndon and preclude any move of Langley kids to Herndon. At the end of the day, if they are going to propose any significant changes to HS boundaries, they can’t ignore how much they’ve touted reducing commuting distances as a key consideration.

I see so you mean hear us and ignore us. Gotta love people who advocate for community input and then when they receive it they ignore it.

And you wonder why families will just rent low price apartments to send their kids elsewhere. When people perceive us as the enemy, it’s not hard to see why we would act in our own self interest.

It’s not that you act in your own self-interests; others do that as well. It’s that you are either so arrogant or so naive that you expect veto rights enjoyed by no one else in the county. Time to put on your big boy pants and brace yourself for the possibility that you might not always get your way.

Hhmmm, so back to my original point, everyone else should get a voice, but because you have such disdain for great falls they get none?

This is why shelling out a little cash to rent an apartment in a desired school district is defensible. When your county hates you that much, you gotta look out for number one.

See, anyone with a little spare cash gets their way, no big boy pants required. I know that is disappointing for you to hear.

You appear to operate on the assumption that you are only heard if you always get your way. That’s not how it works.

As for your purported back-up plan, the sheer volume of posts mapping out other potential boundary changes that only affect others, yet do not impact Great Falls at all, suggests that it’s not likely a real option. If you do go down the route of engaging in residency fraud, however, one hopes you recognize that you’re setting a bad example for your kids by sending a message that rules only apply when they work to your personal advantage.

There is this app called Zillow. On it, you can see for yourself how viable the rental plan is.

Re: residency fraud. When you commit to opposing all residence shenanigans across the county and not just the schools with neighbors you think are wealthier than you, then I will engage in a moral dialogue with you. Until then, you are not on as high a ground as you think you are

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Anonymous wrote:When college admissions time comes around, I always hear about how much “easier” it is to get into W&M or UVA if your kid goes to a Justice, Edison or Herndon because there is less competition within the student body. Many Langley and Mclean parents complain about their kids being at a disadvantage. Just something to consider. Also, it is much easier for your kid to be selected to leadership positions at these less desireable schools.

Why is there a constant drone from posters on this point. We’ve heard your argument repeatedly for why our children should love being redistricted.

If we wanted to take advantage of those supposed opportunities, we would have moved to those schools in the first place.

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And the PP is certainly welcome to send her kids to any of those schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Not much talk from western areas because it's crowded, everywhere. Once they actually move some of Westfield to Herndon and then Chantilly to Westfield, I'm sure Chantilly parents will be all over the forums....especially the Oak Hill and Franklin Farm parents.

There is plenty of capacity to be used on the east side to help alleviate McLean and FC and Justice. In the western part of the county, Chantilly and centreville are way over capacity and Herndon and SL are right next door in conjunction with moves to Westfields.

I know some may want to “stick it” to GF parents, but the smart move is to immediately shift Chantilly and centreville kids northward and not waste any of the capacity on forestville es or years and millions on the cash expansion.

They said so in the board meeting that there was no money. But it will look silly to leave centreville and Chantilly busting at the seems while they shift some GF kids from one under enrolled school to another in HHS and a few kids to Lewis from WSHS when neither are dealing with what centreville and Chantilly are dealing with regarding capacity.

It won’t look silly to eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill or to move Forestville kids who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley there. That wouldn’t preclude moving some Chantilly kids before the Centreville project is completed. Keep in mind FCPS is projecting hundreds of extra seats at Herndon and a decline in Centreville’s enrollment.

Cville/Chantilly need all that space now vs giving GF a shorter bus ride. So you would just leave cville to be the most crowded school in the county and also under construction for the next 4-5 years? Seems silly when you can move what’s required now and save 100s of millions.

You want to short-change Centreville during its renovation and/or require repeated boundary changes in that area so GF kids can continue to travel over 10 miles to Langley?

They’ve put a heavy emphasis on how changes could eliminate attendance islands and split feeders and reduce commuting lengths. If they roll out changes of any significance involving HS boundaries and leave those 10- mile (or more) commutes untouched, they will look like complete hypocrites.

Centreville might still get expansion. But they are very focused on overcrowded schools. Robyn lady mentioned chantilly crowding at her town hall meetings and Chantilly was mentioned multiple times during the last school Board meeting. The school board won’t ignore some of the most overcrowded schools for another 5-6 years if the expansion happens. I have no clue what % of kids will be moved but to think they won’t touch those overcrowded schools is delusional. This will likely happen concurrently with changing some of the Langley zone that’s in Herndon and Reston.

The amount they would save by not busing just some of great falls to Langley is nominal compared to not doing a 100s of millions of dollars expansion when there are available seats nearby. Buses still would be coming for GFES which is just as far or further than forestville kids. And a bus from GF to Herndon middle is just about as far as to cooper. The savings is probably $0

I think it’s a discussion to be held with the Centreville and Chantilly communities. FCPS is projecting Chantilly’s enrollment will go down by 325 kids over the next five years and that Centreville’s will decline by 274 kids. Many might prefer to sit tight until the Centreville renovation is complete. Others might prefer a boundary change sooner. Typically, what people want is assurance that there is a plan, even if it doesn’t kick in tomorrow.

