FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are enough quality players to support the 4-7 “elite” clubs but not if ECNL hoard kids on rosters of 27.

Kids should have the opportunity to play not the hope of it. And the same rules apply, if you are not a starter the league patch isn’t getting you into a ACC school. So it is always best to actually play and end up at the same school anyways.

No college is beating the door down for a kid who can’t even start on their own team. This has always been true.

ECNL rosters would likely stay the same (~20 until U18/19 where it is higher), if all ex-DA clubs get in. Rosters will grow if MA stays with the 4 local clubs since the opportunity for real evaluation will be minimal, and there will be a desire to give kids on both sides the benefit of the doubt. I suspect all ECNL clubs will be expected to have an RL team where unrostered players may play.

What is the point of playing for a ECNL RL? Especially if the ECNL team isn’t in the Champions league.

The dirty little secret that ECNL backers don’t like to talk about is that the actual team your DD is on matters. If you’re not on a Champions League level team you are over paying for a 2nd, 3rd or 4th tier showcase team. And if your kid isn’t even starting on that team, then you’re wasting $5,000 on ego.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: What is the point of playing for a ECNL RL? Especially if the ECNL team isn’t in the Champions league.

The dirty little secret that ECNL backers don’t like to talk about is that the actual team your DD is on matters. If you’re not on a Champions League level team you are over paying for a 2nd, 3rd or 4th tier showcase team. And if your kid isn’t even starting on that team, then you’re wasting $5,000 on ego.

We need more discussion like this detailing the realities of playing for these elite clubs. This will help dispel the idealistic myths that are baked into the marketing. This exposure, combined with the shutdown effects and uncertainties ahead for youth soccer, may shift the balance of power back towards parents to better hold clubs and leagues accountable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are enough quality players to support the 4-7 “elite” clubs but not if ECNL hoard kids on rosters of 27.

Kids should have the opportunity to play not the hope of it. And the same rules apply, if you are not a starter the league patch isn’t getting you into a ACC school. So it is always best to actually play and end up at the same school anyways.

No college is beating the door down for a kid who can’t even start on their own team. This has always been true.

ECNL rosters would likely stay the same (~20 until U18/19 where it is higher), if all ex-DA clubs get in. Rosters will grow if MA stays with the 4 local clubs since the opportunity for real evaluation will be minimal, and there will be a desire to give kids on both sides the benefit of the doubt. I suspect all ECNL clubs will be expected to have an RL team where unrostered players may play.

What is the point of playing for a ECNL RL? Especially if the ECNL team isn’t in the Champions league.

The dirty little secret that ECNL backers don’t like to talk about is that the actual team your DD is on matters. If you’re not on a Champions League level team you are over paying for a 2nd, 3rd or 4th tier showcase team. And if your kid isn’t even starting on that team, then you’re wasting $5,000 on ego.

It sounds like you don't have a player in ECNL because that's actually not completely true. Scouts come to watch players, not teams. You do get more scouts at higher levels of showcase play because some coaches are speculating on the top players (who typically don't need it). There is plenty of scout attendance at all levels in ECNL showcases.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can FCV parents stop pretending that DA was superior to ECNL. First, the only serious DA competition took place in SoCal. Everywhere else, except maybe Texas, was inferior. Even in DC, FCV was the only serious club and it was a former ECNL club. MU/WSVA was a start-up, Arlington came from CCL and BA/WSMD didn't even get Pipeline's best players. BA probably gave more waivers for private high school play than any DA club in the nation.

FCV players are better off leaving the club and joining local ECNL clubs. I am certain that players at every age group can make teams at McLean, Bethesda, BRYC, Loudoun and VDA. They might not start but they will make a team. Time to stop the silliness. ECNL is and has always beenthe big dog. You made a run to unseat the league but failed. Let it go.

With all due respect, DA was not inferior in this region either. Revisionist history.

Seriously?! You had FCV and a bunch of weak teams. FCV U18/19 could compete with McLean and MUFC but those two ECNL teams are stronger. I doubt there is a DA team on the East coast at any age level that can beat a Nationally-ranked ECNL team.

Is your kid on any of those nationally ranked ECNL teams?

