First day drop off -- MD tags

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Anonymous wrote:So now you're bravely outing forth the theory that these pg people don't care about education. They're just in it for the free food and daycare?

This isn't about residence fraud. This is about you being a psychotic, racist, not very bright, disturbed person.

Hurling the race card is desperate ploy of scoundrels.

Remember the PG school board member who recently was indicted for fraud involving the USDA free school lunch program? She was also employee at the US Government Accountability Office. (You can't make this stuff up, folks.) Pathetic.

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Peegee is a lot like the DC government used to be until Barry was finally emasculated by the federal control board.

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Anonymous wrote:Car dropoffs are still running about 50% Maryland tags at my Capitol Hill public school. In from the east, dropoff, head downtown.

Yeah, I've seen that WoTP, there are some nannies with Md. tags driving kids. But on the Hill and EoTP, it's just convenient daycare for mom and they all live in Md. Not many out-of-state nannies here EoTP, and people walk to school because the schools are in compact neighborhoods. Especially with a Title 1 school with extended day, there're going to be a lot of Md. tags (and they're not nannies). I don't think one's going to see nannies dropping kids off at a Title 1 school, or a school that's highly FARMs - that's pretty much any Hill school. Ludlow-Taylor, Watkins, Amidon-Bowen come to mind. It would be good to hear about Tyler and Miner. PP, at what school are you seeing such high rates of fraud?

A significant number of the MD fraudster parents even work for the DC government. That's really rich.

Sure, that's why they do it. It's free daycare. Timing works out to be more convenient than their Maryland school for getting to work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Car dropoffs are still running about 50% Maryland tags at my Capitol Hill public school. In from the east, dropoff, head downtown.

Yeah, I've seen that WoTP, there are some nannies with Md. tags driving kids. But on the Hill and EoTP, it's just convenient daycare for mom and they all live in Md. Not many out-of-state nannies here EoTP, and people walk to school because the schools are in compact neighborhoods. Especially with a Title 1 school with extended day, there're going to be a lot of Md. tags (and they're not nannies). I don't think one's going to see nannies dropping kids off at a Title 1 school, or a school that's highly FARMs - that's pretty much any Hill school. Ludlow-Taylor, Watkins, Amidon-Bowen come to mind. It would be good to hear about Tyler and Miner. PP, at what school are you seeing such high rates of fraud?

A significant number of the MD fraudster parents even work for the DC government. That's really rich.

Sure, that's why they do it. It's free daycare. Timing works out to be more convenient than their Maryland school for getting to work.

They have no shame.

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I'm not the one whining about pg residents. You play the race card here constantly. I really don't understand do why you live in dc.

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Anonymous wrote:Car dropoffs are still running about 50% Maryland tags at my Capitol Hill public school. In from the east, dropoff, head downtown.

Yeah, I've seen that WoTP, there are some nannies with Md. tags driving kids. But on the Hill and EoTP, it's just convenient daycare for mom and they all live in Md. Not many out-of-state nannies here EoTP, and people walk to school because the schools are in compact neighborhoods. Especially with a Title 1 school with extended day, there're going to be a lot of Md. tags (and they're not nannies). I don't think one's going to see nannies dropping kids off at a Title 1 school, or a school that's highly FARMs - that's pretty much any Hill school. Ludlow-Taylor, Watkins, Amidon-Bowen come to mind. It would be good to hear about Tyler and Miner. PP, at what school are you seeing such high rates of fraud?

A significant number of the MD fraudster parents even work for the DC government. That's really rich.

Sure, that's why they do it. It's free daycare. Timing works out to be more convenient than their Maryland school for getting to work.

Before/aftercare also very expensive (comparatively) in PG. My colleague, a single mom whose daughter is in a PG school shared the rates she pays and it was far more than most DCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not the one whining about pg residents. You play the race card here constantly. I really don't understand do why you live in dc.

PP, you're intentionally ignorant. That makes you an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:Car dropoffs are still running about 50% Maryland tags at my Capitol Hill public school. In from the east, dropoff, head downtown.

Yeah, I've seen that WoTP, there are some nannies with Md. tags driving kids. But on the Hill and EoTP, it's just convenient daycare for mom and they all live in Md. Not many out-of-state nannies here EoTP, and people walk to school because the schools are in compact neighborhoods. Especially with a Title 1 school with extended day, there're going to be a lot of Md. tags (and they're not nannies). I don't think one's going to see nannies dropping kids off at a Title 1 school, or a school that's highly FARMs - that's pretty much any Hill school. Ludlow-Taylor, Watkins, Amidon-Bowen come to mind. It would be good to hear about Tyler and Miner. PP, at what school are you seeing such high rates of fraud?