But, again, that’s a decision where the views of the Centreville and Chantilly communities should be heard. It shouldn’t be driven by zealous Great Falls parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in other pyramids.

Yet, when it comes time to consider moving great falls kids, no community views should be heard? We’re not even overcrowded!

The issue isn’t whether you should be heard, but whether only you should be listened to. Westfield isn’t overcrowded, either, but Great Falls regularly suggests moving kids in and out of Westfield in order to fill up Herndon and preclude any move of Langley kids to Herndon. At the end of the day, if they are going to propose any significant changes to HS boundaries, they can’t ignore how much they’ve touted reducing commuting distances as a key consideration.

I see so you mean hear us and ignore us. Gotta love people who advocate for community input and then when they receive it they ignore it.

And you wonder why families will just rent low price apartments to send their kids elsewhere. When people perceive us as the enemy, it’s not hard to see why we would act in our own self interest.

It’s not that you act in your own self-interests; others do that as well. It’s that you are either so arrogant or so naive that you expect veto rights enjoyed by no one else in the county. Time to put on your big boy pants and brace yourself for the possibility that you might not always get your way.

Hhmmm, so back to my original point, everyone else should get a voice, but because you have such disdain for great falls they get none?

This is why shelling out a little cash to rent an apartment in a desired school district is defensible. When your county hates you that much, you gotta look out for number one.

See, anyone with a little spare cash gets their way, no big boy pants required. I know that is disappointing for you to hear.

You appear to operate on the assumption that you are only heard if you always get your way. That’s not how it works.

As for your purported back-up plan, the sheer volume of posts mapping out other potential boundary changes that only affect others, yet do not impact Great Falls at all, suggests that it’s not likely a real option. If you do go down the route of engaging in residency fraud, however, one hopes you recognize that you’re setting a bad example for your kids by sending a message that rules only apply when they work to your personal advantage.

There is this app called Zillow. On it, you can see for yourself how viable the rental plan is.

Re: residency fraud. When you commit to opposing all residence shenanigans across the county and not just the schools with neighbors you think are wealthier than you, then I will engage in a moral dialogue with you. Until then, you are not on as high a ground as you think you are

You can endow yourself here with as much extra pocket change as needed to try and score some rhetorical points. Doesn’t mean you really have the additional money or want to take on putting your kids at risk of getting tossed out of a school for residency fraud. So maybe it’s a real option, but it comes across as more of a bluster than anything else.

As for the residency fraud, you should assume it will get more attention across the board in the future if people advertise their intent to engage in it, whether it involves cheating to get into Langley or other schools. You’d actually want less, not more, attention focused on this if you were really thinking about trying to pull it off.

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Not much talk from western areas because it's crowded, everywhere. Once they actually move some of Westfield to Herndon and then Chantilly to Westfield, I'm sure Chantilly parents will be all over the forums....especially the Oak Hill and Franklin Farm parents.


There is plenty of capacity to be used on the east side to help alleviate McLean and FC and Justice. In the western part of the county, Chantilly and centreville are way over capacity and Herndon and SL are right next door in conjunction with moves to Westfields.

I know some may want to “stick it” to GF parents, but the smart move is to immediately shift Chantilly and centreville kids northward and not waste any of the capacity on forestville es or years and millions on the cash expansion.

They said so in the board meeting that there was no money. But it will look silly to leave centreville and Chantilly busting at the seems while they shift some GF kids from one under enrolled school to another in HHS and a few kids to Lewis from WSHS when neither are dealing with what centreville and Chantilly are dealing with regarding capacity.


It won’t look silly to eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill or to move Forestville kids who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley there. That wouldn’t preclude moving some Chantilly kids before the Centreville project is completed. Keep in mind FCPS is projecting hundreds of extra seats at Herndon and a decline in Centreville’s enrollment.

Cville/Chantilly need all that space now vs giving GF a shorter bus ride. So you would just leave cville to be the most crowded school in the county and also under construction for the next 4-5 years? Seems silly when you can move what’s required now and save 100s of millions.


You want to short-change Centreville during its renovation and/or require repeated boundary changes in that area so GF kids can continue to travel over 10 miles to Langley?

They’ve put a heavy emphasis on how changes could eliminate attendance islands and split feeders and reduce commuting lengths. If they roll out changes of any significance involving HS boundaries and leave those 10- mile (or more) commutes untouched, they will look like complete hypocrites.



Centreville might still get expansion. But they are very focused on overcrowded schools. Robyn lady mentioned chantilly crowding at her town hall meetings and Chantilly was mentioned multiple times during the last school Board meeting. The school board won’t ignore some of the most overcrowded schools for another 5-6 years if the expansion happens. I have no clue what % of kids will be moved but to think they won’t touch those overcrowded schools is delusional. This will likely happen concurrently with changing some of the Langley zone that’s in Herndon and Reston.

The amount they would save by not busing just some of great falls to Langley is nominal compared to not doing a 100s of millions of dollars expansion when there are available seats nearby. Buses still would be coming for GFES which is just as far or further than forestville kids. And a bus from GF to Herndon middle is just about as far as to cooper. The savings is probably $0


I think it’s a discussion to be held with the Centreville and Chantilly communities. FCPS is projecting Chantilly’s enrollment will go down by 325 kids over the next five years and that Centreville’s will decline by 274 kids. Many might prefer to sit tight until the Centreville renovation is complete. Others might prefer a boundary change sooner. Typically, what people want is assurance that there is a plan, even if it doesn’t kick in tomorrow.