No but I have seen them play. The point is that FCV parents are making the DA more than it was. If you want to argue that training is better and reason why the DA was better than ECNL, then stick to that argument but don’t try to argue that the competition was superior than the ECNL MA or NE. I watched your 05 team get hammered last years by PDA. It was so bad that FCV parents were literally fighting among themselves.

Just accept that FCV is a a strong club that because of poor relationships will not get invited to ECNL. Find an alternative and move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can FCV parents stop pretending that DA was superior to ECNL. First, the only serious DA competition took place in SoCal. Everywhere else, except maybe Texas, was inferior. Even in DC, FCV was the only serious club and it was a former ECNL club. MU/WSVA was a start-up, Arlington came from CCL and BA/WSMD didn't even get Pipeline's best players. BA probably gave more waivers for private high school play than any DA club in the nation.

FCV players are better off leaving the club and joining local ECNL clubs. I am certain that players at every age group can make teams at McLean, Bethesda, BRYC, Loudoun and VDA. They might not start but they will make a team. Time to stop the silliness. ECNL is and has always beenthe big dog. You made a run to unseat the league but failed. Let it go.

With all due respect, DA was not inferior in this region either. Revisionist history.

Seriously?! You had FCV and a bunch of weak teams. FCV U18/19 could compete with McLean and MUFC but those two ECNL teams are stronger. I doubt there is a DA team on the East coast at any age level that can beat a Nationally-ranked ECNL team.

Is your kid on any of those nationally ranked ECNL teams?

No but I have seen them play. The point is that FCV parents are making the DA more than it was. If you want to argue that training is better and reason why the DA was better than ECNL, then stick to that argument but don’t try to argue that the competition was superior than the ECNL MA or NE. I watched your 05 team get hammered last years by PDA. It was so bad that FCV parents were literally fighting among themselves.

Just accept that FCV is a a strong club that because of poor relationships will not get invited to ECNL. Find an alternative and move on.

If your kid isn’t on any nationally ranked ECNL team then your kid is just on a soccer team.

[Anonymous]

Playing in ECNL RL has the same advantages as playing in NPL does except if you end up being a top performing team, you can qualify for the Open Cup. Open Cup pits low level ECNL teams against top NPL teams in a showcase environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can FCV parents stop pretending that DA was superior to ECNL. First, the only serious DA competition took place in SoCal. Everywhere else, except maybe Texas, was inferior. Even in DC, FCV was the only serious club and it was a former ECNL club. MU/WSVA was a start-up, Arlington came from CCL and BA/WSMD didn't even get Pipeline's best players. BA probably gave more waivers for private high school play than any DA club in the nation.

FCV players are better off leaving the club and joining local ECNL clubs. I am certain that players at every age group can make teams at McLean, Bethesda, BRYC, Loudoun and VDA. They might not start but they will make a team. Time to stop the silliness. ECNL is and has always beenthe big dog. You made a run to unseat the league but failed. Let it go.

With all due respect, DA was not inferior in this region either. Revisionist history.

Seriously?! You had FCV and a bunch of weak teams. FCV U18/19 could compete with McLean and MUFC but those two ECNL teams are stronger. I doubt there is a DA team on the East coast at any age level that can beat a Nationally-ranked ECNL team.

Is your kid on any of those nationally ranked ECNL teams?

No but I have seen them play. The point is that FCV parents are making the DA more than it was. If you want to argue that training is better and reason why the DA was better than ECNL, then stick to that argument but don’t try to argue that the competition was superior than the ECNL MA or NE. I watched your 05 team get hammered last years by PDA. It was so bad that FCV parents were literally fighting among themselves.

Just accept that FCV is a a strong club that because of poor relationships will not get invited to ECNL. Find an alternative and move on.

Lmao. PDA does not legitimize the local, average ECNL clubs. In this area, one can do much worse than FCV in ECNL, just about everywhere. So, no reason to switch, really.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can FCV parents stop pretending that DA was superior to ECNL. First, the only serious DA competition took place in SoCal. Everywhere else, except maybe Texas, was inferior. Even in DC, FCV was the only serious club and it was a former ECNL club. MU/WSVA was a start-up, Arlington came from CCL and BA/WSMD didn't even get Pipeline's best players. BA probably gave more waivers for private high school play than any DA club in the nation.

