PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody can do whatever they want.

I mean, they really can’t.

Yes they can, but this PSA assumes that Christians acting in good faith would want to know that the "seder" they are hosting presumably in an homage to their perceived Jewish roots, is actually quite offensive to a lot of Jewish people.

And one might also asume that Jews might care to know that is offensive to categorize the majority of Christians as the type who do or would do this. To equate a simple Passover prayer and meal as "holding a Seder" is offensive.

Based on this thread, a lot of Jewish people believe Passover doesn’t exist in Christianity. Despite many people explaining that the exodus story is completely separate from Easter, they insist that Christians are wrong about what’s written in the Bible. In thread asking for religious sensitivity, that’s especially ironic.

literally nobody said that. in fact we said the opposite like 50 times.

Sorry, to clarify: The Exodus story is deeply integrated into Christianity in many, many ways. The issue here is Christians celebrating a SEDER, which is a Jewish religious rite. Not Christian incorporation of Exodus and the Last Supper, which is all over Christianity ALREADY. For example: https://www.americamagazine.org/content/the-word/paschal-mystery

The Seder and its symbols and rituals (matzoh, wine, prayers, songs) are a specifically Jewish way to celebrate the Israelites' liberation from slavery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody can do whatever they want.

I mean, they really can’t.

Yes they can, but this PSA assumes that Christians acting in good faith would want to know that the "seder" they are hosting presumably in an homage to their perceived Jewish roots, is actually quite offensive to a lot of Jewish people.

And one might also asume that Jews might care to know that is offensive to categorize the majority of Christians as the type who do or would do this. To equate a simple Passover prayer and meal as "holding a Seder" is offensive.

Did anyone categorize the majority of Christians here? No; they did not. You might want to ask why you need to turn this into something about the persecution of Christians. (What is a Passover Prayer and meal? Is it something like breaking unlevened bread in memory of Jesus’s sacrifice as the Lamb of God? Hmm.)

Jesus actually isn't mentioned in my church's Passover meal. It is a reading, a prayer of thanks for God's mercy, and a simple soup supper open to all, including those in true need of a meal. Look who is making the assumptions, HMM?

A reading of what?

[Anonymous]

In case people are still in doubt - here's a "Christian Passover" haggadah.

https://annvoskamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/A_Christian_Passover_Easter_Meal.pdf

[Anonymous]

Oh, and in our own neighborhood! Reston Bible Church. You can order your own "seder kit."

https://www.restonbible.org/kids/sederkits/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody can do whatever they want.

I mean, they really can’t.

Yes they can, but this PSA assumes that Christians acting in good faith would want to know that the "seder" they are hosting presumably in an homage to their perceived Jewish roots, is actually quite offensive to a lot of Jewish people.

And one might also asume that Jews might care to know that is offensive to categorize the majority of Christians as the type who do or would do this. To equate a simple Passover prayer and meal as "holding a Seder" is offensive.

Did anyone categorize the majority of Christians here? No; they did not. You might want to ask why you need to turn this into something about the persecution of Christians. (What is a Passover Prayer and meal? Is it something like breaking unlevened bread in memory of Jesus’s sacrifice as the Lamb of God? Hmm.)

Jesus actually isn't mentioned in my church's Passover meal. It is a reading, a prayer of thanks for God's mercy, and a simple soup supper open to all, including those in true need of a meal. Look who is making the assumptions, HMM?

A reading of what?

Passages from the Book of Exodus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh, and in our own neighborhood! Reston Bible Church. You can order your own "seder kit."

https://www.restonbible.org/kids/sederkits/

Then...contact the Reston Bible Church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, and in our own neighborhood! Reston Bible Church. You can order your own "seder kit."

https://www.restonbible.org/kids/sederkits/

Then...contact the Reston Bible Church.

I'd rather hold them up for public opprobrium here. Much more effective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, and in our own neighborhood! Reston Bible Church. You can order your own "seder kit."

https://www.restonbible.org/kids/sederkits/

Then...contact the Reston Bible Church.

I'd rather hold them up for public opprobrium here. Much more effective.

Yeah, looks that way. You've made some real connections by painting with broad strokes and telling people what they do and practice and believe rather than asking.

Seems like you've really been focused on your faith during Passover this year.

[Anonymous]

Dear OP - I’ve read all of your remarks. You clearly don’t want to contact the very few churches that may conduct Seders. You want to publicly shame all Christians for something they do not do. Please try to find a good therapist -or even a learned rabbi -and have him read what you wrote here. Your behavior is not normal. You want to argue over and over about something that is not there. And even if “there” does no harm but you are unwilling to contact those few churches and tell them it is appropriation. Most rabbis will disagree with you. That is why Jews are encouraged to bring Christians and friends to both nights to share the history of Exodus with them. You argue here, on and in, because you seek attention. A good therapist or rabbi may be able to help you. That change alone will help you in your relationship with family and friends.

[Anonymous]

I find it hilarious to read a thread where people who believe myths are trying to factually debate what other myths people are allowed to believe or practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dear OP - I’ve read all of your remarks. You clearly don’t want to contact the very few churches that may conduct Seders. You want to publicly shame all Christians for something they do not do. Please try to find a good therapist -or even a learned rabbi -and have him read what you wrote here. Your behavior is not normal. You want to argue over and over about something that is not there. And even if “there” does no harm but you are unwilling to contact those few churches and tell them it is appropriation. Most rabbis will disagree with you. That is why Jews are encouraged to bring Christians and friends to both nights to share the history of Exodus with them. You argue here, on and in, because you seek attention. A good therapist or rabbi may be able to help you. That change alone will help you in your relationship with family and friends.

Ok so let me get this straight. No complaints about any Christian behavior are allowed unless ALL Christians do said thing. Otherwise, you are unfairly persecuting Christians, which is much worse than whatever the original problem was. Once you have identified those few Christians who engage in this behavior, one is only allowed to go directly to them, and not to discuss it otherwise as a general matter. Finally, if you are upset about Christian behavior that seems to appropriate and minimize Jewish faith, that is surely a mental health problem.

Do I have all of that right?

[Anonymous]

https://sicutlocutusest.com/2021/03/05/no-christian-seders-please-one-more-time/

[Anonymous]

Here's an idea. Do what the eff you want, when you want to do it, how you want to do it, and where. Call it what you want. Call yourself what you want. Stop judging everyone who celebrates what they want to celebrate. If it looks stupid to you- so what?

The religion most of you practice today, or not practice today, has evolved socially throughout time, and has changed in many ways. Religion is social and cultural, even if some people feel it is all divine. We live in a culturally blended world, and we are far more globally educated and culturally flexible. If you are going to make proclamations, consider all the secular things you thought your were doing that are really religious- like yoga or whatever. Almost none of you would be able to follow the Bible's edicts, or even understand what they really are. Are you planning to stone anyone?This thread reads like a lot of immaturity and naivete.

[Anonymous]

No,, you don’t have anything right. All you want to do is hear yourself argue over and over. This is solely attention seeking. Please talk to a therapist or a rabbi. He is she (if reform) may be able to help you with this as well as other dysfunctional relationships that you may have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No,, you don’t have anything right. All you want to do is hear yourself argue over and over. This is solely attention seeking. Please talk to a therapist or a rabbi. He is she (if reform) may be able to help you with this as well as other dysfunctional relationships that you may have.

Ask yourself why you are so threatened when certain issues get attention? Why is it so hard for you to tolerate disagreement and criticism, such that you try to get *strangers on the internet* to stop talking about it? Maybe something about your family of origen?