75,000 Pro-Gun Demonstrators in Richmond For "Lobby Day"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Background checks are fine but needs to be an extremely high threshold to infringe upon the constitutional right.

How do you define "extremely high threshold"?

Convicted of a violent felony.
Currently diagnosed with a mental illness scientifically associated with a proclivity to perform violent acts.

How about the Terror Watch List?

And should background checks be required at gun shows? Online classified?

Terror watchlist. Feels like lack of due process, but I don’t know the details of how those watchlists are compiled. Open to it depending on more knowledge of the due diligence that goes behind these lists

Purchase path or venue is inconsequential. You either meet the stringent criteria for not being allowed to purchase or you don’t. So, yes a gun show or online purchaser must be checked, but unless they are proven to be a violent felon or violently mentally ill, then their right to purchase and bear arms shall not be infringed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I own several guns, and carry a gun every day, but I really feel sorry for most of the protesters. They are people who have simply been left behind in our current society. Do you honestly think that if you have money and can get laid that you would be hanging out with a bunch of guys dressing up like GI Joe? They are just trying to be somebody, and this is all they've got.

Kind of like all the weirdos who show up at “Women’s marches” dressed as vaginas?

Not at all like that. That was a rebuke of a vulgar “president.” And a clever one, too.

[Anonymous]

As soon as someone can explain the procedure of how a person is put on a terror watchlist, is notified of their being on that list, and can explain how they petition how to be removed from it, we can discuss it.


But you can't. Because it's a secret list.

You're not told if you're on it. You're not told why you're on it. And there's no means to get off of it.

So when we have some openness about the watch list, then we can talk about it. Until then, nonstarter.



As for online sales of guns: 100% of guns sold through online auction or sales sites have a federal background check associated with them. Every. Single. One.


Because federal law requires the gun be shipped to a FFL, not directly to the buyer. The FFL logs it into their bound book, and transfers it to the buyer after the federal paperwork and NICS check is done, in addition to any state paperwork, if there is any.

Again, to reiterate: EVERY GUN SOLD ONLINE THROUGH A GUN AUCTION/SALE OR TRADING WEBSITE GOES THROUGH A DEALER AND HAS A BACKGROUND CHECK ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

A GUN CANNOT BE PURCHASED ONLINE AND SENT DIRECTLY TO THE BUYER. PERIOD. FULL-STOP.




Now, can we please stop with the repetitive, childish, moronic, infantile "but what about guns sold online?" questions????

You have your answer. Yet again. Enough already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I own several guns, and carry a gun every day, but I really feel sorry for most of the protesters. They are people who have simply been left behind in our current society. Do you honestly think that if you have money and can get laid that you would be hanging out with a bunch of guys dressing up like GI Joe? They are just trying to be somebody, and this is all they've got.

Kind of like all the weirdos who show up at “Women’s marches” dressed as vaginas?

Not at all like that. That was a rebuke of a vulgar “president.” And a clever one, too.

It wasn't the least bit clever. Not even a little. It was, and is, stupid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the thread but I have a shallow question based on the pictures. Are gun owners as a group really that much more out of shape than the average? I was pretty surprised at the pictures. They seemed to be overwhelmingly out of shape.

2/3rds of all American adults are overweight or obese.

http://www.healthdata.org/news-release/vast-majority-american-adults-are-overweight-or-obese-and-weight-growing-problem-among

Yeah, but in the pictures I saw, it was something like 95% or higher were out of shape, and really dramatically so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You've already been provided with them several times throughout this thread. Go back and read them again. Or not. I don't care. Your questions have already been answered.

Because all you're doing now is adult-equivalent of going "what? what?" everytime someone says something. You're making a childish game of forcing people to repeat themselves.


That's over now.

These questions were not answered. And as I feared PPs are unwilling or unable to respond.

Their posts were probably deleted and/or they got 24-hr bans. Happens a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the thread but I have a shallow question based on the pictures. Are gun owners as a group really that much more out of shape than the average? I was pretty surprised at the pictures. They seemed to be overwhelmingly out of shape.

2/3rds of all American adults are overweight or obese.

http://www.healthdata.org/news-release/vast-majority-american-adults-are-overweight-or-obese-and-weight-growing-problem-among

Yeah, but in the pictures I saw, it was something like 95% or higher were out of shape, and really dramatically so.

So basically you saw two pics of people at the rally in the article you read on HuffPo, and determined that 21,250 out of 22,000 people there were morbidly obese.

Cool, cool....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the thread but I have a shallow question based on the pictures. Are gun owners as a group really that much more out of shape than the average? I was pretty surprised at the pictures. They seemed to be overwhelmingly out of shape.

