Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think KAA is way more luxurious than Oakton HS. Oakton HS, even after it's recent renovation doesn't come close facilities wise.

I get it why Fox Mill want to go KAA, I just do not understand why the ones wanting to go to KAA are being so nasty!

Shame on the Fox Mill that attack! Kudos to Fox Mill family who stood up and do the right thing!

What Fox Mill families are attacking? The comments I see complaining about the Oakton campaign are coming from the Crossfield families that want to move and are annoyed that the Oakton families are claiming to speak for everyone in their community. I am pretty sure that the people with the map data are Crossfield families that want to go to KAA because of the long bus rides.

Fox Mill was not, and to be frank is not, expecting to be moved. Some of us would be happy to be moved but we were surprised to see Fox Mill included in 3 of the 4 scenarios.

Some vocal Fox Mill families want to get out of SLHS' IB program and into another school for AP. IB and AP being same vigorous program for college application, but taking AP can save someone college tuition since it could count for some college credit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are over 2000 families whose children are taking a long bus ride from all over NOVA. This includes Loundoun County and Prince William County familes, just so they can send their kids to TJ. Clearly some families are quite content with a longer bus ride so that they may attend a desirable school.

So although I agree mostly what you said, we need to acknowledge that not everyone prioritizes short bus rides vs desired educational access.

That's different - TJ is a choice. Those people choose to send their kids there. I bought my house before we had kids and didn't really think about the implications of the long commute to Oakton. Now that I know, I would prefer my kids go to KAA. It would make picking up/dropping off for activities much easier. It would make the drive to school easier when my kids are old enough to drive to school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are over 2000 families whose children are taking a long bus ride from all over NOVA. This includes Loundoun County and Prince William County familes, just so they can send their kids to TJ. Clearly some families are quite content with a longer bus ride so that they may attend a desirable school.

So although I agree mostly what you said, we need to acknowledge that not everyone prioritizes short bus rides vs desired educational access.

That's different - TJ is a choice. Those people choose to send their kids there. I bought my house before we had kids and didn't really think about the implications of the long commute to Oakton. Now that I know, I would prefer my kids go to KAA. It would make picking up/dropping off for activities much easier. It would make the drive to school easier when my kids are old enough to drive to school.

Sorry, some of us bought the house in crossfield because it is zoned for Oakton, knowing full well about the long bus commute, ever since my first child was 2. I don't think "didn't really think about the implication of the long commute to Oakton" qualifies you to speak for the rest of us. It's like you made a mistake and now asking the rest of us correcting it for you.

If you regret your house location, you should have moved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Franklin Farm's geography does not represent the whole of those situated inside Crossfield's borders.

Some Franklin Farm families far in the west are 10 min closer to KAA than Oakton. Some Franklin Farm families near west ox live within a few min difference between KAA and Oakton. It's a very very wide neighborhood

Other communities outside live only a couple min difference between KAA and Oakton.

A couple minutes ride difference is not conderation factor for the crossfield families that do not want to move. It's a total wash given where your kid is on the bus route. My kids friends ride the bus to their current school and have pickup times up to 40 minutes apart!

But for Franklin farm families that have been so outspoken it appears to be a matter of great concern. So the commute might make sense for the part off Franklin really close to KAA, if they're driving their kids to school, but most people use the bus to begin with.

Franklin farm's location can not be used as evaluation factor for ride difference and the ride difference is not significant at all due to the nature of bus routes since they meander all over the place.

You are either full of it or do not understand which homes are actually Franklin Farm. The distance to Oakton HS from the part of Franklin Farm closest to West Ox is 9-10 miles. Distance to KAA from there? 3-3.2 miles. You are also forgetting a little thing called rush hour traffic. Which commute is impacted more by that, do you think? And a bus doesn't have to "meander all over the place" when it's picking up a large number of kids from a small number of stops in one neighborhood and heading straight to the school.

