75,000 Pro-Gun Demonstrators in Richmond For "Lobby Day"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just check out Vaguntrader.com if you SAHMs want to really get your panties in a twist.

Another example of an online classified that enables buyers to avoid background checks?

Funny you assume PPs are women/moms/SAHMs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Background checks are fine but needs to be an extremely high threshold to infringe upon the constitutional right.

How do you define "extremely high threshold"?

Convicted of a violent felony.
Currently diagnosed with a mental illness scientifically associated with a proclivity to perform violent acts.

How about the Terror Watch List?

And should background checks be required at gun shows? Online classified?

They are already required for all FFL sales whether it is at a gun show or not. I believe you are thinking of private sales.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just check out Vaguntrader.com if you SAHMs want to really get your panties in a twist.

Another example of an online classified that enables buyers to avoid background checks?

Funny you assume PPs are women/moms/SAHMs.

Lol yep. I learned to make unfounded assumptions from the far left anti gun gals of this site.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Background checks are fine but needs to be an extremely high threshold to infringe upon the constitutional right.

How do you define "extremely high threshold"?

Convicted of a violent felony.
Currently diagnosed with a mental illness scientifically associated with a proclivity to perform violent acts.

How about the Terror Watch List?

And should background checks be required at gun shows? Online classified?

They are already required for all FFL sales whether it is at a gun show or not. I believe you are thinking of private sales.

Yes. Private sales by unlicensed sellers at gun shows or via online classified ads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just check out Vaguntrader.com if you SAHMs want to really get your panties in a twist.

Another example of an online classified that enables buyers to avoid background checks?

Funny you assume PPs are women/moms/SAHMs.

Lol yep. I learned to make unfounded assumptions from the far left anti gun gals of this site.

OK - so you don't have any valid discussion points. Noted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just check out Vaguntrader.com if you SAHMs want to really get your panties in a twist.

Another example of an online classified that enables buyers to avoid background checks?

Funny you assume PPs are women/moms/SAHMs.

Lol yep. I learned to make unfounded assumptions from the far left anti gun gals of this site.

OK - so you don't have any valid discussion points. Noted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Background checks are fine but needs to be an extremely high threshold to infringe upon the constitutional right.

How do you define "extremely high threshold"?

Convicted of a violent felony.
Currently diagnosed with a mental illness scientifically associated with a proclivity to perform violent acts.

How about the Terror Watch List?

And should background checks be required at gun shows? Online classified?

They are already required for all FFL sales whether it is at a gun show or not. I believe you are thinking of private sales.

Yes. Private sales by unlicensed sellers at gun shows or via online classified ads.

The dems in congress could solve this private sale problem of yours instantly by passing a bill that will allow private citizens access to the NICS system that licensed dealers use.

Right now, I'm prohibited by federal law from calling NICS and asking them to run a background check on a person I would sell/trade a gun from my collection to. Do you get that? It's ILLEGAL for me to call the National Instant Check System phone number and request a background check on a prospective buyer.

Why? Why in God's name should it be illegal for me to use the NICS process to check a buyer?


Why is NICS only available to dealers? Why? What sense does this make? And why have democrats done NOTHING to change it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Background checks are fine but needs to be an extremely high threshold to infringe upon the constitutional right.

How do you define "extremely high threshold"?

Convicted of a violent felony.
Currently diagnosed with a mental illness scientifically associated with a proclivity to perform violent acts.

How about the Terror Watch List?

And should background checks be required at gun shows? Online classified?

They are already required for all FFL sales whether it is at a gun show or not. I believe you are thinking of private sales.

Yes. Private sales by unlicensed sellers at gun shows or via online classified ads.

The dems in congress could solve this private sale problem of yours instantly by passing a bill that will allow private citizens access to the NICS system that licensed dealers use.

Right now, I'm prohibited by federal law from calling NICS and asking them to run a background check on a person I would sell/trade a gun from my collection to. Do you get that? It's ILLEGAL for me to call the National Instant Check System phone number and request a background check on a prospective buyer.

Why? Why in God's name should it be illegal for me to use the NICS process to check a buyer?


Why is NICS only available to dealers? Why? What sense does this make? And why have democrats done NOTHING to change it?

One problem. The Ds in the House can’t pass a bill without the Rs in the Senate. McConnell is already sitting on hundreds of bills passed by the House.

Push this with your congresspeople next year when that problem is hopefully fixed.