2/3rds of all American adults are overweight or obese.

http://www.healthdata.org/news-release/vast-majority-american-adults-are-overweight-or-obese-and-weight-growing-problem-among

Yeah, but in the pictures I saw, it was something like 95% or higher were out of shape, and really dramatically so.

Well if you’re too fat to run away it makes sense to carry protection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Background checks are fine but needs to be an extremely high threshold to infringe upon the constitutional right.

How do you define "extremely high threshold"?

Convicted of a violent felony.
Currently diagnosed with a mental illness scientifically associated with a proclivity to perform violent acts.

How about the Terror Watch List?

And should background checks be required at gun shows? Online classified?

Terror watchlist. Feels like lack of due process, but I don’t know the details of how those watchlists are compiled. Open to it depending on more knowledge of the due diligence that goes behind these lists

Purchase path or venue is inconsequential. You either meet the stringent criteria for not being allowed to purchase or you don’t. So, yes a gun show or online purchaser must be checked, but unless they are proven to be a violent felon or violently mentally ill, then their right to purchase and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Agree with you on all points. Thanks for answering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You've already been provided with them several times throughout this thread. Go back and read them again. Or not. I don't care. Your questions have already been answered.

Because all you're doing now is adult-equivalent of going "what? what?" everytime someone says something. You're making a childish game of forcing people to repeat themselves.


That's over now.

These questions were not answered. And as I feared PPs are unwilling or unable to respond.

Their posts were probably deleted and/or they got 24-hr bans. Happens a lot.

It’s possible they were banned, but it’s been longer than 24 hrs now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As soon as someone can explain the procedure of how a person is put on a terror watchlist, is notified of their being on that list, and can explain how they petition how to be removed from it, we can discuss it.


But you can't. Because it's a secret list.

You're not told if you're on it. You're not told why you're on it. And there's no means to get off of it.

So when we have some openness about the watch list, then we can talk about it. Until then, nonstarter.



As for online sales of guns: 100% of guns sold through online auction or sales sites have a federal background check associated with them. Every. Single. One.


Because federal law requires the gun be shipped to a FFL, not directly to the buyer. The FFL logs it into their bound book, and transfers it to the buyer after the federal paperwork and NICS check is done, in addition to any state paperwork, if there is any.

Again, to reiterate: EVERY GUN SOLD ONLINE THROUGH A GUN AUCTION/SALE OR TRADING WEBSITE GOES THROUGH A DEALER AND HAS A BACKGROUND CHECK ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

A GUN CANNOT BE PURCHASED ONLINE AND SENT DIRECTLY TO THE BUYER. PERIOD. FULL-STOP.




Now, can we please stop with the repetitive, childish, moronic, infantile "but what about guns sold online?" questions????

You have your answer. Yet again. Enough already.

+1 Most of these idiots have zero idea of these processes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As soon as someone can explain the procedure of how a person is put on a terror watchlist, is notified of their being on that list, and can explain how they petition how to be removed from it, we can discuss it.


But you can't. Because it's a secret list.

You're not told if you're on it. You're not told why you're on it. And there's no means to get off of it.

So when we have some openness about the watch list, then we can talk about it. Until then, nonstarter.



As for online sales of guns: 100% of guns sold through online auction or sales sites have a federal background check associated with them. Every. Single. One.


Because federal law requires the gun be shipped to a FFL, not directly to the buyer. The FFL logs it into their bound book, and transfers it to the buyer after the federal paperwork and NICS check is done, in addition to any state paperwork, if there is any.

Again, to reiterate: EVERY GUN SOLD ONLINE THROUGH A GUN AUCTION/SALE OR TRADING WEBSITE GOES THROUGH A DEALER AND HAS A BACKGROUND CHECK ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

A GUN CANNOT BE PURCHASED ONLINE AND SENT DIRECTLY TO THE BUYER. PERIOD. FULL-STOP.




Now, can we please stop with the repetitive, childish, moronic, infantile "but what about guns sold online?" questions????

You have your answer. Yet again. Enough already.

1) The first person to respond about online sales was 01/23/2020 20:58. I kept repeating until I got an answer.

2) Please inform yourself.

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/background-checks/interstate-and-online-gun-sales/
- A recent large-scale survey found that 45% of gun owners who acquired a gun online in the past two years did so without any background check.1
- Nearly one in nine prospective gun buyers on Armslist.com (a major web platform for gun classifieds) would not have passed a background check.2
- In 2018 alone, there were 1.2 million ads on Armslist.com for firearm sales where no background check was required.3


Chill. No need to get all hysterical - it's just a conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as someone can explain the procedure of how a person is put on a terror watchlist, is notified of their being on that list, and can explain how they petition how to be removed from it, we can discuss it.


But you can't. Because it's a secret list.

You're not told if you're on it. You're not told why you're on it. And there's no means to get off of it.

