Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:There are over 2000 families whose children are taking a long bus ride from all over NOVA. This includes Loundoun County and Prince William County familes, just so they can send their kids to TJ. Clearly some families are quite content with a longer bus ride so that they may attend a desirable school.

So although I agree mostly what you said, we need to acknowledge that not everyone prioritizes short bus rides vs desired educational access.

KAA is most likely going to be a traditional high school with ultimately the same programming as other traditional high schools. If the programming is the same, there is no need for taxpayers to incur extra time and expense bussing kids to a school much further away. It's a distinct difference from bussing kids to TJ, which is a governor's school and has different programming than traditional high schools.

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Is now the right time to bring up the western Langley families and them being allowed a long bus ride? Not sure why the board is just picking the Oakton bus issue to fix…

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Anonymous wrote:There are over 2000 families whose children are taking a long bus ride from all over NOVA. This includes Loundoun County and Prince William County familes, just so they can send their kids to TJ. Clearly some families are quite content with a longer bus ride so that they may attend a desirable school.

So although I agree mostly what you said, we need to acknowledge that not everyone prioritizes short bus rides vs desired educational access.

And, DD did not take the test for TJ (very, very bright girl) because of the long bus ride. Chantilly family.

due.

Sounds like turning kaa into another governor's school might have been a bright alternative for western fairfax families, but that's a non starter.

The STEM programming that is being proposed kind of does that. I am not certain how the classes that they have outline tied into aviation but I am not an aviation or STEM person.

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Franklin Farm's geography does not represent the whole of those situated inside Crossfield's borders.

Some Franklin Farm families far in the west are 10 min closer to KAA than Oakton. Some Franklin Farm families near west ox live within a few min difference between KAA and Oakton. It's a very very wide neighborhood

Other communities outside live only a couple min difference between KAA and Oakton.

A couple minutes ride difference is not conderation factor for the crossfield families that do not want to move. It's a total wash given where your kid is on the bus route. My kids friends ride the bus to their current school and have pickup times up to 40 minutes apart!

But for Franklin farm families that have been so outspoken it appears to be a matter of great concern. So the commute might make sense for the part off Franklin really close to KAA, if they're driving their kids to school, but most people use the bus to begin with.

Franklin farm's location can not be used as evaluation factor for ride difference and the ride difference is not significant at all due to the nature of bus routes since they meander all over the place.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on guys! Crossfield is not asking to move to the new school like some SL family asked to move to the new school. All crossfield family is asking with no change for them and stay within boundary that they have been assigned to prior to this boundary review mass.

Why you guys hate crossfield/Oakton, no need.

The Crossfield people asking to stay are just trying to get their older kids through with no changes. Those of us with younger kids can see how Oakton will be overcrowded very soon and know our kids will have to get moved. We'd rather be at the new school than at South Lakes.

Why do you assume that everyone only has older kids?

Because if they had younger kids they'd put a little thought into it and realize the decision for their younger kids is between the new Western HS or South Lakes. Oakton is off the table for us if you have just a few brain cells to rub together and look at what's coming.

There's a ton of what ifs. You make it sound like it's a done deal.

Within south lakes current borders you have all of the development going on near the new metro stations which will expand their student population. There's a lot of cleared land around the metro with new condos and townhouses as well.

Who knows what a new board will do in the future let alone the composition of a new board.

Anyone with more than a few braincells might see this as increased density closer to south lakes builds up.

If Crossfield doesn't go to the Western HS now then Fox Mill will. South Lakes will have a ton of capacity in that case. Oakton is already projected over 100% next year. Someone else posted like 6 different very large residential developments already approved for the Oakton boundary a few pages ago - literally thousands of homes. The metro condos and townhouses pale in comparison and will yield fewer children per unit than developments further from metro. Oakton, Chantilly, and the new Western school will all be too full for Crossfield. Where do you think we'll end up?

Did you see how many new units are coming into whelie?