In the meantime get an FFL yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just check out Vaguntrader.com if you SAHMs want to really get your panties in a twist.

So if these sellers are unlicensed they are not legally required to run a background check on their buyers:
https://vaguntrader.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/forums/207/1


“Buy now before government will have you on registry“

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just check out Vaguntrader.com if you SAHMs want to really get your panties in a twist.

So if these sellers are unlicensed they are not legally required to run a background check on their buyers:
https://vaguntrader.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/forums/207/1


“Buy now before government will have you on registry“

True, but as someone who uses the site. You are asking for trouble by not vetting the buyer. VA ID is mandatory and it is good to ask for a voters registration or concealed carry permit to make sure they aren’t a felon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Background checks are fine but needs to be an extremely high threshold to infringe upon the constitutional right.

How do you define "extremely high threshold"?

Convicted of a violent felony.
Currently diagnosed with a mental illness scientifically associated with a proclivity to perform violent acts.

How about the Terror Watch List?

And should background checks be required at gun shows? Online classified?

They are already required for all FFL sales whether it is at a gun show or not. I believe you are thinking of private sales.

Yes. Private sales by unlicensed sellers at gun shows or via online classified ads.

I don't want to be an FFL. I'm not in the business of selling guns, I'm a collector and trader of them. This isn't a commercial venture for me, and I shouldn't need a commercial license to be able to request a background check on someone without having to pay a FFL dealer to do a transfer for me. Because even if the buyer is paying for it, that money still comes as a loss to me since it's a factor in what someone is willing to pay.

I don't want to involve an FFL in a transaction that they have no involvement in and haven't facilitated in any way other than padding their own pocket.

The dems in congress could solve this private sale problem of yours instantly by passing a bill that will allow private citizens access to the NICS system that licensed dealers use.

Right now, I'm prohibited by federal law from calling NICS and asking them to run a background check on a person I would sell/trade a gun from my collection to. Do you get that? It's ILLEGAL for me to call the National Instant Check System phone number and request a background check on a prospective buyer.

Why? Why in God's name should it be illegal for me to use the NICS process to check a buyer?


Why is NICS only available to dealers? Why? What sense does this make? And why have democrats done NOTHING to change it?

One problem. The Ds in the House can’t pass a bill without the Rs in the Senate. McConnell is already sitting on hundreds of bills passed by the House.

Push this with your congresspeople next year when that problem is hopefully fixed.

In the meantime get an FFL yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As soon as someone can explain the procedure of how a person is put on a terror watchlist, is notified of their being on that list, and can explain how they petition how to be removed from it, we can discuss it.


But you can't. Because it's a secret list.

You're not told if you're on it. You're not told why you're on it. And there's no means to get off of it.

So when we have some openness about the watch list, then we can talk about it. Until then, nonstarter.



As for online sales of guns: 100% of guns sold through online auction or sales sites have a federal background check associated with them. Every. Single. One.


Because federal law requires the gun be shipped to a FFL, not directly to the buyer. The FFL logs it into their bound book, and transfers it to the buyer after the federal paperwork and NICS check is done, in addition to any state paperwork, if there is any.

Again, to reiterate: EVERY GUN SOLD ONLINE THROUGH A GUN AUCTION/SALE OR TRADING WEBSITE GOES THROUGH A DEALER AND HAS A BACKGROUND CHECK ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

A GUN CANNOT BE PURCHASED ONLINE AND SENT DIRECTLY TO THE BUYER. PERIOD. FULL-STOP.




Now, can we please stop with the repetitive, childish, moronic, infantile "but what about guns sold online?" questions????

You have your answer. Yet again. Enough already.

Ok. And what about the online classified? Like PP posted - VAGunTrader.com? Or armslist.com as I mentioned earlier?

Felons can buy guns via online classified with no background check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as someone can explain the procedure of how a person is put on a terror watchlist, is notified of their being on that list, and can explain how they petition how to be removed from it, we can discuss it.


But you can't. Because it's a secret list.

You're not told if you're on it. You're not told why you're on it. And there's no means to get off of it.

So when we have some openness about the watch list, then we can talk about it. Until then, nonstarter.



As for online sales of guns: 100% of guns sold through online auction or sales sites have a federal background check associated with them. Every. Single. One.


Because federal law requires the gun be shipped to a FFL, not directly to the buyer. The FFL logs it into their bound book, and transfers it to the buyer after the federal paperwork and NICS check is done, in addition to any state paperwork, if there is any.