But, again, that’s a decision where the views of the Centreville and Chantilly communities should be heard. It shouldn’t be driven by zealous Great Falls parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in other pyramids.


Yet, when it comes time to consider moving great falls kids, no community views should be heard? We’re not even overcrowded!


The issue isn’t whether you should be heard, but whether only you should be listened to. Westfield isn’t overcrowded, either, but Great Falls regularly suggests moving kids in and out of Westfield in order to fill up Herndon and preclude any move of Langley kids to Herndon. At the end of the day, if they are going to propose any significant changes to HS boundaries, they can’t ignore how much they’ve touted reducing commuting distances as a key consideration.


I see so you mean hear us and ignore us. Gotta love people who advocate for community input and then when they receive it they ignore it.

And you wonder why families will just rent low price apartments to send their kids elsewhere. When people perceive us as the enemy, it’s not hard to see why we would act in our own self interest.


It’s not that you act in your own self-interests; others do that as well. It’s that you are either so arrogant or so naive that you expect veto rights enjoyed by no one else in the county. Time to put on your big boy pants and brace yourself for the possibility that you might not always get your way.


Hhmmm, so back to my original point, everyone else should get a voice, but because you have such disdain for great falls they get none?

This is why shelling out a little cash to rent an apartment in a desired school district is defensible. When your county hates you that much, you gotta look out for number one.

See, anyone with a little spare cash gets their way, no big boy pants required. I know that is disappointing for you to hear.

So why do you care about boundaries if you have plenty of money to fix things? Just go ahead and rent an apartment or go to private school.

Because for some of us, it’s about the community. Believe it or not, I really like my neighbors.

Some neighbors will fight the school board on this. Others will just say F it and move, and I hate to see them go.

And others still will step up to the plate and accept the new assignments, just as many other redistricted families have done in the past, but you can’t bring yourself to acknowledge their existence.

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Anonymous wrote:Not much talk from western areas because it's crowded, everywhere. Once they actually move some of Westfield to Herndon and then Chantilly to Westfield, I'm sure Chantilly parents will be all over the forums....especially the Oak Hill and Franklin Farm parents.

There is plenty of capacity to be used on the east side to help alleviate McLean and FC and Justice. In the western part of the county, Chantilly and centreville are way over capacity and Herndon and SL are right next door in conjunction with moves to Westfields.

I know some may want to “stick it” to GF parents, but the smart move is to immediately shift Chantilly and centreville kids northward and not waste any of the capacity on forestville es or years and millions on the cash expansion.

They said so in the board meeting that there was no money. But it will look silly to leave centreville and Chantilly busting at the seems while they shift some GF kids from one under enrolled school to another in HHS and a few kids to Lewis from WSHS when neither are dealing with what centreville and Chantilly are dealing with regarding capacity.

It won’t look silly to eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill or to move Forestville kids who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley there. That wouldn’t preclude moving some Chantilly kids before the Centreville project is completed. Keep in mind FCPS is projecting hundreds of extra seats at Herndon and a decline in Centreville’s enrollment.

Cville/Chantilly need all that space now vs giving GF a shorter bus ride. So you would just leave cville to be the most crowded school in the county and also under construction for the next 4-5 years? Seems silly when you can move what’s required now and save 100s of millions.

You want to short-change Centreville during its renovation and/or require repeated boundary changes in that area so GF kids can continue to travel over 10 miles to Langley?

They’ve put a heavy emphasis on how changes could eliminate attendance islands and split feeders and reduce commuting lengths. If they roll out changes of any significance involving HS boundaries and leave those 10- mile (or more) commutes untouched, they will look like complete hypocrites.

Centreville might still get expansion. But they are very focused on overcrowded schools. Robyn lady mentioned chantilly crowding at her town hall meetings and Chantilly was mentioned multiple times during the last school Board meeting. The school board won’t ignore some of the most overcrowded schools for another 5-6 years if the expansion happens. I have no clue what % of kids will be moved but to think they won’t touch those overcrowded schools is delusional. This will likely happen concurrently with changing some of the Langley zone that’s in Herndon and Reston.

The amount they would save by not busing just some of great falls to Langley is nominal compared to not doing a 100s of millions of dollars expansion when there are available seats nearby. Buses still would be coming for GFES which is just as far or further than forestville kids. And a bus from GF to Herndon middle is just about as far as to cooper. The savings is probably $0

I think it’s a discussion to be held with the Centreville and Chantilly communities. FCPS is projecting Chantilly’s enrollment will go down by 325 kids over the next five years and that Centreville’s will decline by 274 kids. Many might prefer to sit tight until the Centreville renovation is complete. Others might prefer a boundary change sooner. Typically, what people want is assurance that there is a plan, even if it doesn’t kick in tomorrow.

But, again, that’s a decision where the views of the Centreville and Chantilly communities should be heard. It shouldn’t be driven by zealous Great Falls parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in other pyramids.