So when we have some openness about the watch list, then we can talk about it. Until then, nonstarter.



As for online sales of guns: 100% of guns sold through online auction or sales sites have a federal background check associated with them. Every. Single. One.


Because federal law requires the gun be shipped to a FFL, not directly to the buyer. The FFL logs it into their bound book, and transfers it to the buyer after the federal paperwork and NICS check is done, in addition to any state paperwork, if there is any.

Again, to reiterate: EVERY GUN SOLD ONLINE THROUGH A GUN AUCTION/SALE OR TRADING WEBSITE GOES THROUGH A DEALER AND HAS A BACKGROUND CHECK ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

A GUN CANNOT BE PURCHASED ONLINE AND SENT DIRECTLY TO THE BUYER. PERIOD. FULL-STOP.




Now, can we please stop with the repetitive, childish, moronic, infantile "but what about guns sold online?" questions????

You have your answer. Yet again. Enough already.

1) The first person to respond about online sales was 01/23/2020 20:58. I kept repeating until I got an answer.

2) Please inform yourself.

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/background-checks/interstate-and-online-gun-sales/
- A recent large-scale survey found that 45% of gun owners who acquired a gun online in the past two years did so without any background check.1
- Nearly one in nine prospective gun buyers on Armslist.com (a major web platform for gun classifieds) would not have passed a background check.2
- In 2018 alone, there were 1.2 million ads on Armslist.com for firearm sales where no background check was required.3


Chill. No need to get all hysterical - it's just a conversation.

Gosh, I wonder if a neutral information source like Gifford could possibly be wrong and/or misrepresenting its alleged data source and/or if the source also could be mistaken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as someone can explain the procedure of how a person is put on a terror watchlist, is notified of their being on that list, and can explain how they petition how to be removed from it, we can discuss it.


But you can't. Because it's a secret list.

You're not told if you're on it. You're not told why you're on it. And there's no means to get off of it.

So when we have some openness about the watch list, then we can talk about it. Until then, nonstarter.



As for online sales of guns: 100% of guns sold through online auction or sales sites have a federal background check associated with them. Every. Single. One.


Because federal law requires the gun be shipped to a FFL, not directly to the buyer. The FFL logs it into their bound book, and transfers it to the buyer after the federal paperwork and NICS check is done, in addition to any state paperwork, if there is any.

Again, to reiterate: EVERY GUN SOLD ONLINE THROUGH A GUN AUCTION/SALE OR TRADING WEBSITE GOES THROUGH A DEALER AND HAS A BACKGROUND CHECK ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

A GUN CANNOT BE PURCHASED ONLINE AND SENT DIRECTLY TO THE BUYER. PERIOD. FULL-STOP.




Now, can we please stop with the repetitive, childish, moronic, infantile "but what about guns sold online?" questions????

You have your answer. Yet again. Enough already.

1) The first person to respond about online sales was 01/23/2020 20:58. I kept repeating until I got an answer.

2) Please inform yourself.

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/background-checks/interstate-and-online-gun-sales/
- A recent large-scale survey found that 45% of gun owners who acquired a gun online in the past two years did so without any background check.1
- Nearly one in nine prospective gun buyers on Armslist.com (a major web platform for gun classifieds) would not have passed a background check.2
- In 2018 alone, there were 1.2 million ads on Armslist.com for firearm sales where no background check was required.3


Chill. No need to get all hysterical - it's just a conversation.

Gosh, I wonder if a neutral information source like Gifford could possibly be wrong and/or misrepresenting its alleged data source and/or if the source also could be mistaken.

Please feel free to provide facts to dispute...

https://everytownresearch.org/unchecked/
https://everytownresearch.org/documents/2019/02/singles-unchecked-bifold-020119d.pdf/

See for yourself:

Or read about real-life example:
https://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/crime/2018/08/13/appleton-murder-suicide-robert-schmidt-escalated-10-days-assault/810055002/
"But on Jan. 7, a 19-year-old from Kaukauna received an email about a white Glock handgun he had recently listed on ArmsList.com. The potential buyer said he was interested, because he was taking a concealed carry class.

“I assume you have personally fired this gun and that it works perfectly?” the buyer asked. “You have it listed for $575, would you take $500 cash?”

The seller responded, “correct but I will take no less than 550.”

They agreed to meet in the parking lot of the Calumet Street Walmart about 7 p.m. on Jan. 8.

Before he arrived, GPS records indicate Robert sold more than $800 worth of silver at a Kimberly store, then went to a 3 p.m. counseling session.

The seller later told police that a quiet man who looked like a dad bought the gun for $550. The buyer said he wanted the gun for protection.

The transaction at Walmart took about 17 minutes, according to GPS records. "

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