A significant number of the MD fraudster parents even work for the DC government. That's really rich.

Sure, that's why they do it. It's free daycare. Timing works out to be more convenient than their Maryland school for getting to work.

Better MYOB. If one of the Maryland moms you report is LaKeysha who works at DC DMV, she’ll get really pissed and add like 50 phantom parking tickets to your car registration.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:here's my take (as someone who couldn't afford a house in a good school district, got in a charter via the lottery, moved eotp, may have to go private for middle and high school as I have no viable options past 6th grade).

if residency cheating or waitlist cheating is a problem (and I'm not convinced it is) it is not MY problem. It is a problem for school administrators. And if they don't care and I do, then perhaps I'm not at the right school for my family. You can due do diligence and mention to the administration that larla has md tags, but it is up to them to care. For your family 1) you can either afford to live in the school district or you can't (it won't kill you to pay for pk4 like the rest of the country); if you can't afford to live in the school district, you shouldn't be upset about not going to that school while someone else who can't afford to live in the school district does go to the school 2) if the charter school is cheating on waitlists and knowingly admitting md residents, you do not want to go there. The administration is just untrustworthy. perhaps you wish they had a different administration - but in any case your beef is with the corrupt administration not the residency cheaters who benefit.

That's like saying that shoplifting is not the shoplifter's fault, but rather that of the store for not controlling the problem better.

Only in Deecee.

Well, no, actually, in the context of DCUM, it's like saying shoplifting is not something the other shoppers need to be worrying about. Which, to be honest, is kind of how I feel about shoplifting, too. That's between the store and the shoplifter.

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Anonymous wrote:No. It is frustrating that you are so narrow minded and obsessed with the thought that someone is cheating you out of some thing that you already hhave. You make up boogeyman to scare you in the dark: the numbers posted for fraud investigation did NOT actually point to a ton of fraud. Quite the opposite. Families are also, as many have indicated here, sometimes fluid things. A child might be perfectly obligated to go to a dc school, and still have someone with "out of state" plates driving them thete. Either you are the kind of person who gets their jollies off of having four year olds investigated for possible residence fraud--or you are not. Which one are you?

PP, personally I think you're an idiot and a DCPS troll (which may be redundant). There is a lot of blatant residency fraud, and the principals need to be out there taking note when an out-of-state car pulls up with a kid to drop off. It's not conclusive evidence of fraud, but it sure needs a second look. Just saying that I got 2 pieces of paper from the family substantiating residence isn't enough when there's a red flag out there, i.e. a car with Md. tags dropping off a student. As previously posted, there aren't out-of-state nannies dropping off kids EoTP - over here we walk if we actually live here.

Fraud in DCPS affects all DC residents, because WE PAY FOR IT. But you probably live in Md. anyhow and wouldn't dare send your kids to the very same schools you work for. Be a public servant, get off you azz, and make sure the law is followed. Thank you.

Our EOTP nanny lives in Maryland. I look forward to all of you reporting us for residency fraud if she picks our daughter up after school in her car on cold, rainy days this winter.

Then the school should be able to dispose of any question very quickly, no?

I think anyone seeing kids alight from MD vehicles has a pretty gut impression of whether it is parents vs. grandparents or a caregiver dropping off/picking up, particularly when it happens regularly.

I'm frankly surprised at a lot of the laissez faire attitude about fraud and cheating on this board. Either certain posters are trying for themselves or someone they know and therefore want to trivialize or explain away the issue, or maybe it's just an "old DC" cultural attitude -- that folks do what they need to do and that cheating, working inside angles and taking unfair advantage are to be expected in connection with any post, service or benefit provided by the DC government.

My family isn't cheating (we got into our #2 choice in last year's lottery, but nowhere else, and not until school had already started, and this year, we only got into our #12 choice, and we stayed where we were), nor do I know anyone who I'm aware is cheating. I don't think it's "expected" that anyone's working any angles. I just don't think that a) the people observing kids being dropped off in cars with out-of-state tags actually have any idea whether that indicates that there's cheating going on or b) that if there IS some cheating, it's really that much of a problem that it's worth the level of outrage that it seems to gin up here. People who have absolutely no idea who's dropping these kids off or what the residency situation the families involved have documented to their schools is are accusing principals of not doing their jobs because they're not running license plates down. Really?

Is my kid theoretically being harmed by the fact that some kid from Maryland is in a D.C. school? I guess, theoretically. So what? There are other spots to be had. And there are other problems to worry about, especially for those of us who don't work in the DCPS or PCSB offices that are actually responsible for tracking this stuff down.