Everyone's experience is different. If you are in a lower density neighborhood your kids bus doesn't fill up in one stop. It goes all over the place until full.

I just put in Google maps how long it takes from crossfield to oakton and to kaa. For those situated near crossfield itself it's a very different story for those in Franklin farm.

Oakton 15 min. Kaa 15 min. Try it yourself. You may understand that your experience is vastly different than others.

Again - the vast majority of kids who go to Crossfield live nowhere near Crossfield. There are elementary schools that are closer to our homes than Crossfield, too. I live closer to Oak Hill, Navy, and Fox Mill than I do to Crossfield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are over 2000 families whose children are taking a long bus ride from all over NOVA. This includes Loundoun County and Prince William County familes, just so they can send their kids to TJ. Clearly some families are quite content with a longer bus ride so that they may attend a desirable school.

So although I agree mostly what you said, we need to acknowledge that not everyone prioritizes short bus rides vs desired educational access.

That's different - TJ is a choice. Those people choose to send their kids there. I bought my house before we had kids and didn't really think about the implications of the long commute to Oakton. Now that I know, I would prefer my kids go to KAA. It would make picking up/dropping off for activities much easier. It would make the drive to school easier when my kids are old enough to drive to school.

Sorry, some of us bought the house in crossfield because it is zoned for Oakton, knowing full well about the long bus commute, ever since my first child was 2. I don't think "didn't really think about the implication of the long commute to Oakton" qualifies you to speak for the rest of us. It's like you made a mistake and now asking the rest of us correcting it for you.

If you regret your house location, you should have moved.

I was talking about my personal experience, not speaking for you. You really need to calm down and stop attacking people. You really are just reinforcing what people have been saying about the Oakton families being bullies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are over 2000 families whose children are taking a long bus ride from all over NOVA. This includes Loundoun County and Prince William County familes, just so they can send their kids to TJ. Clearly some families are quite content with a longer bus ride so that they may attend a desirable school.

So although I agree mostly what you said, we need to acknowledge that not everyone prioritizes short bus rides vs desired educational access.

That's different - TJ is a choice. Those people choose to send their kids there. I bought my house before we had kids and didn't really think about the implications of the long commute to Oakton. Now that I know, I would prefer my kids go to KAA. It would make picking up/dropping off for activities much easier. It would make the drive to school easier when my kids are old enough to drive to school.

Sorry, some of us bought the house in crossfield because it is zoned for Oakton, knowing full well about the long bus commute, ever since my first child was 2. I don't think "didn't really think about the implication of the long commute to Oakton" qualifies you to speak for the rest of us. It's like you made a mistake and now asking the rest of us correcting it for you.

If you regret your house location, you should have moved.

Also, respectfully, when I bought my house, KAA was not an option. Now it is. I have as much of a right to an opinion as you. Note I'm not attacking people.

[Anonymous]

Now KAA is a option for you. You are more than welcome to move now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are over 2000 families whose children are taking a long bus ride from all over NOVA. This includes Loundoun County and Prince William County familes, just so they can send their kids to TJ. Clearly some families are quite content with a longer bus ride so that they may attend a desirable school.

So although I agree mostly what you said, we need to acknowledge that not everyone prioritizes short bus rides vs desired educational access.

That's different - TJ is a choice. Those people choose to send their kids there. I bought my house before we had kids and didn't really think about the implications of the long commute to Oakton. Now that I know, I would prefer my kids go to KAA. It would make picking up/dropping off for activities much easier. It would make the drive to school easier when my kids are old enough to drive to school.

Sorry, some of us bought the house in crossfield because it is zoned for Oakton, knowing full well about the long bus commute, ever since my first child was 2. I don't think "didn't really think about the implication of the long commute to Oakton" qualifies you to speak for the rest of us. It's like you made a mistake and now asking the rest of us correcting it for you.

If you regret your house location, you should have moved.

Also, respectfully, when I bought my house, KAA was not an option. Now it is. I have as much of a right to an opinion as you. Note I'm not attacking people.