Yet, when it comes time to consider moving great falls kids, no community views should be heard? We’re not even overcrowded!

The issue isn’t whether you should be heard, but whether only you should be listened to. Westfield isn’t overcrowded, either, but Great Falls regularly suggests moving kids in and out of Westfield in order to fill up Herndon and preclude any move of Langley kids to Herndon. At the end of the day, if they are going to propose any significant changes to HS boundaries, they can’t ignore how much they’ve touted reducing commuting distances as a key consideration.

I see so you mean hear us and ignore us. Gotta love people who advocate for community input and then when they receive it they ignore it.

And you wonder why families will just rent low price apartments to send their kids elsewhere. When people perceive us as the enemy, it’s not hard to see why we would act in our own self interest.

It’s not that you act in your own self-interests; others do that as well. It’s that you are either so arrogant or so naive that you expect veto rights enjoyed by no one else in the county. Time to put on your big boy pants and brace yourself for the possibility that you might not always get your way.

Hhmmm, so back to my original point, everyone else should get a voice, but because you have such disdain for great falls they get none?

This is why shelling out a little cash to rent an apartment in a desired school district is defensible. When your county hates you that much, you gotta look out for number one.

See, anyone with a little spare cash gets their way, no big boy pants required. I know that is disappointing for you to hear.

You appear to operate on the assumption that you are only heard if you always get your way. That’s not how it works.

As for your purported back-up plan, the sheer volume of posts mapping out other potential boundary changes that only affect others, yet do not impact Great Falls at all, suggests that it’s not likely a real option. If you do go down the route of engaging in residency fraud, however, one hopes you recognize that you’re setting a bad example for your kids by sending a message that rules only apply when they work to your personal advantage.

There is this app called Zillow. On it, you can see for yourself how viable the rental plan is.

Re: residency fraud. When you commit to opposing all residence shenanigans across the county and not just the schools with neighbors you think are wealthier than you, then I will engage in a moral dialogue with you. Until then, you are not on as high a ground as you think you are

You can endow yourself here with as much extra pocket change as needed to try and score some rhetorical points. Doesn’t mean you really have the additional money or want to take on putting your kids at risk of getting tossed out of a school for residency fraud. So maybe it’s a real option, but it comes across as more of a bluster than anything else.

As for the residency fraud, you should assume it will get more attention across the board in the future if people advertise their intent to engage in it, whether it involves cheating to get into Langley or other schools. You’d actually want less, not more, attention focused on this if you were really thinking about trying to pull it off.

Sure whatever you say. You’re the expert, apparently.

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Anonymous wrote:Not much talk from western areas because it's crowded, everywhere. Once they actually move some of Westfield to Herndon and then Chantilly to Westfield, I'm sure Chantilly parents will be all over the forums....especially the Oak Hill and Franklin Farm parents.

There is plenty of capacity to be used on the east side to help alleviate McLean and FC and Justice. In the western part of the county, Chantilly and centreville are way over capacity and Herndon and SL are right next door in conjunction with moves to Westfields.

I know some may want to “stick it” to GF parents, but the smart move is to immediately shift Chantilly and centreville kids northward and not waste any of the capacity on forestville es or years and millions on the cash expansion.

They said so in the board meeting that there was no money. But it will look silly to leave centreville and Chantilly busting at the seems while they shift some GF kids from one under enrolled school to another in HHS and a few kids to Lewis from WSHS when neither are dealing with what centreville and Chantilly are dealing with regarding capacity.

It won’t look silly to eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill or to move Forestville kids who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley there. That wouldn’t preclude moving some Chantilly kids before the Centreville project is completed. Keep in mind FCPS is projecting hundreds of extra seats at Herndon and a decline in Centreville’s enrollment.

Cville/Chantilly need all that space now vs giving GF a shorter bus ride. So you would just leave cville to be the most crowded school in the county and also under construction for the next 4-5 years? Seems silly when you can move what’s required now and save 100s of millions.

You want to short-change Centreville during its renovation and/or require repeated boundary changes in that area so GF kids can continue to travel over 10 miles to Langley?

They’ve put a heavy emphasis on how changes could eliminate attendance islands and split feeders and reduce commuting lengths. If they roll out changes of any significance involving HS boundaries and leave those 10- mile (or more) commutes untouched, they will look like complete hypocrites.

Centreville might still get expansion. But they are very focused on overcrowded schools. Robyn lady mentioned chantilly crowding at her town hall meetings and Chantilly was mentioned multiple times during the last school Board meeting. The school board won’t ignore some of the most overcrowded schools for another 5-6 years if the expansion happens. I have no clue what % of kids will be moved but to think they won’t touch those overcrowded schools is delusional. This will likely happen concurrently with changing some of the Langley zone that’s in Herndon and Reston.

The amount they would save by not busing just some of great falls to Langley is nominal compared to not doing a 100s of millions of dollars expansion when there are available seats nearby. Buses still would be coming for GFES which is just as far or further than forestville kids. And a bus from GF to Herndon middle is just about as far as to cooper. The savings is probably $0

I think it’s a discussion to be held with the Centreville and Chantilly communities. FCPS is projecting Chantilly’s enrollment will go down by 325 kids over the next five years and that Centreville’s will decline by 274 kids. Many might prefer to sit tight until the Centreville renovation is complete. Others might prefer a boundary change sooner. Typically, what people want is assurance that there is a plan, even if it doesn’t kick in tomorrow.