The 2 new 30 story condo.buildijgs just opened. That's BVLD and Marriot adding another 500 units the Issac Newton redevelopment zoned for 2100 homes per the master plan, the two office buildings are coming down for an ETA development for 1100 units. comstock has a development there with at least 421 units.

that's 4100+ units coming online shortly within south lakes current boundary, but sure let's make the sudden conclusion that crossfield is getting moved to South lakes...

Use those few braincells and you might see that south lakes may need an expansion soon.

Friend, use your brain cells - very few condo dwellers have high schoolers. Those are for young tech workers who are then going to get married, have kids, and buy your house in Franklin Farm when you age out (thus keeping your property value high - regardless of what HS it is zoned to) because it's close to where they work.

Did you read the master plan for that area?

It's high density for sure, but not all condos.

I don't live in Franklin Farm. I live on the east side of west ox with low density housing. You know the ones closer to... OAKTON

Yes, we know, you're the person in Folkstone who claims she lives much, much closer to Oakton High School (which is not even in the town of Oakton) than to KAA. Guess what? I mapped out the edges of the Crossfield Boundary to both schools and the closest house to Oakton is STILL further away from Oakton than it is to KAA. Only by a little over than a mile, so I'll give you that. HOWEVER - the closest house to KAA is 2 miles from KAA and 10 miles from Oakton HS.

Meanwhile the closest house zoned to Fox Mill and South Lakes is 3 miles from SLHS and 4.2 miles to KAA.

Don't live in folkstone, but you can have a shorter travel time to Oakton than to KAA. Also some might notice that it is possible to be districted to Crossfield but be closer to Navy! (I'm looking at you 12417 English Garden Ct!!!) School borders can get kinda wierd.

FYI having to wait multiple traffic lights to cross 7100/286 doesn't help the time calculation due to traffic density.

Go cougars!

I always thought it was weird that the part of Franklin Farm that is a straight shot down Thompson to Navy (Tuckaway, etc.) is zoned to Crossfield while Nestlewood/Rounding Run/etc are zoned to Navy.

There are historical reasons for that (political corruption basically) which residents are still suffering for 30 years later. This neighborhood is part of Franklin Glen, not Franklin Farm, but the kids are zoned for Crossfield (instead of the Franklin Glen neighborhood school, which is Lees Corner). But then the middle school is Feanklin or Carson got AAP. And the high school is Chantilly with the rest of Franklin Glen. Some. Parents have quietly been pupil placing their kids in Lees Corner for years so the kids could be with their friends from the neighborhood and nobody was giving them a hard time about it. Except that Options C and D are now trying to perpetuate this disaster by trying to move this tiny sliver of Franklin Glen from Chantilly to KAA. People have complained and hopefully they will leave it alone, the drive from that area to Chantilly talkes 5-7 minutes and nobody wants to be split off from the neighborhood.

What on earth are you talking about? Almost all of Tuckaway is Franklin Farm. Only the one little tiny part between Thompson Road and 286 is Franklin Glen. Or is that what you are trying to say? It's very challenging to follow your thoughts.

PP is clearly talking about Ashvale Dr, which should be zoned to Lees Corner. I guess someone really wanted to go to Crossfield when the boundary was set.

There actually is a small portion of Tuckaway that is part of Franklin Glen and IS zoned to Lees Corner. You can see it on the map here: https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/boundary-maps/Leescorner_ES_1.pdf

That Ashvale Dr portion is weird - they are also part of Franklin Glen, but they go to Crossfield-Franklin-Chantilly. I also don't know why they don't go to Lees Corner, it's half a street.

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Anonymous wrote:Franklin Farm's geography does not represent the whole of those situated inside Crossfield's borders.

Some Franklin Farm families far in the west are 10 min closer to KAA than Oakton. Some Franklin Farm families near west ox live within a few min difference between KAA and Oakton. It's a very very wide neighborhood

Other communities outside live only a couple min difference between KAA and Oakton.