As my personal opinion, I want my child to receive the best education possible. Oakton is not near, TJ is even further, but I am not considering bus commute time as a factor. At least not a factor overriding school performance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are over 2000 families whose children are taking a long bus ride from all over NOVA. This includes Loundoun County and Prince William County familes, just so they can send their kids to TJ. Clearly some families are quite content with a longer bus ride so that they may attend a desirable school.

So although I agree mostly what you said, we need to acknowledge that not everyone prioritizes short bus rides vs desired educational access.

That's different - TJ is a choice. Those people choose to send their kids there. I bought my house before we had kids and didn't really think about the implications of the long commute to Oakton. Now that I know, I would prefer my kids go to KAA. It would make picking up/dropping off for activities much easier. It would make the drive to school easier when my kids are old enough to drive to school.

Sorry, some of us bought the house in crossfield because it is zoned for Oakton, knowing full well about the long bus commute, ever since my first child was 2. I don't think "didn't really think about the implication of the long commute to Oakton" qualifies you to speak for the rest of us. It's like you made a mistake and now asking the rest of us correcting it for you.

If you regret your house location, you should have moved.

Also, respectfully, when I bought my house, KAA was not an option. Now it is. I have as much of a right to an opinion as you. Note I'm not attacking people.

As my personal opinion, I want my child to receive the best education possible. Oakton is not near, TJ is even further, but I am not considering bus commute time as a factor. At least not a factor overriding school performance.

Yeah. We know. Can you stop posting now? You’re clogging the thread with your nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Franklin Farm's geography does not represent the whole of those situated inside Crossfield's borders.

Some Franklin Farm families far in the west are 10 min closer to KAA than Oakton. Some Franklin Farm families near west ox live within a few min difference between KAA and Oakton. It's a very very wide neighborhood

Other communities outside live only a couple min difference between KAA and Oakton.

A couple minutes ride difference is not conderation factor for the crossfield families that do not want to move. It's a total wash given where your kid is on the bus route. My kids friends ride the bus to their current school and have pickup times up to 40 minutes apart!

But for Franklin farm families that have been so outspoken it appears to be a matter of great concern. So the commute might make sense for the part off Franklin really close to KAA, if they're driving their kids to school, but most people use the bus to begin with.

Franklin farm's location can not be used as evaluation factor for ride difference and the ride difference is not significant at all due to the nature of bus routes since they meander all over the place.

You are either full of it or do not understand which homes are actually Franklin Farm. The distance to Oakton HS from the part of Franklin Farm closest to West Ox is 9-10 miles. Distance to KAA from there? 3-3.2 miles. You are also forgetting a little thing called rush hour traffic. Which commute is impacted more by that, do you think? And a bus doesn't have to "meander all over the place" when it's picking up a large number of kids from a small number of stops in one neighborhood and heading straight to the school.

Everyone's experience is different. If you are in a lower density neighborhood your kids bus doesn't fill up in one stop. It goes all over the place until full.

I just put in Google maps how long it takes from crossfield to oakton and to kaa. For those situated near crossfield itself it's a very different story for those in Franklin farm.

Oakton 15 min. Kaa 15 min. Try it yourself. You may understand that your experience is vastly different than others.

OMG. You literally mentioned Franklin Farm in your last post. It is not a low density neighborhood right next to Crossfield. What is wrong with you? Something is off with the way you process information and communicate.

Why do you assume the low density neighborhood is franklin?

My point was with respect to " And a bus doesn't have to "meander all over the place" when it's picking up a large number of kids from a small number of stops in one neighborhood and heading straight to the school."

Thanks for proving again that you have serious comprehension issues. YOU wrote a whole post about the distance not being a factor for *Franklin Farm* due to meandering bus routes. I responded with information specifically about *Franklin Farm* because that is the neighborhood YOU were talking about. Any bus going through *Franklin Farm* will pick up a large number of kids, because there are a lot of homes.