But, again, that’s a decision where the views of the Centreville and Chantilly communities should be heard. It shouldn’t be driven by zealous Great Falls parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in other pyramids.

DP. Do you even hear yourself? The vast majority of posts in this thread have been about parents wanting to redistrict both WSHS and Langley kids to Lewis/Herndon. These people are the very epitome of "zealous" parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in OTHER pyramids. We all know they don't have kids at either WS or Langley, but they sure feel up to the task of rezoning those kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Not much talk from western areas because it's crowded, everywhere. Once they actually move some of Westfield to Herndon and then Chantilly to Westfield, I'm sure Chantilly parents will be all over the forums....especially the Oak Hill and Franklin Farm parents.

There is plenty of capacity to be used on the east side to help alleviate McLean and FC and Justice. In the western part of the county, Chantilly and centreville are way over capacity and Herndon and SL are right next door in conjunction with moves to Westfields.

I know some may want to “stick it” to GF parents, but the smart move is to immediately shift Chantilly and centreville kids northward and not waste any of the capacity on forestville es or years and millions on the cash expansion.

They said so in the board meeting that there was no money. But it will look silly to leave centreville and Chantilly busting at the seems while they shift some GF kids from one under enrolled school to another in HHS and a few kids to Lewis from WSHS when neither are dealing with what centreville and Chantilly are dealing with regarding capacity.

It won’t look silly to eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill or to move Forestville kids who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley there. That wouldn’t preclude moving some Chantilly kids before the Centreville project is completed. Keep in mind FCPS is projecting hundreds of extra seats at Herndon and a decline in Centreville’s enrollment.

Cville/Chantilly need all that space now vs giving GF a shorter bus ride. So you would just leave cville to be the most crowded school in the county and also under construction for the next 4-5 years? Seems silly when you can move what’s required now and save 100s of millions.

You want to short-change Centreville during its renovation and/or require repeated boundary changes in that area so GF kids can continue to travel over 10 miles to Langley?

They’ve put a heavy emphasis on how changes could eliminate attendance islands and split feeders and reduce commuting lengths. If they roll out changes of any significance involving HS boundaries and leave those 10- mile (or more) commutes untouched, they will look like complete hypocrites.

Centreville might still get expansion. But they are very focused on overcrowded schools. Robyn lady mentioned chantilly crowding at her town hall meetings and Chantilly was mentioned multiple times during the last school Board meeting. The school board won’t ignore some of the most overcrowded schools for another 5-6 years if the expansion happens. I have no clue what % of kids will be moved but to think they won’t touch those overcrowded schools is delusional. This will likely happen concurrently with changing some of the Langley zone that’s in Herndon and Reston.

The amount they would save by not busing just some of great falls to Langley is nominal compared to not doing a 100s of millions of dollars expansion when there are available seats nearby. Buses still would be coming for GFES which is just as far or further than forestville kids. And a bus from GF to Herndon middle is just about as far as to cooper. The savings is probably $0

I think it’s a discussion to be held with the Centreville and Chantilly communities. FCPS is projecting Chantilly’s enrollment will go down by 325 kids over the next five years and that Centreville’s will decline by 274 kids. Many might prefer to sit tight until the Centreville renovation is complete. Others might prefer a boundary change sooner. Typically, what people want is assurance that there is a plan, even if it doesn’t kick in tomorrow.

But, again, that’s a decision where the views of the Centreville and Chantilly communities should be heard. It shouldn’t be driven by zealous Great Falls parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in other pyramids.

Yet, when it comes time to consider moving great falls kids, no community views should be heard? We’re not even overcrowded!

Exactly. The total projection of the PP is astounding.
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Anonymous wrote:Not much talk from western areas because it's crowded, everywhere. Once they actually move some of Westfield to Herndon and then Chantilly to Westfield, I'm sure Chantilly parents will be all over the forums....especially the Oak Hill and Franklin Farm parents.

There is plenty of capacity to be used on the east side to help alleviate McLean and FC and Justice. In the western part of the county, Chantilly and centreville are way over capacity and Herndon and SL are right next door in conjunction with moves to Westfields.

I know some may want to “stick it” to GF parents, but the smart move is to immediately shift Chantilly and centreville kids northward and not waste any of the capacity on forestville es or years and millions on the cash expansion.

They said so in the board meeting that there was no money. But it will look silly to leave centreville and Chantilly busting at the seems while they shift some GF kids from one under enrolled school to another in HHS and a few kids to Lewis from WSHS when neither are dealing with what centreville and Chantilly are dealing with regarding capacity.

It won’t look silly to eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill or to move Forestville kids who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley there. That wouldn’t preclude moving some Chantilly kids before the Centreville project is completed. Keep in mind FCPS is projecting hundreds of extra seats at Herndon and a decline in Centreville’s enrollment.

