Making time for kids? Study says quality trumps quantity

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Anonymous wrote:My aunt was a SAHM and 3 of her 5 kids have criminal records. My mother also stayed home and me and all of my siblings turned out well, no records, college educated, etc. Obviously it takes more than just having a SAHM for a child to turn out right.

Well...obviously. But whoever seriously argues that being in daycare at 6 moths old for 8 hours a day (or even younger, or even longer...) is better for a child than being home with Mom or Dad is just delusional. Sure...some don't think they have any other option than to go back to work with their baby barely being born and that's what people argue here. You do NOT have to go back to work when your child is 3 months old. If you choose to, fine. But stop justifying your choice with made up reasoning. We all know you could have stayed home but chose not to.

How wonderful for you that you are so knowledgeable about the financial situation of all working parents. Of course we can all take off as much time as we want! Why didn't I know that? Thank you for enlightening me!

Putting my student loans in forebearance (while they continue to accrue interest) and giving up the awesome healthcare that my job provides sounds like a great option for my family.

My 22 year old cousin without any real work experience who got knocked up by a married man is going to be moving back in with her parents. She'll be able to spend as much time as she wants taking care of her infant. I guess that would be a preferable situation than having a dual income family with job stability, flexible hours, and parents with graduate defrees.

Oh PP, what would I have ever done without you to tell me what I can and cannot do!

Work from home if you need the money...I know you hadn't thought of that so you're welcome.

I work from home, and I know you hadn't thought of this so you're welcome in advance - most employers require that you show you have childcare if you work from home. Working from home requires actual working, not subsidized, extended maternity leave. It's working. I had to sign a contract that shows that my child is taken care of by someone else during work hours. I know the feds do this too. So your flip solution means nothing.

But your child would be so much better off being plopped in front of the TV while you work rather than spending time with an engaged childcare provider doing language activites, crafts, etc. Children must be with their mothers (not even fathers count according to some PPs) ALL THE TIME during the FORMATIVE years or else you are having someone else raise them. There are no other options that count.

Don't forget that it is also better to spend their days in the carseat, strapped into a gross Target cart, staring glassy-eyed at Mommy drinking her Starbucks etc than engaged with an experienced childcare provider who's an expert in development of kids that age.

Again - hilarious. Why is it that I see plenty of "glassy-eyed" babies and toddlers strapped into their Target (or Wal-Mart) seats while accompanied by their non-English speaking nannies, who are usually on the phone while aimlessly walking the aisles? Why is it that most childcare providers aren't "experts in development of kids," but rather extremely poorly paid, immigrant women with little to no English language skills? Do you really think your child is somehow being stimulated in these situations?

Ahh, the racist bitch again? My kids not with a nanny, btw. High quality childcare centers absolutely do the things pp described. Or do you believe classes are pointless too?

How is pointing out that the vast majority of childcare providers don't speak English as their first language in any way "racist"? You're so ridiculous it's painful.

Not so much racist as untrue. I haven't met a single non-English speaker working at a daycare. Probably more common among nannies, but I thought we were busy laying on the histrionics about the Hell of Daycare, not the Nightmare of Nannies.

Different poster here, but I can vouch that most DC area daycare workers speak broken English.

Of course they do. I'm a WOHM and even I freely admit this. I'm not sure what kind of fantasy land the rest of you are living in, but you really need to get real.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if any of the posters so far have taken a step back, read their own posts and went "Oh wow...that person wrote something I thought was horrible - and then all I did was go back and write the same kind of judgmental, nasty, bitchy, name-calling stuff..."

Don't get mad just cause we tell it like it is,
If you really think you're not doing your infant a disservice,
Well keep taking them to daycare,
What will be will be

Interesting that you saw yourself in that post.

What I have ZERO problem with is someone saying they could never personally work and put their child in a daycare because of their own ideas or beliefs or values. No problem. What I have a TON of problem with is that same person saying that I have harmed my kid by doing so. You are absolutely entitled to your beliefs and values. You are not entitled to tell me or anyone else that because we don't share those beliefs or values or have financial constraints you don't face or are a single parent, etc. that we have harmed our children. And no, you are not entitled to an opinion when it involves children other than your own.

Plus, learn now to punctuate properly.

Actually I am entitled to an opinion about just about anything in the entire universe. You have your opinions about this as well. I am also entitled to voice my opinion whenever and where ever I want. Like in this thread. Of course if I say young kids should be with their parents working Moms don't like to hear that...that doesn't mean my opinion is wrong. It just means those Moms have a different opinion.