You are an ignorant troll. Mom is dropping her kids off, and mom and the kids principally live in Md. Yes, the principals have a duty to ensure that everything is operating correctly and according to law in their schools. Otherwise, that's like saying a surgeon isn't responsible for botching your operation when a resident doctor leaves sponges in your body. Be responsible.

I agree with PP -- if she's happy with where her kids are, why should she get upset if a kid from MD is in another school? Why should any of us?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:here's my take (as someone who couldn't afford a house in a good school district, got in a charter via the lottery, moved eotp, may have to go private for middle and high school as I have no viable options past 6th grade).

if residency cheating or waitlist cheating is a problem (and I'm not convinced it is) it is not MY problem. It is a problem for school administrators. And if they don't care and I do, then perhaps I'm not at the right school for my family. You can due do diligence and mention to the administration that larla has md tags, but it is up to them to care. For your family 1) you can either afford to live in the school district or you can't (it won't kill you to pay for pk4 like the rest of the country); if you can't afford to live in the school district, you shouldn't be upset about not going to that school while someone else who can't afford to live in the school district does go to the school 2) if the charter school is cheating on waitlists and knowingly admitting md residents, you do not want to go there. The administration is just untrustworthy. perhaps you wish they had a different administration - but in any case your beef is with the corrupt administration not the residency cheaters who benefit.

That's like saying that shoplifting is not the shoplifter's fault, but rather that of the store for not controlling the problem better.

Only in Deecee.

Well, no, actually, in the context of DCUM, it's like saying shoplifting is not something the other shoppers need to be worrying about. Which, to be honest, is kind of how I feel about shoplifting, too. That's between the store and the shoplifter.

In fact, a 2014 industry study showed that shoplifting and shrinkage, including thefts by employees, cost U.S. retailers $42 billion annually. Do you think that the shareholders/owners happily absorb this? No, it gets "absorbed" in the form of higher prices for consumers.

Residency fraud, which is basically a theft of slots, services and dollars from the schools, costs everyone in DC who plays by the rules. It's not just between the fraudster and the school system. It directly impacts some DC kid who may have been shut out of a preferred school because all of the spaces were taken, and it certainly costs taxpayers. Even if your child already is well-situated in school (the "I've got mine..." view), kids from outside DC divert $$ that might otherwise go to improve school libraries, or hire music teachers, engage extra remedial specialists, etc.

[Anonymous]

No one is discounting that there is some residence fraud. And the school board has taken measures to combat it. You can report people. You've talked about it so much on here, I assume you have. Of course, out of the twenty cars you've reported (I am assuming your obsessiveness would go at least that far, and that probably, 20 cars with MD plates may indeed pass down the street where your school is... if you stand there long enough) --out of the twenty cars, given the statistics we have to work with, maybe 1 or 2 of them are committing residence fraud. Maybe!! Meanwhile, you've made twenty families come up with more proof, bring more utility bills to their schools, take time off work, and made the school administration and the investigation boards process your twenty complaints. All of which, conservatively, probably cost your school a few thousand dollars that could otherwise have gone, to something else.

Fine. That's the system you want and that's the system we have.

What is less understandable is why it gives you such glee that you keep harping on it. Over and over, muttering the same pathetic sad little points to yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is discounting that there is some residence fraud. And the school board has taken measures to combat it. You can report people. You've talked about it so much on here, I assume you have. Of course, out of the twenty cars you've reported (I am assuming your obsessiveness would go at least that far, and that probably, 20 cars with MD plates may indeed pass down the street where your school is... if you stand there long enough) --out of the twenty cars, given the statistics we have to work with, maybe 1 or 2 of them are committing residence fraud. Maybe!! Meanwhile, you've made twenty families come up with more proof, bring more utility bills to their schools, take time off work, and made the school administration and the investigation boards process your twenty complaints. All of which, conservatively, probably cost your school a few thousand dollars that could otherwise have gone, to something else.

Fine. That's the system you want and that's the system we have.

What is less understandable is why it gives you such glee that you keep harping on it. Over and over, muttering the same pathetic sad little points to yourself.

What statistics?

Residency fraud is real. I know it because when my kids were at a JKLM elementary every year there were a couple of kids in each class who didn't really live at the address listed in the school directory. I know this because I was hyper-involved with the PTA, which compiled and published the directory. Playdates and birthday parties were always awkward. And these weren't kids with divorced parents, or in foster care, or being cared for by grandparents, or in the witness protection program or whatever. These were kids whose parents were hustlers, who thought the rules didn't apply to them.