You must be infuriating to communicate with in real life.

That's not at all what was said. That poster pointed out that there can be as much as a 10 minute difference between driving from the east side and west side of Franklin farm.

If you put Franklin Farm into Google maps and take into account the crossfield boundary, it draws a wide geographic border. it can be as close to KAA as the west ox/286 intersection to as far as autumn crest and west ox. I just put those into Google maps and I see a 6 minute ride from the closest point and about a 10 minute drive at the other extreme. Perhaps an exaggeration for a 10 minute difference.

Now if you look at the map Google has and don't take crossfield borders into account it designates the taco bell near Carson as the closest point of Franklin farm it's a 3 minute drive but no one lives in a taco bell.

[Anonymous]

Fox Mill family can be 3.4 mil to SLHS, while 4 mil to KAA. For that reason, SLHS is closer to Fox Mill and Fox Mill should stay based on commute time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think KAA is way more luxurious than Oakton HS. Oakton HS, even after it's recent renovation doesn't come close facilities wise.

I get it why Fox Mill want to go KAA, I just do not understand why the ones wanting to go to KAA are being so nasty!

Shame on the Fox Mill that attack! Kudos to Fox Mill family who stood up and do the right thing!

What Fox Mill families are attacking? The comments I see complaining about the Oakton campaign are coming from the Crossfield families that want to move and are annoyed that the Oakton families are claiming to speak for everyone in their community. I am pretty sure that the people with the map data are Crossfield families that want to go to KAA because of the long bus rides.

Fox Mill was not, and to be frank is not, expecting to be moved. Some of us would be happy to be moved but we were surprised to see Fox Mill included in 3 of the 4 scenarios.

Some vocal Fox Mill families want to get out of SLHS' IB program and into another school for AP. IB and AP being same vigorous program for college application, but taking AP can save someone college tuition since it could count for some college credit.

OK, but that is not attacking Oakton/Crossfield families. You said "Shame on the Fox Mill attack!" This implies that the Fox Mill families are attacking Oakton/Crossfield families. Families advocating for Fox Mill to move is different then attacking other school families.

So yes, I want to leave IB. I don't think that the program works well for the vast majority of kids, which is why there are so few diplomas, and that AP works better because it is more flexible. I don't think one prepares kids better for college then the other.

And I like the new classes that they are floating for the new school, they fit nicely into my STEM oriented kids wheel house.

I can say that without it being an attack on Oakton/Crossfield families. I am happy to let the various parties from those schools talk to each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fox Mill family can be 3.4 mil to SLHS, while 4 mil to KAA. For that reason, SLHS is closer to Fox Mill and Fox Mill should stay based on commute time.

Are you threatened by Fox Mill families advocating for their kids to move to KAA? Just curious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are over 2000 families whose children are taking a long bus ride from all over NOVA. This includes Loundoun County and Prince William County familes, just so they can send their kids to TJ. Clearly some families are quite content with a longer bus ride so that they may attend a desirable school.

So although I agree mostly what you said, we need to acknowledge that not everyone prioritizes short bus rides vs desired educational access.

That's different - TJ is a choice. Those people choose to send their kids there. I bought my house before we had kids and didn't really think about the implications of the long commute to Oakton. Now that I know, I would prefer my kids go to KAA. It would make picking up/dropping off for activities much easier. It would make the drive to school easier when my kids are old enough to drive to school.

Sorry, some of us bought the house in crossfield because it is zoned for Oakton, knowing full well about the long bus commute, ever since my first child was 2. I don't think "didn't really think about the implication of the long commute to Oakton" qualifies you to speak for the rest of us. It's like you made a mistake and now asking the rest of us correcting it for you.

If you regret your house location, you should have moved.

Also, respectfully, when I bought my house, KAA was not an option. Now it is. I have as much of a right to an opinion as you. Note I'm not attacking people.