A couple minutes ride difference is not conderation factor for the crossfield families that do not want to move. It's a total wash given where your kid is on the bus route. My kids friends ride the bus to their current school and have pickup times up to 40 minutes apart!

But for Franklin farm families that have been so outspoken it appears to be a matter of great concern. So the commute might make sense for the part off Franklin really close to KAA, if they're driving their kids to school, but most people use the bus to begin with.

Franklin farm's location can not be used as evaluation factor for ride difference and the ride difference is not significant at all due to the nature of bus routes since they meander all over the place.

You are either full of it or do not understand which homes are actually Franklin Farm. The distance to Oakton HS from the part of Franklin Farm closest to West Ox is 9-10 miles. Distance to KAA from there? 3-3.2 miles. You are also forgetting a little thing called rush hour traffic. Which commute is impacted more by that, do you think? And a bus doesn't have to "meander all over the place" when it's picking up a large number of kids from a small number of stops in one neighborhood and heading straight to the school.

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Same house

8.9 miles to Oakton, ride is 16 min.

4.5 miles to KAA, ride is 10 min.

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Anonymous wrote:Same house

8.9 miles to Oakton, ride is 16 min.

4.5 miles to KAA, ride is 10 min.

No home in actual Franklin Farm is 4.5 miles from KAA unless you are purposely choosing a longer route. Both Franklin Farm Rd and McLearen get you to Centreville Rd, and you either live close to one or the other.

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Anonymous wrote:Franklin Farm's geography does not represent the whole of those situated inside Crossfield's borders.

Some Franklin Farm families far in the west are 10 min closer to KAA than Oakton. Some Franklin Farm families near west ox live within a few min difference between KAA and Oakton. It's a very very wide neighborhood

Other communities outside live only a couple min difference between KAA and Oakton.

A couple minutes ride difference is not conderation factor for the crossfield families that do not want to move. It's a total wash given where your kid is on the bus route. My kids friends ride the bus to their current school and have pickup times up to 40 minutes apart!

But for Franklin farm families that have been so outspoken it appears to be a matter of great concern. So the commute might make sense for the part off Franklin really close to KAA, if they're driving their kids to school, but most people use the bus to begin with.

Franklin farm's location can not be used as evaluation factor for ride difference and the ride difference is not significant at all due to the nature of bus routes since they meander all over the place.

You are either full of it or do not understand which homes are actually Franklin Farm. The distance to Oakton HS from the part of Franklin Farm closest to West Ox is 9-10 miles. Distance to KAA from there? 3-3.2 miles. You are also forgetting a little thing called rush hour traffic. Which commute is impacted more by that, do you think? And a bus doesn't have to "meander all over the place" when it's picking up a large number of kids from a small number of stops in one neighborhood and heading straight to the school.

Everyone's experience is different. If you are in a lower density neighborhood your kids bus doesn't fill up in one stop. It goes all over the place until full.

I just put in Google maps how long it takes from crossfield to oakton and to kaa. For those situated near crossfield itself it's a very different story for those in Franklin farm.

Oakton 15 min. Kaa 15 min. Try it yourself. You may understand that your experience is vastly different than others.

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Anonymous wrote:Same house

8.9 miles to Oakton, ride is 16 min.

4.5 miles to KAA, ride is 10 min.

No home in actual Franklin Farm is 4.5 miles from KAA unless you are purposely choosing a longer route. Both Franklin Farm Rd and McLearen get you to Centreville Rd, and you either live close to one or the other.

Sorry meant West Ox gets you to McLearen if you live closer to that side.

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Anonymous wrote:Franklin Farm's geography does not represent the whole of those situated inside Crossfield's borders.

Some Franklin Farm families far in the west are 10 min closer to KAA than Oakton. Some Franklin Farm families near west ox live within a few min difference between KAA and Oakton. It's a very very wide neighborhood

Other communities outside live only a couple min difference between KAA and Oakton.