You are not entitled to have an opinion about me. Period. You don't know me. So if you want to say that you're entitled to an uneducated opinion based purely on ignorance, well, OK, I'll have to give that to you. I don't have an opinion about you other than the fact that you present yourself as entirely ignorant, as evidenced by the way you write and fail to punctuate. That's based on evidence.

And another poster quick to throw a random insult based on usage of English language...yes, English isn't my first language. I am doing VERY well for that. And I have an educated opinion about you now, based on the fact that you judge me without knowing me just as you claimed I did in my post...see how that goes? I guess you are entitled to an "uneducated opinion based purely on ignorance" as well, hm?

Keep going. Now you're just entertaining us.

Seriously, too damn funny. Grammar and punctuation are objective facts, not opinion. I don't have an "opinion" on the excessive use of commas and failure to use periods or line breaks. Those are rules that are easily followed. If you want to be taken seriously, learn them.

Another objective fact? Most childcare providers are not native English speakers. If you want to be taken seriously, admit the truth. It's a nice distraction for you ladies to pounce on someone based on his/her grammar and punctuation, but that's really all it is: a silly diversion to try and change the subject.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if any of the posters so far have taken a step back, read their own posts and went "Oh wow...that person wrote something I thought was horrible - and then all I did was go back and write the same kind of judgmental, nasty, bitchy, name-calling stuff..."

Don't get mad just cause we tell it like it is,
If you really think you're not doing your infant a disservice,
Well keep taking them to daycare,
What will be will be

Interesting that you saw yourself in that post.

What I have ZERO problem with is someone saying they could never personally work and put their child in a daycare because of their own ideas or beliefs or values. No problem. What I have a TON of problem with is that same person saying that I have harmed my kid by doing so. You are absolutely entitled to your beliefs and values. You are not entitled to tell me or anyone else that because we don't share those beliefs or values or have financial constraints you don't face or are a single parent, etc. that we have harmed our children. And no, you are not entitled to an opinion when it involves children other than your own.

Plus, learn now to punctuate properly.

Actually I am entitled to an opinion about just about anything in the entire universe. You have your opinions about this as well. I am also entitled to voice my opinion whenever and where ever I want. Like in this thread. Of course if I say young kids should be with their parents working Moms don't like to hear that...that doesn't mean my opinion is wrong. It just means those Moms have a different opinion.

You are not entitled to have an opinion about me. Period. You don't know me. So if you want to say that you're entitled to an uneducated opinion based purely on ignorance, well, OK, I'll have to give that to you. I don't have an opinion about you other than the fact that you present yourself as entirely ignorant, as evidenced by the way you write and fail to punctuate. That's based on evidence.

And another poster quick to throw a random insult based on usage of English language...yes, English isn't my first language. I am doing VERY well for that. And I have an educated opinion about you now, based on the fact that you judge me without knowing me just as you claimed I did in my post...see how that goes? I guess you are entitled to an "uneducated opinion based purely on ignorance" as well, hm?

Keep going. Now you're just entertaining us.

Seriously, too damn funny. Grammar and punctuation are objective facts, not opinion. I don't have an "opinion" on the excessive use of commas and failure to use periods or line breaks. Those are rules that are easily followed. If you want to be taken seriously, learn them.

Again. The first post wasn't me. I don't do weird line breaks. If you haven't noticed the first post and the following posts were two different posters you aren't very observant. Sure my comma usage isn't the best but if you KNOW someone is a foreign speaker and you still judge them for not being able to follow all English comma rules that says a ton about you.

We get it.

There is poetic poster,
Who writes like this,
and protects the children.

Then there's you. How about some English lessons before you play with the big girls?

Wow. Are you the moron who was crying "racist" a few posts back over something that clearly wasn't racist in the least? Hypocritical much?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if any of the posters so far have taken a step back, read their own posts and went "Oh wow...that person wrote something I thought was horrible - and then all I did was go back and write the same kind of judgmental, nasty, bitchy, name-calling stuff..."

Don't get mad just cause we tell it like it is,
If you really think you're not doing your infant a disservice,
Well keep taking them to daycare,
What will be will be

Interesting that you saw yourself in that post.