Cville/Chantilly need all that space now vs giving GF a shorter bus ride. So you would just leave cville to be the most crowded school in the county and also under construction for the next 4-5 years? Seems silly when you can move what’s required now and save 100s of millions.

You want to short-change Centreville during its renovation and/or require repeated boundary changes in that area so GF kids can continue to travel over 10 miles to Langley?

They’ve put a heavy emphasis on how changes could eliminate attendance islands and split feeders and reduce commuting lengths. If they roll out changes of any significance involving HS boundaries and leave those 10- mile (or more) commutes untouched, they will look like complete hypocrites.

Centreville might still get expansion. But they are very focused on overcrowded schools. Robyn lady mentioned chantilly crowding at her town hall meetings and Chantilly was mentioned multiple times during the last school Board meeting. The school board won’t ignore some of the most overcrowded schools for another 5-6 years if the expansion happens. I have no clue what % of kids will be moved but to think they won’t touch those overcrowded schools is delusional. This will likely happen concurrently with changing some of the Langley zone that’s in Herndon and Reston.

The amount they would save by not busing just some of great falls to Langley is nominal compared to not doing a 100s of millions of dollars expansion when there are available seats nearby. Buses still would be coming for GFES which is just as far or further than forestville kids. And a bus from GF to Herndon middle is just about as far as to cooper. The savings is probably $0

I think it’s a discussion to be held with the Centreville and Chantilly communities. FCPS is projecting Chantilly’s enrollment will go down by 325 kids over the next five years and that Centreville’s will decline by 274 kids. Many might prefer to sit tight until the Centreville renovation is complete. Others might prefer a boundary change sooner. Typically, what people want is assurance that there is a plan, even if it doesn’t kick in tomorrow.

But, again, that’s a decision where the views of the Centreville and Chantilly communities should be heard. It shouldn’t be driven by zealous Great Falls parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in other pyramids.

Yet, when it comes time to consider moving great falls kids, no community views should be heard? We’re not even overcrowded!

The issue isn’t whether you should be heard, but whether only you should be listened to. Westfield isn’t overcrowded, either, but Great Falls regularly suggests moving kids in and out of Westfield in order to fill up Herndon and preclude any move of Langley kids to Herndon. At the end of the day, if they are going to propose any significant changes to HS boundaries, they can’t ignore how much they’ve touted reducing commuting distances as a key consideration.

DP. I've only heard that from one person, right here on this anonymous forum. Meanwhile, people like you have been smugly insisting that Forestville kids be rezoned to Herndon - for your OWN purposes. Just admit it. It's fine for YOU to move around other people's kids, but no one is allowed to try that garbage with you, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Not much talk from western areas because it's crowded, everywhere. Once they actually move some of Westfield to Herndon and then Chantilly to Westfield, I'm sure Chantilly parents will be all over the forums....especially the Oak Hill and Franklin Farm parents.

There is plenty of capacity to be used on the east side to help alleviate McLean and FC and Justice. In the western part of the county, Chantilly and centreville are way over capacity and Herndon and SL are right next door in conjunction with moves to Westfields.

I know some may want to “stick it” to GF parents, but the smart move is to immediately shift Chantilly and centreville kids northward and not waste any of the capacity on forestville es or years and millions on the cash expansion.

They said so in the board meeting that there was no money. But it will look silly to leave centreville and Chantilly busting at the seems while they shift some GF kids from one under enrolled school to another in HHS and a few kids to Lewis from WSHS when neither are dealing with what centreville and Chantilly are dealing with regarding capacity.

It won’t look silly to eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill or to move Forestville kids who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley there. That wouldn’t preclude moving some Chantilly kids before the Centreville project is completed. Keep in mind FCPS is projecting hundreds of extra seats at Herndon and a decline in Centreville’s enrollment.

Cville/Chantilly need all that space now vs giving GF a shorter bus ride. So you would just leave cville to be the most crowded school in the county and also under construction for the next 4-5 years? Seems silly when you can move what’s required now and save 100s of millions.

You want to short-change Centreville during its renovation and/or require repeated boundary changes in that area so GF kids can continue to travel over 10 miles to Langley?

They’ve put a heavy emphasis on how changes could eliminate attendance islands and split feeders and reduce commuting lengths. If they roll out changes of any significance involving HS boundaries and leave those 10- mile (or more) commutes untouched, they will look like complete hypocrites.

Centreville might still get expansion. But they are very focused on overcrowded schools. Robyn lady mentioned chantilly crowding at her town hall meetings and Chantilly was mentioned multiple times during the last school Board meeting. The school board won’t ignore some of the most overcrowded schools for another 5-6 years if the expansion happens. I have no clue what % of kids will be moved but to think they won’t touch those overcrowded schools is delusional. This will likely happen concurrently with changing some of the Langley zone that’s in Herndon and Reston.

The amount they would save by not busing just some of great falls to Langley is nominal compared to not doing a 100s of millions of dollars expansion when there are available seats nearby. Buses still would be coming for GFES which is just as far or further than forestville kids. And a bus from GF to Herndon middle is just about as far as to cooper. The savings is probably $0

I think it’s a discussion to be held with the Centreville and Chantilly communities. FCPS is projecting Chantilly’s enrollment will go down by 325 kids over the next five years and that Centreville’s will decline by 274 kids. Many might prefer to sit tight until the Centreville renovation is complete. Others might prefer a boundary change sooner. Typically, what people want is assurance that there is a plan, even if it doesn’t kick in tomorrow.