A couple minutes ride difference is not conderation factor for the crossfield families that do not want to move. It's a total wash given where your kid is on the bus route. My kids friends ride the bus to their current school and have pickup times up to 40 minutes apart!

But for Franklin farm families that have been so outspoken it appears to be a matter of great concern. So the commute might make sense for the part off Franklin really close to KAA, if they're driving their kids to school, but most people use the bus to begin with.

Franklin farm's location can not be used as evaluation factor for ride difference and the ride difference is not significant at all due to the nature of bus routes since they meander all over the place.

You are either full of it or do not understand which homes are actually Franklin Farm. The distance to Oakton HS from the part of Franklin Farm closest to West Ox is 9-10 miles. Distance to KAA from there? 3-3.2 miles. You are also forgetting a little thing called rush hour traffic. Which commute is impacted more by that, do you think? And a bus doesn't have to "meander all over the place" when it's picking up a large number of kids from a small number of stops in one neighborhood and heading straight to the school.

Everyone's experience is different. If you are in a lower density neighborhood your kids bus doesn't fill up in one stop. It goes all over the place until full.

I just put in Google maps how long it takes from crossfield to oakton and to kaa. For those situated near crossfield itself it's a very different story for those in Franklin farm.

Oakton 15 min. Kaa 15 min. Try it yourself. You may understand that your experience is vastly different than others.

OMG. You literally mentioned Franklin Farm in your last post. It is not a low density neighborhood right next to Crossfield. What is wrong with you? Something is off with the way you process information and communicate.

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Anonymous wrote:Franklin Farm's geography does not represent the whole of those situated inside Crossfield's borders.

Some Franklin Farm families far in the west are 10 min closer to KAA than Oakton. Some Franklin Farm families near west ox live within a few min difference between KAA and Oakton. It's a very very wide neighborhood

Other communities outside live only a couple min difference between KAA and Oakton.

A couple minutes ride difference is not conderation factor for the crossfield families that do not want to move. It's a total wash given where your kid is on the bus route. My kids friends ride the bus to their current school and have pickup times up to 40 minutes apart!

But for Franklin farm families that have been so outspoken it appears to be a matter of great concern. So the commute might make sense for the part off Franklin really close to KAA, if they're driving their kids to school, but most people use the bus to begin with.

Franklin farm's location can not be used as evaluation factor for ride difference and the ride difference is not significant at all due to the nature of bus routes since they meander all over the place.

There are several neighborhoods zoned to Crossfield west of West Ox Rd that are basically a straight shot down West Ox to McLearen -- Oakton Woods, Franklin Oaks, Glenbrooke Woods, Fox Run, the new black and white monstrosities, Stone Hill, and even parts of Franklin Farm (Dower House, Ashburton, etc.). They are all an easy, easy drive to KAA. I know there smaller communities including Folkstone east of West Ox that can claim to be equidistant to Oakton (FMW wants to stay at South Lakes) but the majority are west of West Ox.

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Anonymous wrote:Is now the right time to bring up the western Langley families and them being allowed a long bus ride? Not sure why the board is just picking the Oakton bus issue to fix…

That is regularly mentioned in the FCPS all redistricting thread and was briefly discussed in this thread, those are the Great Falls families.

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Anonymous wrote:Franklin Farm's geography does not represent the whole of those situated inside Crossfield's borders.

Some Franklin Farm families far in the west are 10 min closer to KAA than Oakton. Some Franklin Farm families near west ox live within a few min difference between KAA and Oakton. It's a very very wide neighborhood

Other communities outside live only a couple min difference between KAA and Oakton.

A couple minutes ride difference is not conderation factor for the crossfield families that do not want to move. It's a total wash given where your kid is on the bus route. My kids friends ride the bus to their current school and have pickup times up to 40 minutes apart!

