Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its not about white kids. Its about the FARMs rate. Oakton's is absurdly low for an FCPS HS-only 13%. All the other Western area HS are more in the 30-40+ percent range.

West of Oakton there's a lot of large homes with large lots. It's hard to up those rookie farms numbers without serious redevelopment.bik sure the Oakton has community is clamoring for high density.

It can't be redeveloped. It all sits on Difficult Run which is Chesapeake watershed. The 0.5-3 acre lots will stay that way until someone manages to get them to take away the Bay watershed protections which is approximately never.

[Anonymous]

I think KAA is way more luxurious than Oakton HS. Oakton HS, even after it's recent renovation doesn't come close facilities wise.

I get it why Fox Mill want to go KAA, I just do not understand why the ones wanting to go to KAA are being so nasty!

Shame on the Fox Mill that attack! Kudos to Fox Mill family who stood up and do the right thing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Finally to the point. The attack is not about the school, is about the people who live in Oakton.

Didn't someone just posted that the house value are the same within Franklin farm regardless you are zoned to Oakton HS or not?

I guess the attack is from family living outside Franklin Farm. Those people want to move to Franklin Farm, but they can not for some weird reason.

Your posts are nonsensical and painful to read. The previous poster’s last paragraph was spot on. Some of us who live in Franklin Farm are grossed out by the entitlement being displayed by our neighbors. Can you please get it through your head that different people living in the same neighborhood can have different opinions?

This is why I asked them to please stop posting earlier. There’s obviously a language barrier.

Being anti immigrant isn't welcoming since FCPS teaches our kids to be global citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its not about white kids. Its about the FARMs rate. Oakton's is absurdly low for an FCPS HS-only 13%. All the other Western area HS are more in the 30-40+ percent range.

West of Oakton there's a lot of large homes with large lots. It's hard to up those rookie farms numbers without serious redevelopment.bik sure the Oakton has community is clamoring for high density.

It can't be redeveloped. It all sits on Difficult Run which is Chesapeake watershed. The 0.5-3 acre lots will stay that way until someone manages to get them to take away the Bay watershed protections which is approximately never.

Someone gets it! And I hate phone keyboards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its not about white kids. Its about the FARMs rate. Oakton's is absurdly low for an FCPS HS-only 13%. All the other Western area HS are more in the 30-40+ percent range.

West of Oakton there's a lot of large homes with large lots. It's hard to up those rookie farms numbers without serious redevelopment.bik sure the Oakton has community is clamoring for high density.

It can't be redeveloped. It all sits on Difficult Run which is Chesapeake watershed. The 0.5-3 acre lots will stay that way until someone manages to get them to take away the Bay watershed protections which is approximately never.

Remember water can be pressurized and go up and down hill. Sewage usually flow by gravity. So those hilly Fox Mill Road houses have Fairfax water but sewage is usually septic, that also limit density.

Of course you can build a sewage pump station, but that costs money. Dense subdivisions in western fairfax located on flat areas close to airport and use the Dulles sewage infrastructure. That's how Chantilly and Herndon get rid of their sewage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think KAA is way more luxurious than Oakton HS. Oakton HS, even after it's recent renovation doesn't come close facilities wise.

I get it why Fox Mill want to go KAA, I just do not understand why the ones wanting to go to KAA are being so nasty!

Shame on the Fox Mill that attack! Kudos to Fox Mill family who stood up and do the right thing!

What Fox Mill families are attacking? The comments I see complaining about the Oakton campaign are coming from the Crossfield families that want to move and are annoyed that the Oakton families are claiming to speak for everyone in their community. I am pretty sure that the people with the map data are Crossfield families that want to go to KAA because of the long bus rides.

Fox Mill was not, and to be frank is not, expecting to be moved. Some of us would be happy to be moved but we were surprised to see Fox Mill included in 3 of the 4 scenarios.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its not about white kids. Its about the FARMs rate. Oakton's is absurdly low for an FCPS HS-only 13%. All the other Western area HS are more in the 30-40+ percent range.