FCV players are better off leaving the club and joining local ECNL clubs. I am certain that players at every age group can make teams at McLean, Bethesda, BRYC, Loudoun and VDA. They might not start but they will make a team. Time to stop the silliness. ECNL is and has always beenthe big dog. You made a run to unseat the league but failed. Let it go.

With all due respect, DA was not inferior in this region either. Revisionist history.

Seriously?! You had FCV and a bunch of weak teams. FCV U18/19 could compete with McLean and MUFC but those two ECNL teams are stronger. I doubt there is a DA team on the East coast at any age level that can beat a Nationally-ranked ECNL team.

Except for the fact that the McLean team is comprised of Ex FCV players that could never make it off the bench at FCV. I can name 5 girls on that team from FCV that left FCV because they weren't the top of the roster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Playing in ECNL RL has the same advantages as playing in NPL does except if you end up being a top performing team, you can qualify for the Open Cup. Open Cup pits low level ECNL teams against top NPL teams in a showcase environment.

ECNL RL IS NPL! That is the point. Just changing the name didn’t magically elevate the league.

People are gullible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Playing in ECNL RL has the same advantages as playing in NPL does except if you end up being a top performing team, you can qualify for the Open Cup. Open Cup pits low level ECNL teams against top NPL teams in a showcase environment.

ECNL RL IS NPL! That is the point. Just changing the name didn’t magically elevate the league.

People are gullible.

+1000

CCL/NCSL equivalent. Some people are really wowed by the shiny badges they dream up in Richmond

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Playing in ECNL RL has the same advantages as playing in NPL does except if you end up being a top performing team, you can qualify for the Open Cup. Open Cup pits low level ECNL teams against top NPL teams in a showcase environment.

ECNL RL IS NPL! That is the point. Just changing the name didn’t magically elevate the league.

People are gullible.

+1000

CCL/NCSL equivalent. Some people are really wowed by the shiny badges they dream up in Richmond

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Playing in ECNL RL has the same advantages as playing in NPL does except if you end up being a top performing team, you can qualify for the Open Cup. Open Cup pits low level ECNL teams against top NPL teams in a showcase environment.

ECNL RL IS NPL! That is the point. Just changing the name didn’t magically elevate the league.

People are gullible.

+1000

CCL/NCSL equivalent. Some people are really wowed by the shiny badges they dream up in Richmond

+1000

Girls levels: 1. ECNL 2. GAL 3. R ECNL 4. USYS National League 5. The rest
Boys levels 1. MLS 2. ECNL 3. the rest.

[Anonymous]

So you are saying FCV ex-DA players are going to embrace the second tier GAL league with open arms?

It sounds more and more like Arlington going to leverage their boys to get ECNL as an “all in” club. 14 teams in Mid Atlantic and no FCV...should be a very interesting week!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So you are saying FCV ex-DA players are going to embrace the second tier GAL league with open arms?

It sounds more and more like Arlington going to leverage their boys to get ECNL as an “all in” club. 14 teams in Mid Atlantic and no FCV...should be a very interesting week!

FCV girls will stay where they are versus going to bloated ECNL rosters.

Also, the fall season is less than certain and with VA HS soccer nullifying a ECNL spring season already ECNL May be a bad developmental option for all involved this coming year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Playing in ECNL RL has the same advantages as playing in NPL does except if you end up being a top performing team, you can qualify for the Open Cup. Open Cup pits low level ECNL teams against top NPL teams in a showcase environment.

ECNL RL IS NPL! That is the point. Just changing the name didn’t magically elevate the league.

People are gullible.

+1000

CCL/NCSL equivalent. Some people are really wowed by the shiny badges they dream up in Richmond

+1000

Girls levels: 1. ECNL 2. GAL 3. R ECNL 4. USYS National League 5. The rest
Boys levels 1. MLS 2. ECNL 3. the rest.

ECNL parents have to be the most insecure bunch I’ve ever seen.

Also, NPL was never better than USYS leagues previously, the name change didn’t change a thing.