But for Franklin farm families that have been so outspoken it appears to be a matter of great concern. So the commute might make sense for the part off Franklin really close to KAA, if they're driving their kids to school, but most people use the bus to begin with.

Franklin farm's location can not be used as evaluation factor for ride difference and the ride difference is not significant at all due to the nature of bus routes since they meander all over the place.

You are either full of it or do not understand which homes are actually Franklin Farm. The distance to Oakton HS from the part of Franklin Farm closest to West Ox is 9-10 miles. Distance to KAA from there? 3-3.2 miles. You are also forgetting a little thing called rush hour traffic. Which commute is impacted more by that, do you think? And a bus doesn't have to "meander all over the place" when it's picking up a large number of kids from a small number of stops in one neighborhood and heading straight to the school.

Everyone's experience is different. If you are in a lower density neighborhood your kids bus doesn't fill up in one stop. It goes all over the place until full.

I just put in Google maps how long it takes from crossfield to oakton and to kaa. For those situated near crossfield itself it's a very different story for those in Franklin farm.

Oakton 15 min. Kaa 15 min. Try it yourself. You may understand that your experience is vastly different than others.

OMG. You literally mentioned Franklin Farm in your last post. It is not a low density neighborhood right next to Crossfield. What is wrong with you? Something is off with the way you process information and communicate.

Why do you assume the low density neighborhood is franklin?

My point was with respect to " And a bus doesn't have to "meander all over the place" when it's picking up a large number of kids from a small number of stops in one neighborhood and heading straight to the school."

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Anonymous wrote:Franklin Farm's geography does not represent the whole of those situated inside Crossfield's borders.

Some Franklin Farm families far in the west are 10 min closer to KAA than Oakton. Some Franklin Farm families near west ox live within a few min difference between KAA and Oakton. It's a very very wide neighborhood

Other communities outside live only a couple min difference between KAA and Oakton.

A couple minutes ride difference is not conderation factor for the crossfield families that do not want to move. It's a total wash given where your kid is on the bus route. My kids friends ride the bus to their current school and have pickup times up to 40 minutes apart!

But for Franklin farm families that have been so outspoken it appears to be a matter of great concern. So the commute might make sense for the part off Franklin really close to KAA, if they're driving their kids to school, but most people use the bus to begin with.

Franklin farm's location can not be used as evaluation factor for ride difference and the ride difference is not significant at all due to the nature of bus routes since they meander all over the place.

You are either full of it or do not understand which homes are actually Franklin Farm. The distance to Oakton HS from the part of Franklin Farm closest to West Ox is 9-10 miles. Distance to KAA from there? 3-3.2 miles. You are also forgetting a little thing called rush hour traffic. Which commute is impacted more by that, do you think? And a bus doesn't have to "meander all over the place" when it's picking up a large number of kids from a small number of stops in one neighborhood and heading straight to the school.

Everyone's experience is different. If you are in a lower density neighborhood your kids bus doesn't fill up in one stop. It goes all over the place until full.

I just put in Google maps how long it takes from crossfield to oakton and to kaa. For those situated near crossfield itself it's a very different story for those in Franklin farm.

Oakton 15 min. Kaa 15 min. Try it yourself. You may understand that your experience is vastly different than others.

OMG. You literally mentioned Franklin Farm in your last post. It is not a low density neighborhood right next to Crossfield. What is wrong with you? Something is off with the way you process information and communicate.

Why do you assume the low density neighborhood is franklin?

My point was with respect to " And a bus doesn't have to "meander all over the place" when it's picking up a large number of kids from a small number of stops in one neighborhood and heading straight to the school."

Thanks for proving again that you have serious comprehension issues. YOU wrote a whole post about the distance not being a factor for *Franklin Farm* due to meandering bus routes. I responded with information specifically about *Franklin Farm* because that is the neighborhood YOU were talking about. Any bus going through *Franklin Farm* will pick up a large number of kids, because there are a lot of homes.

You must be infuriating to communicate with in real life.