But, again, that’s a decision where the views of the Centreville and Chantilly communities should be heard. It shouldn’t be driven by zealous Great Falls parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in other pyramids.

Yet, when it comes time to consider moving great falls kids, no community views should be heard? We’re not even overcrowded!

The issue isn’t whether you should be heard, but whether only you should be listened to. Westfield isn’t overcrowded, either, but Great Falls regularly suggests moving kids in and out of Westfield in order to fill up Herndon and preclude any move of Langley kids to Herndon. At the end of the day, if they are going to propose any significant changes to HS boundaries, they can’t ignore how much they’ve touted reducing commuting distances as a key consideration.

I see so you mean hear us and ignore us. Gotta love people who advocate for community input and then when they receive it they ignore it.

And you wonder why families will just rent low price apartments to send their kids elsewhere. When people perceive us as the enemy, it’s not hard to see why we would act in our own self interest.

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I love how the PP dictates who should be "listened to." This is so entertaining.

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Anonymous wrote:Not much talk from western areas because it's crowded, everywhere. Once they actually move some of Westfield to Herndon and then Chantilly to Westfield, I'm sure Chantilly parents will be all over the forums....especially the Oak Hill and Franklin Farm parents.

There is plenty of capacity to be used on the east side to help alleviate McLean and FC and Justice. In the western part of the county, Chantilly and centreville are way over capacity and Herndon and SL are right next door in conjunction with moves to Westfields.

I know some may want to “stick it” to GF parents, but the smart move is to immediately shift Chantilly and centreville kids northward and not waste any of the capacity on forestville es or years and millions on the cash expansion.

They said so in the board meeting that there was no money. But it will look silly to leave centreville and Chantilly busting at the seems while they shift some GF kids from one under enrolled school to another in HHS and a few kids to Lewis from WSHS when neither are dealing with what centreville and Chantilly are dealing with regarding capacity.

It won’t look silly to eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill or to move Forestville kids who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley there. That wouldn’t preclude moving some Chantilly kids before the Centreville project is completed. Keep in mind FCPS is projecting hundreds of extra seats at Herndon and a decline in Centreville’s enrollment.

Cville/Chantilly need all that space now vs giving GF a shorter bus ride. So you would just leave cville to be the most crowded school in the county and also under construction for the next 4-5 years? Seems silly when you can move what’s required now and save 100s of millions.

You want to short-change Centreville during its renovation and/or require repeated boundary changes in that area so GF kids can continue to travel over 10 miles to Langley?

They’ve put a heavy emphasis on how changes could eliminate attendance islands and split feeders and reduce commuting lengths. If they roll out changes of any significance involving HS boundaries and leave those 10- mile (or more) commutes untouched, they will look like complete hypocrites.

Centreville might still get expansion. But they are very focused on overcrowded schools. Robyn lady mentioned chantilly crowding at her town hall meetings and Chantilly was mentioned multiple times during the last school Board meeting. The school board won’t ignore some of the most overcrowded schools for another 5-6 years if the expansion happens. I have no clue what % of kids will be moved but to think they won’t touch those overcrowded schools is delusional. This will likely happen concurrently with changing some of the Langley zone that’s in Herndon and Reston.

The amount they would save by not busing just some of great falls to Langley is nominal compared to not doing a 100s of millions of dollars expansion when there are available seats nearby. Buses still would be coming for GFES which is just as far or further than forestville kids. And a bus from GF to Herndon middle is just about as far as to cooper. The savings is probably $0

I think it’s a discussion to be held with the Centreville and Chantilly communities. FCPS is projecting Chantilly’s enrollment will go down by 325 kids over the next five years and that Centreville’s will decline by 274 kids. Many might prefer to sit tight until the Centreville renovation is complete. Others might prefer a boundary change sooner. Typically, what people want is assurance that there is a plan, even if it doesn’t kick in tomorrow.

But, again, that’s a decision where the views of the Centreville and Chantilly communities should be heard. It shouldn’t be driven by zealous Great Falls parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in other pyramids.

Yet, when it comes time to consider moving great falls kids, no community views should be heard? We’re not even overcrowded!

The issue isn’t whether you should be heard, but whether only you should be listened to. Westfield isn’t overcrowded, either, but Great Falls regularly suggests moving kids in and out of Westfield in order to fill up Herndon and preclude any move of Langley kids to Herndon. At the end of the day, if they are going to propose any significant changes to HS boundaries, they can’t ignore how much they’ve touted reducing commuting distances as a key consideration.

I see so you mean hear us and ignore us. Gotta love people who advocate for community input and then when they receive it they ignore it.

And you wonder why families will just rent low price apartments to send their kids elsewhere. When people perceive us as the enemy, it’s not hard to see why we would act in our own self interest.

It’s not that you act in your own self-interests; others do that as well. It’s that you are either so arrogant or so naive that you expect veto rights enjoyed by no one else in the county. Time to put on your big boy pants and brace yourself for the possibility that you might not always get your way.