What I have ZERO problem with is someone saying they could never personally work and put their child in a daycare because of their own ideas or beliefs or values. No problem. What I have a TON of problem with is that same person saying that I have harmed my kid by doing so. You are absolutely entitled to your beliefs and values. You are not entitled to tell me or anyone else that because we don't share those beliefs or values or have financial constraints you don't face or are a single parent, etc. that we have harmed our children. And no, you are not entitled to an opinion when it involves children other than your own.

Plus, learn now to punctuate properly.

Actually I am entitled to an opinion about just about anything in the entire universe. You have your opinions about this as well. I am also entitled to voice my opinion whenever and where ever I want. Like in this thread. Of course if I say young kids should be with their parents working Moms don't like to hear that...that doesn't mean my opinion is wrong. It just means those Moms have a different opinion.

You are not entitled to have an opinion about me. Period. You don't know me. So if you want to say that you're entitled to an uneducated opinion based purely on ignorance, well, OK, I'll have to give that to you. I don't have an opinion about you other than the fact that you present yourself as entirely ignorant, as evidenced by the way you write and fail to punctuate. That's based on evidence.

And another poster quick to throw a random insult based on usage of English language...yes, English isn't my first language. I am doing VERY well for that. And I have an educated opinion about you now, based on the fact that you judge me without knowing me just as you claimed I did in my post...see how that goes? I guess you are entitled to an "uneducated opinion based purely on ignorance" as well, hm?

Keep going. Now you're just entertaining us.

Seriously, too damn funny. Grammar and punctuation are objective facts, not opinion. I don't have an "opinion" on the excessive use of commas and failure to use periods or line breaks. Those are rules that are easily followed. If you want to be taken seriously, learn them.

Again. The first post wasn't me. I don't do weird line breaks. If you haven't noticed the first post and the following posts were two different posters you aren't very observant. Sure my comma usage isn't the best but if you KNOW someone is a foreign speaker and you still judge them for not being able to follow all English comma rules that says a ton about you.

We get it.

There is poetic poster,
Who writes like this,
and protects the children.

Then there's you. How about some English lessons before you play with the big girls?

Wow. Are you the moron who was crying "racist" a few posts back over something that clearly wasn't racist in the least? Hypocritical much?

Yep. She's the moron for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:No different than YOUR child being raised by YOU as a SAHP, PP. If you're the same PP who's been all about the stay at home, realize that that you're suggesting similar sweeping generalizations.

Look, all anyone knows is their own experience, which is why this is so incredibly stupid. No one is going to change anyone's mind simply because someone posted their ill-informed opinion on an anonymous forum. If you haven't stayed at home, your opinion on it is ill-informed. If you haven't worked, your opinion on it is ill-informed. If you've done both, then you have something to add.

I've done both, but I'm shutting my damn mouth.

Who are you even responding to? There are a ton of "PPs" on this thread. And FYI - I've also been both a SAHM and a WOHM (currently) and am not trying to change anyone's mind about anything. But when people say ignorant things, either way, I'm going to speak up

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Notice how people derail when they have nothing of substance to say. Pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:My aunt was a SAHM and 3 of her 5 kids have criminal records. My mother also stayed home and me and all of my siblings turned out well, no records, college educated, etc. Obviously it takes more than just having a SAHM for a child to turn out right.

Well...obviously. But whoever seriously argues that being in daycare at 6 moths old for 8 hours a day (or even younger, or even longer...) is better for a child than being home with Mom or Dad is just delusional. Sure...some don't think they have any other option than to go back to work with their baby barely being born and that's what people argue here. You do NOT have to go back to work when your child is 3 months old. If you choose to, fine. But stop justifying your choice with made up reasoning. We all know you could have stayed home but chose not to.

How wonderful for you that you are so knowledgeable about the financial situation of all working parents. Of course we can all take off as much time as we want! Why didn't I know that? Thank you for enlightening me!

Putting my student loans in forebearance (while they continue to accrue interest) and giving up the awesome healthcare that my job provides sounds like a great option for my family.

My 22 year old cousin without any real work experience who got knocked up by a married man is going to be moving back in with her parents. She'll be able to spend as much time as she wants taking care of her infant. I guess that would be a preferable situation than having a dual income family with job stability, flexible hours, and parents with graduate defrees.

Oh PP, what would I have ever done without you to tell me what I can and cannot do!

Work from home if you need the money...I know you hadn't thought of that so you're welcome.

I work from home, and I know you hadn't thought of this so you're welcome in advance - most employers require that you show you have childcare if you work from home. Working from home requires actual working, not subsidized, extended maternity leave. It's working. I had to sign a contract that shows that my child is taken care of by someone else during work hours. I know the feds do this too. So your flip solution means nothing.