Again, to reiterate: EVERY GUN SOLD ONLINE THROUGH A GUN AUCTION/SALE OR TRADING WEBSITE GOES THROUGH A DEALER AND HAS A BACKGROUND CHECK ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

A GUN CANNOT BE PURCHASED ONLINE AND SENT DIRECTLY TO THE BUYER. PERIOD. FULL-STOP.




Now, can we please stop with the repetitive, childish, moronic, infantile "but what about guns sold online?" questions????

You have your answer. Yet again. Enough already.

Ok. And what about the online classified? Like PP posted - VAGunTrader.com? Or armslist.com as I mentioned earlier?

Felons can buy guns via online classified with no background check.

Felons can also buy them at yard sales. Or flea markets. Or from friends. Or from family. Or from straw buyers. Or from other criminals. Or steal them. Or even build them from scratch if need be.

And it's already illegal for a felon to do all those things.


So what's your point, exactly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as someone can explain the procedure of how a person is put on a terror watchlist, is notified of their being on that list, and can explain how they petition how to be removed from it, we can discuss it.


But you can't. Because it's a secret list.

You're not told if you're on it. You're not told why you're on it. And there's no means to get off of it.

So when we have some openness about the watch list, then we can talk about it. Until then, nonstarter.



As for online sales of guns: 100% of guns sold through online auction or sales sites have a federal background check associated with them. Every. Single. One.


Because federal law requires the gun be shipped to a FFL, not directly to the buyer. The FFL logs it into their bound book, and transfers it to the buyer after the federal paperwork and NICS check is done, in addition to any state paperwork, if there is any.

Again, to reiterate: EVERY GUN SOLD ONLINE THROUGH A GUN AUCTION/SALE OR TRADING WEBSITE GOES THROUGH A DEALER AND HAS A BACKGROUND CHECK ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

A GUN CANNOT BE PURCHASED ONLINE AND SENT DIRECTLY TO THE BUYER. PERIOD. FULL-STOP.




Now, can we please stop with the repetitive, childish, moronic, infantile "but what about guns sold online?" questions????

You have your answer. Yet again. Enough already.

Ok. And what about the online classified? Like PP posted - VAGunTrader.com? Or armslist.com as I mentioned earlier?

Felons can buy guns via online classified with no background check.

Felons can also buy them at yard sales. Or flea markets. Or from friends. Or from family. Or from straw buyers. Or from other criminals. Or steal them. Or even build them from scratch if need be.

And it's already illegal for a felon to do all those things.


So what's your point, exactly?

That universal background checks will give felons fewer options to buy guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as someone can explain the procedure of how a person is put on a terror watchlist, is notified of their being on that list, and can explain how they petition how to be removed from it, we can discuss it.


But you can't. Because it's a secret list.

You're not told if you're on it. You're not told why you're on it. And there's no means to get off of it.

So when we have some openness about the watch list, then we can talk about it. Until then, nonstarter.



As for online sales of guns: 100% of guns sold through online auction or sales sites have a federal background check associated with them. Every. Single. One.


Because federal law requires the gun be shipped to a FFL, not directly to the buyer. The FFL logs it into their bound book, and transfers it to the buyer after the federal paperwork and NICS check is done, in addition to any state paperwork, if there is any.

Again, to reiterate: EVERY GUN SOLD ONLINE THROUGH A GUN AUCTION/SALE OR TRADING WEBSITE GOES THROUGH A DEALER AND HAS A BACKGROUND CHECK ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

A GUN CANNOT BE PURCHASED ONLINE AND SENT DIRECTLY TO THE BUYER. PERIOD. FULL-STOP.




Now, can we please stop with the repetitive, childish, moronic, infantile "but what about guns sold online?" questions????

You have your answer. Yet again. Enough already.

Ok. And what about the online classified? Like PP posted - VAGunTrader.com? Or armslist.com as I mentioned earlier?

Felons can buy guns via online classified with no background check.

Felons can also buy them at yard sales. Or flea markets. Or from friends. Or from family. Or from straw buyers. Or from other criminals. Or steal them. Or even build them from scratch if need be.

And it's already illegal for a felon to do all those things.


So what's your point, exactly?

That universal background checks will give felons fewer options to buy guns.

Like prescription requirements give junkies fewer options to get drugs.