West of Oakton there's a lot of large homes with large lots. It's hard to up those rookie farms numbers without serious redevelopment.bik sure the Oakton has community is clamoring for high density.

It can't be redeveloped. It all sits on Difficult Run which is Chesapeake watershed. The 0.5-3 acre lots will stay that way until someone manages to get them to take away the Bay watershed protections which is approximately never.

Remember water can be pressurized and go up and down hill. Sewage usually flow by gravity. So those hilly Fox Mill Road houses have Fairfax water but sewage is usually septic, that also limit density.

Of course you can build a sewage pump station, but that costs money. Dense subdivisions in western fairfax located on flat areas close to airport and use the Dulles sewage infrastructure. That's how Chantilly and Herndon get rid of their sewage.

That only works if you get environmental impact clearance and with the watershed rules, they won't. The plant that sewage in that part of the county would feed into has hard caps on what it can service because it's output drains into the watershed. Also, the cost of properly removing septic systems from 1,000+ houses would drive the cost of redevelopment up to the point it wouldn't happen unless it was subsidized.

I'm not advocating one way or the other, I'm just pointing out trying to impact anything by increasing housing density in Oakton (outside of the ATT facility right on the edge that's basically Fairfax) is a non-starter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think KAA is way more luxurious than Oakton HS. Oakton HS, even after it's recent renovation doesn't come close facilities wise.

I get it why Fox Mill want to go KAA, I just do not understand why the ones wanting to go to KAA are being so nasty!

Shame on the Fox Mill that attack! Kudos to Fox Mill family who stood up and do the right thing!

We all see what you are trying to do. You're trying to make it seem as though everyone at Fox Mill ES wants to to go the new school so that Crossfield ES remains untouched. Guess what? You are wrong. There are Fox Mill families who want to stay at South Lakes and are advocating for it. There are also people from Crossfield who want to move to the new school and are advocating for that. You realize people can contact the school board on their own to express their thoughts, and there is nothing you can do about it?

I don't know how all of this is going to play out, but I can tell you that repeatedly posting lies here does not do a thing to change how the school board will vote.

[Anonymous]

I don't think the school board can do much about the FARM rate differences across the county. People live where they can afford. You end up with clusters of well off people who can afford big houses on big lots. You end up with more densely populated areas where housing is less expensive so a large number of lower SES families. You end up with MC/UMC neighborhoods with nice houses on smaller lots. The schools in those areas are going to reflect that demographic. I don't begrudge McLean or Langley or Oakton their FARMs numbers, it reflects who loves in that area.

I don't think you put kids on long bus rides so that they can attend a better off school or vice versa. I don't think that the Crossfield kids ended up at Oakton because people wanted to move there for the school. I think they were moved there to deal with overcrowding at other schools in the past. I would bet that there were people who complained about the commute when the Crossfield kids were moved to Oakton, whenever that happened.

You adjust boundaries to deal with overcrowding and try and make the boundaries make sense. Crossfield was included in this move because it makes sense to move the kids closer to their homes, not because Oakton is overcrowded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think KAA is way more luxurious than Oakton HS. Oakton HS, even after it's recent renovation doesn't come close facilities wise.

I get it why Fox Mill want to go KAA, I just do not understand why the ones wanting to go to KAA are being so nasty!

Shame on the Fox Mill that attack! Kudos to Fox Mill family who stood up and do the right thing!

What Fox Mill families are attacking? The comments I see complaining about the Oakton campaign are coming from the Crossfield families that want to move and are annoyed that the Oakton families are claiming to speak for everyone in their community. I am pretty sure that the people with the map data are Crossfield families that want to go to KAA because of the long bus rides.

Fox Mill was not, and to be frank is not, expecting to be moved. Some of us would be happy to be moved but we were surprised to see Fox Mill included in 3 of the 4 scenarios.