But your child would be so much better off being plopped in front of the TV while you work rather than spending time with an engaged childcare provider doing language activites, crafts, etc. Children must be with their mothers (not even fathers count according to some PPs) ALL THE TIME during the FORMATIVE years or else you are having someone else raise them. There are no other options that count.

Don't forget that it is also better to spend their days in the carseat, strapped into a gross Target cart, staring glassy-eyed at Mommy drinking her Starbucks etc than engaged with an experienced childcare provider who's an expert in development of kids that age.

Again - hilarious. Why is it that I see plenty of "glassy-eyed" babies and toddlers strapped into their Target (or Wal-Mart) seats while accompanied by their non-English speaking nannies, who are usually on the phone while aimlessly walking the aisles? Why is it that most childcare providers aren't "experts in development of kids," but rather extremely poorly paid, immigrant women with little to no English language skills? Do you really think your child is somehow being stimulated in these situations?

Ahh, the racist bitch again? My kids not with a nanny, btw. High quality childcare centers absolutely do the things pp described. Or do you believe classes are pointless too?

How is pointing out that the vast majority of childcare providers don't speak English as their first language in any way "racist"? You're so ridiculous it's painful.

Not so much racist as untrue. I haven't met a single non-English speaker working at a daycare. Probably more common among nannies, but I thought we were busy laying on the histrionics about the Hell of Daycare, not the Nightmare of Nannies.

Different poster here, but I can vouch that most DC area daycare workers speak broken English.

Of course they do. I'm a WOHM and even I freely admit this. I'm not sure what kind of fantasy land the rest of you are living in, but you really need to get real.

Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if any of the posters so far have taken a step back, read their own posts and went "Oh wow...that person wrote something I thought was horrible - and then all I did was go back and write the same kind of judgmental, nasty, bitchy, name-calling stuff..."

Don't get mad just cause we tell it like it is,
If you really think you're not doing your infant a disservice,
Well keep taking them to daycare,
What will be will be

Interesting that you saw yourself in that post.

What I have ZERO problem with is someone saying they could never personally work and put their child in a daycare because of their own ideas or beliefs or values. No problem. What I have a TON of problem with is that same person saying that I have harmed my kid by doing so. You are absolutely entitled to your beliefs and values. You are not entitled to tell me or anyone else that because we don't share those beliefs or values or have financial constraints you don't face or are a single parent, etc. that we have harmed our children. And no, you are not entitled to an opinion when it involves children other than your own.

Plus, learn now to punctuate properly.

Actually I am entitled to an opinion about just about anything in the entire universe. You have your opinions about this as well. I am also entitled to voice my opinion whenever and where ever I want. Like in this thread. Of course if I say young kids should be with their parents working Moms don't like to hear that...that doesn't mean my opinion is wrong. It just means those Moms have a different opinion.

You are not entitled to have an opinion about me. Period. You don't know me. So if you want to say that you're entitled to an uneducated opinion based purely on ignorance, well, OK, I'll have to give that to you. I don't have an opinion about you other than the fact that you present yourself as entirely ignorant, as evidenced by the way you write and fail to punctuate. That's based on evidence.

And another poster quick to throw a random insult based on usage of English language...yes, English isn't my first language. I am doing VERY well for that. And I have an educated opinion about you now, based on the fact that you judge me without knowing me just as you claimed I did in my post...see how that goes? I guess you are entitled to an "uneducated opinion based purely on ignorance" as well, hm?

Keep going. Now you're just entertaining us.

Seriously, too damn funny. Grammar and punctuation are objective facts, not opinion. I don't have an "opinion" on the excessive use of commas and failure to use periods or line breaks. Those are rules that are easily followed. If you want to be taken seriously, learn them.

Another objective fact? Most childcare providers are not native English speakers. If you want to be taken seriously, admit the truth. It's a nice distraction for you ladies to pounce on someone based on his/her grammar and punctuation, but that's really all it is: a silly diversion to try and change the subject.

I haven't chimed in on that aspect of daycare. You must have me confused with someone else. You're arguing with numerous people. Still having fun?

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Anonymous wrote:No different than YOUR child being raised by YOU as a SAHP, PP. If you're the same PP who's been all about the stay at home, realize that that you're suggesting similar sweeping generalizations.