At the same time, there were also kids whose parents were divorced, many of them had one parent who didn't live in DC. Many used the address of the DC parent to register for school even though they really lived with the out-of-state parent. Nobody thought that was a problem. We've even got families where the younger kids go to elementary in DC and the older kids go to middle school in Maryland. Not a problem. None of my business where the kids spend their nights.


Based on this small sample size I would estimate one in ten families at my school was committing residence fraud.

Here's the kicker: our school wasn't a Deal feeder, but these kids always ended up going on to Deal. Once a hustler always a hustler I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is discounting that there is some residence fraud. And the school board has taken measures to combat it. You can report people. You've talked about it so much on here, I assume you have. Of course, out of the twenty cars you've reported (I am assuming your obsessiveness would go at least that far, and that probably, 20 cars with MD plates may indeed pass down the street where your school is... if you stand there long enough) --out of the twenty cars, given the statistics we have to work with, maybe 1 or 2 of them are committing residence fraud. Maybe!! Meanwhile, you've made twenty families come up with more proof, bring more utility bills to their schools, take time off work, and made the school administration and the investigation boards process your twenty complaints. All of which, conservatively, probably cost your school a few thousand dollars that could otherwise have gone, to something else.

Fine. That's the system you want and that's the system we have.

What is less understandable is why it gives you such glee that you keep harping on it. Over and over, muttering the same pathetic sad little points to yourself.

What statistics?

Residency fraud is real. I know it because when my kids were at a JKLM elementary every year there were a couple of kids in each class who didn't really live at the address listed in the school directory. I know this because I was hyper-involved with the PTA, which compiled and published the directory. Playdates and birthday parties were always awkward. And these weren't kids with divorced parents, or in foster care, or being cared for by grandparents, or in the witness protection program or whatever. These were kids whose parents were hustlers, who thought the rules didn't apply to them.

At the same time, there were also kids whose parents were divorced, many of them had one parent who didn't live in DC. Many used the address of the DC parent to register for school even though they really lived with the out-of-state parent. Nobody thought that was a problem. We've even got families where the younger kids go to elementary in DC and the older kids go to middle school in Maryland. Not a problem. None of my business where the kids spend their nights.


Based on this small sample size I would estimate one in ten families at my school was committing residence fraud.

Here's the kicker: our school wasn't a Deal feeder, but these kids always ended up going on to Deal. Once a hustler always a hustler I guess.

This would be pretty consistent with an estimate I heard, that as high 10% of Deal and Wilson students don't really live in the District of Columbia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one is discounting that there is some residence fraud. And the school board has taken measures to combat it. You can report people. You've talked about it so much on here, I assume you have. Of course, out of the twenty cars you've reported (I am assuming your obsessiveness would go at least that far, and that probably, 20 cars with MD plates may indeed pass down the street where your school is... if you stand there long enough) --out of the twenty cars, given the statistics we have to work with, maybe 1 or 2 of them are committing residence fraud. Maybe!! Meanwhile, you've made twenty families come up with more proof, bring more utility bills to their schools, take time off work, and made the school administration and the investigation boards process your twenty complaints. All of which, conservatively, probably cost your school a few thousand dollars that could otherwise have gone, to something else.

Fine. That's the system you want and that's the system we have.

What is less understandable is why it gives you such glee that you keep harping on it. Over and over, muttering the same pathetic sad little points to yourself.

What statistics?

Residency fraud is real. I know it because when my kids were at a JKLM elementary every year there were a couple of kids in each class who didn't really live at the address listed in the school directory. I know this because I was hyper-involved with the PTA, which compiled and published the directory. Playdates and birthday parties were always awkward. And these weren't kids with divorced parents, or in foster care, or being cared for by grandparents, or in the witness protection program or whatever. These were kids whose parents were hustlers, who thought the rules didn't apply to them.

At the same time, there were also kids whose parents were divorced, many of them had one parent who didn't live in DC. Many used the address of the DC parent to register for school even though they really lived with the out-of-state parent. Nobody thought that was a problem. We've even got families where the younger kids go to elementary in DC and the older kids go to middle school in Maryland. Not a problem. None of my business where the kids spend their nights.


Based on this small sample size I would estimate one in ten families at my school was committing residence fraud.

Here's the kicker: our school wasn't a Deal feeder, but these kids always ended up going on to Deal. Once a hustler always a hustler I guess.

This would be pretty consistent with an estimate I heard, that as high 10% of Deal and Wilson students don't really live in the District of Columbia.

...which is very concerning, because DC elementary schools are being removed from the Deal feeder pattern to address the problem of overcrowding there.