Fox Mill SPA numbers and membership were published with the Coates boundary study. Crossfield had SPAs but no numbers. Fox Mill SPA membership numbers total 533. The school had 135 transferring in for JIP. No JIP at Hughes/South Lakes and leave it at Carson/Western. 71% of the Fox Mill current base school to the new Western HS. 100% if there are SPA boundary changes with Crossfield.

3 SPAs west of 286=169, 32%
3 SPAs school site+2 adjacent=210, 39%
1 SPA juts into Dogwood=25
3 SPAs totaling 129 that could boundary change into Crossfield 24%. Swap with 1 or more adjacent to 286.

[Anonymous]

There are over 2000 families whose children are taking a long bus ride from all over NOVA. This includes Loundoun County and Prince William County familes, just so they can send their kids to TJ. Clearly some families are quite content with a longer bus ride so that they may attend a desirable school.

So although I agree mostly what you said, we need to acknowledge that not everyone prioritizes short bus rides vs desired educational access.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think KAA is way more luxurious than Oakton HS. Oakton HS, even after it's recent renovation doesn't come close facilities wise.

I get it why Fox Mill want to go KAA, I just do not understand why the ones wanting to go to KAA are being so nasty!

Shame on the Fox Mill that attack! Kudos to Fox Mill family who stood up and do the right thing!

What Fox Mill families are attacking? The comments I see complaining about the Oakton campaign are coming from the Crossfield families that want to move and are annoyed that the Oakton families are claiming to speak for everyone in their community. I am pretty sure that the people with the map data are Crossfield families that want to go to KAA because of the long bus rides.

Fox Mill was not, and to be frank is not, expecting to be moved. Some of us would be happy to be moved but we were surprised to see Fox Mill included in 3 of the 4 scenarios.

Fox Mill SPA numbers and membership were published with the Coates boundary study. Crossfield had SPAs but no numbers. Fox Mill SPA membership numbers total 533. The school had 135 transferring in for JIP. No JIP at Hughes/South Lakes and leave it at Carson/Western. 71% of the Fox Mill current base school to the new Western HS. 100% if there are SPA boundary changes with Crossfield.

3 SPAs west of 286=169, 32%
3 SPAs school site+2 adjacent=210, 39%
1 SPA juts into Dogwood=25
3 SPAs totaling 129 that could boundary change into Crossfield 24%. Swap with 1 or more adjacent to 286.

Please explain. I don't understand your result as it applies to boundaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are over 2000 families whose children are taking a long bus ride from all over NOVA. This includes Loundoun County and Prince William County familes, just so they can send their kids to TJ. Clearly some families are quite content with a longer bus ride so that they may attend a desirable school.

So although I agree mostly what you said, we need to acknowledge that not everyone prioritizes short bus rides vs desired educational access.

And, DD did not take the test for TJ (very, very bright girl) because of the long bus ride. Chantilly family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are over 2000 families whose children are taking a long bus ride from all over NOVA. This includes Loundoun County and Prince William County familes, just so they can send their kids to TJ. Clearly some families are quite content with a longer bus ride so that they may attend a desirable school.

So although I agree mostly what you said, we need to acknowledge that not everyone prioritizes short bus rides vs desired educational access.

And, DD did not take the test for TJ (very, very bright girl) because of the long bus ride. Chantilly family.

due.

Sounds like turning kaa into another governor's school might have been a bright alternative for western fairfax families, but that's a non starter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are over 2000 families whose children are taking a long bus ride from all over NOVA. This includes Loundoun County and Prince William County familes, just so they can send their kids to TJ. Clearly some families are quite content with a longer bus ride so that they may attend a desirable school.

So although I agree mostly what you said, we need to acknowledge that not everyone prioritizes short bus rides vs desired educational access.

I understand that. My kid is applying for TJ, even with a long bus ride. I think that there are people who are upset that the Oakton families are trying to paint a picture that they represent all of Oakton while there are Crossfield families saying that they don't. Some people are fine with the long bus rides and others are not. Objectively, I get why Crossfield could be moved. The closer boundary makes sense. I'll let the Oakton/Crossfield people advocate for their individual positions while I advocate for my position.