Look, all anyone knows is their own experience, which is why this is so incredibly stupid. No one is going to change anyone's mind simply because someone posted their ill-informed opinion on an anonymous forum. If you haven't stayed at home, your opinion on it is ill-informed. If you haven't worked, your opinion on it is ill-informed. If you've done both, then you have something to add.

I've done both, but I'm shutting my damn mouth.

Who are you even responding to? There are a ton of "PPs" on this thread. And FYI - I've also been both a SAHM and a WOHM (currently) and am not trying to change anyone's mind about anything. But when people say ignorant things, either way, I'm going to speak up

This person:
Ah, so because your child was in a daycare where the workers spoke English (or did they?), then ALL daycares are full of native English speakers who engage the children in language activities. Gotcha.

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Anonymous wrote:No different than YOUR child being raised by YOU as a SAHP, PP. If you're the same PP who's been all about the stay at home, realize that that you're suggesting similar sweeping generalizations.

Look, all anyone knows is their own experience, which is why this is so incredibly stupid. No one is going to change anyone's mind simply because someone posted their ill-informed opinion on an anonymous forum. If you haven't stayed at home, your opinion on it is ill-informed. If you haven't worked, your opinion on it is ill-informed. If you've done both, then you have something to add.

I've done both, but I'm shutting my damn mouth.

Who are you even responding to? There are a ton of "PPs" on this thread. And FYI - I've also been both a SAHM and a WOHM (currently) and am not trying to change anyone's mind about anything. But when people say ignorant things, either way, I'm going to speak up

What's your motivation, then?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if any of the posters so far have taken a step back, read their own posts and went "Oh wow...that person wrote something I thought was horrible - and then all I did was go back and write the same kind of judgmental, nasty, bitchy, name-calling stuff..."

Don't get mad just cause we tell it like it is,
If you really think you're not doing your infant a disservice,
Well keep taking them to daycare,
What will be will be

Interesting that you saw yourself in that post.

What I have ZERO problem with is someone saying they could never personally work and put their child in a daycare because of their own ideas or beliefs or values. No problem. What I have a TON of problem with is that same person saying that I have harmed my kid by doing so. You are absolutely entitled to your beliefs and values. You are not entitled to tell me or anyone else that because we don't share those beliefs or values or have financial constraints you don't face or are a single parent, etc. that we have harmed our children. And no, you are not entitled to an opinion when it involves children other than your own.

Plus, learn now to punctuate properly.

Actually I am entitled to an opinion about just about anything in the entire universe. You have your opinions about this as well. I am also entitled to voice my opinion whenever and where ever I want. Like in this thread. Of course if I say young kids should be with their parents working Moms don't like to hear that...that doesn't mean my opinion is wrong. It just means those Moms have a different opinion.

You are not entitled to have an opinion about me. Period. You don't know me. So if you want to say that you're entitled to an uneducated opinion based purely on ignorance, well, OK, I'll have to give that to you. I don't have an opinion about you other than the fact that you present yourself as entirely ignorant, as evidenced by the way you write and fail to punctuate. That's based on evidence.

And another poster quick to throw a random insult based on usage of English language...yes, English isn't my first language. I am doing VERY well for that. And I have an educated opinion about you now, based on the fact that you judge me without knowing me just as you claimed I did in my post...see how that goes? I guess you are entitled to an "uneducated opinion based purely on ignorance" as well, hm?

Keep going. Now you're just entertaining us.

Seriously, too damn funny. Grammar and punctuation are objective facts, not opinion. I don't have an "opinion" on the excessive use of commas and failure to use periods or line breaks. Those are rules that are easily followed. If you want to be taken seriously, learn them.

Another objective fact? Most childcare providers are not native English speakers. If you want to be taken seriously, admit the truth. It's a nice distraction for you ladies to pounce on someone based on his/her grammar and punctuation, but that's really all it is: a silly diversion to try and change the subject.

I haven't chimed in on that aspect of daycare. You must have me confused with someone else. You're arguing with numerous people. Still having fun?

Again - you are not speaking to the person you think you're speaking to. Sorry this is proving difficult for you to follow, but you are also "arguing with numerous people".

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Anonymous wrote:No different than YOUR child being raised by YOU as a SAHP, PP. If you're the same PP who's been all about the stay at home, realize that that you're suggesting similar sweeping generalizations.

Look, all anyone knows is their own experience, which is why this is so incredibly stupid. No one is going to change anyone's mind simply because someone posted their ill-informed opinion on an anonymous forum. If you haven't stayed at home, your opinion on it is ill-informed. If you haven't worked, your opinion on it is ill-informed. If you've done both, then you have something to add.