Right back at you.
DP

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Not much talk from western areas because it's crowded, everywhere. Once they actually move some of Westfield to Herndon and then Chantilly to Westfield, I'm sure Chantilly parents will be all over the forums....especially the Oak Hill and Franklin Farm parents.


There is plenty of capacity to be used on the east side to help alleviate McLean and FC and Justice. In the western part of the county, Chantilly and centreville are way over capacity and Herndon and SL are right next door in conjunction with moves to Westfields.

I know some may want to “stick it” to GF parents, but the smart move is to immediately shift Chantilly and centreville kids northward and not waste any of the capacity on forestville es or years and millions on the cash expansion.

They said so in the board meeting that there was no money. But it will look silly to leave centreville and Chantilly busting at the seems while they shift some GF kids from one under enrolled school to another in HHS and a few kids to Lewis from WSHS when neither are dealing with what centreville and Chantilly are dealing with regarding capacity.


It won’t look silly to eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill or to move Forestville kids who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley there. That wouldn’t preclude moving some Chantilly kids before the Centreville project is completed. Keep in mind FCPS is projecting hundreds of extra seats at Herndon and a decline in Centreville’s enrollment.

Cville/Chantilly need all that space now vs giving GF a shorter bus ride. So you would just leave cville to be the most crowded school in the county and also under construction for the next 4-5 years? Seems silly when you can move what’s required now and save 100s of millions.


You want to short-change Centreville during its renovation and/or require repeated boundary changes in that area so GF kids can continue to travel over 10 miles to Langley?

They’ve put a heavy emphasis on how changes could eliminate attendance islands and split feeders and reduce commuting lengths. If they roll out changes of any significance involving HS boundaries and leave those 10- mile (or more) commutes untouched, they will look like complete hypocrites.



Centreville might still get expansion. But they are very focused on overcrowded schools. Robyn lady mentioned chantilly crowding at her town hall meetings and Chantilly was mentioned multiple times during the last school Board meeting. The school board won’t ignore some of the most overcrowded schools for another 5-6 years if the expansion happens. I have no clue what % of kids will be moved but to think they won’t touch those overcrowded schools is delusional. This will likely happen concurrently with changing some of the Langley zone that’s in Herndon and Reston.

The amount they would save by not busing just some of great falls to Langley is nominal compared to not doing a 100s of millions of dollars expansion when there are available seats nearby. Buses still would be coming for GFES which is just as far or further than forestville kids. And a bus from GF to Herndon middle is just about as far as to cooper. The savings is probably $0


I think it’s a discussion to be held with the Centreville and Chantilly communities. FCPS is projecting Chantilly’s enrollment will go down by 325 kids over the next five years and that Centreville’s will decline by 274 kids. Many might prefer to sit tight until the Centreville renovation is complete. Others might prefer a boundary change sooner. Typically, what people want is assurance that there is a plan, even if it doesn’t kick in tomorrow.

But, again, that’s a decision where the views of the Centreville and Chantilly communities should be heard. It shouldn’t be driven by zealous Great Falls parents looking to come up with changes that would only affect kids in other pyramids.


Yet, when it comes time to consider moving great falls kids, no community views should be heard? We’re not even overcrowded!


The issue isn’t whether you should be heard, but whether only you should be listened to. Westfield isn’t overcrowded, either, but Great Falls regularly suggests moving kids in and out of Westfield in order to fill up Herndon and preclude any move of Langley kids to Herndon. At the end of the day, if they are going to propose any significant changes to HS boundaries, they can’t ignore how much they’ve touted reducing commuting distances as a key consideration.


I see so you mean hear us and ignore us. Gotta love people who advocate for community input and then when they receive it they ignore it.

And you wonder why families will just rent low price apartments to send their kids elsewhere. When people perceive us as the enemy, it’s not hard to see why we would act in our own self interest.


It’s not that you act in your own self-interests; others do that as well. It’s that you are either so arrogant or so naive that you expect veto rights enjoyed by no one else in the county. Time to put on your big boy pants and brace yourself for the possibility that you might not always get your way.


Hhmmm, so back to my original point, everyone else should get a voice, but because you have such disdain for great falls they get none?

This is why shelling out a little cash to rent an apartment in a desired school district is defensible. When your county hates you that much, you gotta look out for number one.

See, anyone with a little spare cash gets their way, no big boy pants required. I know that is disappointing for you to hear.

So why do you care about boundaries if you have plenty of money to fix things? Just go ahead and rent an apartment or go to private school.

Because for some of us, it’s about the community. Believe it or not, I really like my neighbors.

Some neighbors will fight the school board on this. Others will just say F it and move, and I hate to see them go.

And others still will step up to the plate and accept the new assignments, just as many other redistricted families have done in the past, but you can’t bring yourself to acknowledge their existence.

I’ve mentioned on this board prior that some of my neighbors will move to the new school. I’ve actually talked with a handful of friends that likely will move, and that is fine - they either don’t have enough funds to go elsewhere or are committed to the equity principles at play here. That doesn’t mean many will leave.

Your post makes it seem like some big gotcha that you caught me not caring about some of my neighbors, but in reality it just shows how suspect your reading comprehension skills are.