As my personal opinion, I want my child to receive the best education possible. Oakton is not near, TJ is even further, but I am not considering bus commute time as a factor. At least not a factor overriding school performance.

I hate to break it to you, but all of these schools in the area will give a high achieving student a similar level of education. It's not like we're talking about moving you to somewhere like Lewis or Mt. Vernon...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Franklin Farm's geography does not represent the whole of those situated inside Crossfield's borders.

Some Franklin Farm families far in the west are 10 min closer to KAA than Oakton. Some Franklin Farm families near west ox live within a few min difference between KAA and Oakton. It's a very very wide neighborhood

Other communities outside live only a couple min difference between KAA and Oakton.

A couple minutes ride difference is not conderation factor for the crossfield families that do not want to move. It's a total wash given where your kid is on the bus route. My kids friends ride the bus to their current school and have pickup times up to 40 minutes apart!

But for Franklin farm families that have been so outspoken it appears to be a matter of great concern. So the commute might make sense for the part off Franklin really close to KAA, if they're driving their kids to school, but most people use the bus to begin with.

Franklin farm's location can not be used as evaluation factor for ride difference and the ride difference is not significant at all due to the nature of bus routes since they meander all over the place.

You are either full of it or do not understand which homes are actually Franklin Farm. The distance to Oakton HS from the part of Franklin Farm closest to West Ox is 9-10 miles. Distance to KAA from there? 3-3.2 miles. You are also forgetting a little thing called rush hour traffic. Which commute is impacted more by that, do you think? And a bus doesn't have to "meander all over the place" when it's picking up a large number of kids from a small number of stops in one neighborhood and heading straight to the school.

Everyone's experience is different. If you are in a lower density neighborhood your kids bus doesn't fill up in one stop. It goes all over the place until full.

I just put in Google maps how long it takes from crossfield to oakton and to kaa. For those situated near crossfield itself it's a very different story for those in Franklin farm.

Oakton 15 min. Kaa 15 min. Try it yourself. You may understand that your experience is vastly different than others.

OMG. You literally mentioned Franklin Farm in your last post. It is not a low density neighborhood right next to Crossfield. What is wrong with you? Something is off with the way you process information and communicate.

Why do you assume the low density neighborhood is franklin?

My point was with respect to " And a bus doesn't have to "meander all over the place" when it's picking up a large number of kids from a small number of stops in one neighborhood and heading straight to the school."

Thanks for proving again that you have serious comprehension issues. YOU wrote a whole post about the distance not being a factor for *Franklin Farm* due to meandering bus routes. I responded with information specifically about *Franklin Farm* because that is the neighborhood YOU were talking about. Any bus going through *Franklin Farm* will pick up a large number of kids, because there are a lot of homes.

You must be infuriating to communicate with in real life.

That's not at all what was said. That poster pointed out that there can be as much as a 10 minute difference between driving from the east side and west side of Franklin farm.

If you put Franklin Farm into Google maps and take into account the crossfield boundary, it draws a wide geographic border. it can be as close to KAA as the west ox/286 intersection to as far as autumn crest and west ox. I just put those into Google maps and I see a 6 minute ride from the closest point and about a 10 minute drive at the other extreme. Perhaps an exaggeration for a 10 minute difference.

Now if you look at the map Google has and don't take crossfield borders into account it designates the taco bell near Carson as the closest point of Franklin farm it's a 3 minute drive but no one lives in a taco bell.

OK so you also do not know Franklin Farm. Autumn Crest Dr is not part of Franklin Farm. That is a separate neighborhood with no connecting street to Franklin Farm. The closest part of Franklin Farm to that road is Willow Glen Drive. There is a 6 mile difference from Willow Glen Dr to Oakton vs. Willow Glen Dr to KAA.

It is not 10 min from one side of Franklin Farm to the other unless you are talking about crossing Ffx County Parkway. And that is totally irrelevant anyway. What matters is the distance from any part of Franklin Farm to Oakton vs. KAA. There is a very clear difference.