I've done both, but I'm shutting my damn mouth.

Who are you even responding to? There are a ton of "PPs" on this thread. And FYI - I've also been both a SAHM and a WOHM (currently) and am not trying to change anyone's mind about anything. But when people say ignorant things, either way, I'm going to speak up

What's your motivation, then?

Only to call out people who make ridiculous assertions, no matter who they are or what their childcare arrangements are.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if any of the posters so far have taken a step back, read their own posts and went "Oh wow...that person wrote something I thought was horrible - and then all I did was go back and write the same kind of judgmental, nasty, bitchy, name-calling stuff..."

Don't get mad just cause we tell it like it is,
If you really think you're not doing your infant a disservice,
Well keep taking them to daycare,
What will be will be

Interesting that you saw yourself in that post.

What I have ZERO problem with is someone saying they could never personally work and put their child in a daycare because of their own ideas or beliefs or values. No problem. What I have a TON of problem with is that same person saying that I have harmed my kid by doing so. You are absolutely entitled to your beliefs and values. You are not entitled to tell me or anyone else that because we don't share those beliefs or values or have financial constraints you don't face or are a single parent, etc. that we have harmed our children. And no, you are not entitled to an opinion when it involves children other than your own.

Plus, learn now to punctuate properly.

Actually I am entitled to an opinion about just about anything in the entire universe. You have your opinions about this as well. I am also entitled to voice my opinion whenever and where ever I want. Like in this thread. Of course if I say young kids should be with their parents working Moms don't like to hear that...that doesn't mean my opinion is wrong. It just means those Moms have a different opinion.

You are not entitled to have an opinion about me. Period. You don't know me. So if you want to say that you're entitled to an uneducated opinion based purely on ignorance, well, OK, I'll have to give that to you. I don't have an opinion about you other than the fact that you present yourself as entirely ignorant, as evidenced by the way you write and fail to punctuate. That's based on evidence.

And another poster quick to throw a random insult based on usage of English language...yes, English isn't my first language. I am doing VERY well for that. And I have an educated opinion about you now, based on the fact that you judge me without knowing me just as you claimed I did in my post...see how that goes? I guess you are entitled to an "uneducated opinion based purely on ignorance" as well, hm?

Keep going. Now you're just entertaining us.

Seriously, too damn funny. Grammar and punctuation are objective facts, not opinion. I don't have an "opinion" on the excessive use of commas and failure to use periods or line breaks. Those are rules that are easily followed. If you want to be taken seriously, learn them.

Another objective fact? Most childcare providers are not native English speakers. If you want to be taken seriously, admit the truth. It's a nice distraction for you ladies to pounce on someone based on his/her grammar and punctuation, but that's really all it is: a silly diversion to try and change the subject.

I haven't chimed in on that aspect of daycare. You must have me confused with someone else. You're arguing with numerous people. Still having fun?

Again - you are not speaking to the person you think you're speaking to. Sorry this is proving difficult for you to follow, but you are also "arguing with numerous people".

When you quote a thread, then respond to the person directly above your post and say "you", 99.99% of the time you should be referring to the immediate PP. Let's keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:No different than YOUR child being raised by YOU as a SAHP, PP. If you're the same PP who's been all about the stay at home, realize that that you're suggesting similar sweeping generalizations.

Look, all anyone knows is their own experience, which is why this is so incredibly stupid. No one is going to change anyone's mind simply because someone posted their ill-informed opinion on an anonymous forum. If you haven't stayed at home, your opinion on it is ill-informed. If you haven't worked, your opinion on it is ill-informed. If you've done both, then you have something to add.

I've done both, but I'm shutting my damn mouth.

Who are you even responding to? There are a ton of "PPs" on this thread. And FYI - I've also been both a SAHM and a WOHM (currently) and am not trying to change anyone's mind about anything. But when people say ignorant things, either way, I'm going to speak up

What's your motivation, then?

Only to call out people who make ridiculous assertions, no matter who they are or what their childcare arrangements are.

So the ridiculous assertions that working mothers are damaging their children and don't love them enough when they put them in daycare? So we agree! I knew we could find common ground! Sometimes dialogue really does work. Have a great night!

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Anonymous wrote:Notice how people derail when they have nothing of substance to say. Pathetic.

Agreed. The "nannies who aren't native English speakers are awful for kids" poster and the "I don't speak English well but I hate being judged" poster should team up.