What if Biden does not bow out?

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Your assertion makes no sense. Biden is not an indentured servant and can drop out. Are you saying if he were to be hit by a bus, the Democratic Party would have no nominee?

And if this were true, no Democrat would be suggesting that Biden withdraw his candidacy.

There is no nationalized standard to replace a POTUS candidate on a state ballot. It would be a 50 state process that would come down to interpretations of election laws, lawsuits, judges, and eventually the Supreme Court.

For example, I just took a look at Florida's election laws. There are no provisions that outline what happens when a nominated candidate either dies prior to the November election or backs out of the race AFTER winning the state primary. Conceivably, "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" would still be printed on Florida's ballots. Absent the Florida legislature amending its election laws and the Governor signing said law, the DNC would need to try to run a write-in campaign for a new POTUS nominee. And then you're going to get tons of issues with that - is the writing legible? How is write-in done with voting machines? Etc.

So yes, I am saying the Democratic Party would effectively have no nominee in most states.

We're stuck with Biden. Accept it and move on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Democrats are in huge trouble.

If they are stuck with Biden, then they should demand that both Biden and Trump submit to a thorough battery of neurological and cognitive exam administered by an independent panel of neurologists and cognitive specialists and present the full detailed results side by side, along with demanding equal time from the media, for every word in print or second on air that they devote to Biden's "issues" they need to do the same with Trump. That would be the only sensible, fair and equitable option.

Joe has already said NO WAY. Too bad for the Parkinson’s specialist repeatedly coming to the WH. The meds typically need constant tweaking.

It's already a matter of record that he was checked for Parkinsons in February, and does not have Parkinsons and is not being treated for Parkinsons.

Then what does Biden have? I'm a lifelong democrat who is outraged by this coverup--I watched the entire debate and don't believe any of the spins (i.e. a cold, Donald talking too loud, too much international travel weeks before the debate). Biden should have not sought reelection. Period. Furthermore, Biden continuing on the ballot will destroy our chances of retaining the majority in the Senate or recovering majority in the House. He needs to pull his candidacy immediately, otherwise, the democrats are gifting the election to Trump and his cronies.

Agree 100 percent. Biden's decision to run for a second term - when he will be 86 for goodness sake - has been a gift to Trump and the Republican Party. Biden has obviously been declining for some time. Since day 1, he has been nothing like the man he was when he was Obama's VP. And after last week's debate, the entire planet can see that Biden no longer has the cognitive ability to be President - whether it's dementia or Parkinson's or something else doesn't matter. 81 year old Joe Biden has no business being in the Oval Office now much less for another four years.

But it's too late for there to be another candidate. Getting Democrats to agree on a single candidate will be impossible. Any candidate simply appointed unilaterally by a plurality of delegates at the convention will blow up what remains of a tenuous coalition. Plus the logistics of getting a new name on the ballot. And the fundraising, staffing etc necessary to run a presidential campaign. It's too late.

Trump will be president again. And Republicans will control both the Senate and the House. And it's entirely the fault of Biden, his family, and the Democratic leadership that supported such an absurd decision. Their arrogance is breathtaking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Your assertion makes no sense. Biden is not an indentured servant and can drop out. Are you saying if he were to be hit by a bus, the Democratic Party would have no nominee?

And if this were true, no Democrat would be suggesting that Biden withdraw his candidacy.

There is no nationalized standard to replace a POTUS candidate on a state ballot. It would be a 50 state process that would come down to interpretations of election laws, lawsuits, judges, and eventually the Supreme Court.

For example, I just took a look at Florida's election laws. There are no provisions that outline what happens when a nominated candidate either dies prior to the November election or backs out of the race AFTER winning the state primary. Conceivably, "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" would still be printed on Florida's ballots. Absent the Florida legislature amending its election laws and the Governor signing said law, the DNC would need to try to run a write-in campaign for a new POTUS nominee. And then you're going to get tons of issues with that - is the writing legible? How is write-in done with voting machines? Etc.

So yes, I am saying the Democratic Party would effectively have no nominee in most states.

We're stuck with Biden. Accept it and move on.

If we are stuck with Biden, then can you explain how the 1968 Democratic National Convention was able to appoint a new candidate? That convention took place August 26 to August 29, 1968.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Your assertion makes no sense. Biden is not an indentured servant and can drop out. Are you saying if he were to be hit by a bus, the Democratic Party would have no nominee?

And if this were true, no Democrat would be suggesting that Biden withdraw his candidacy.

It's not true. The Heritage Foundation threatened lawsuits but they were called out as the deadlines for those states have not passed. For example they claim the deadline for Nevada has already passed, but the Las Vegas Review Journal reports the party has until September 3rd.

Remember it is in the interest of conservatives to suggest Biden can't be replaced. Number 1 they know Trump will beat him and number 2 it would mean Biden is staying because he absolutely has to.

Nevada is definitely one of the easier states for the DNC to replace Biden, but only because they amended their election laws in 2023 to add clarity about dates for which parties must name their candidate for the November election. It gets very messy after September 3, even in the case where Biden passed away in office but prior to Election Day.

Very good read:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/could-joe-biden-be-replaced-on-nevadas-ballot-3081017

Now multiply this by 49 other states, each with their own set of election laws.

[Anonymous]

National Review has an article out saying the effort to drop Biden is starting to feel like the Never Trump effort - and they should know what the Never Trump effort feels like. How can so many people dislike both these men as potential presidents and yet here we are? I voted in the primaries, I did my bit, and it doesn't matter. And I was far from the only one.

[Anonymous]

If Biden does not bow out, I would vote Republican all through the ballot. Democrats deserve Trump if they have Biden on the ballot.

Biden is just as narcissistic as Trump. Is he the only person who can stop Trump?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Your assertion makes no sense. Biden is not an indentured servant and can drop out. Are you saying if he were to be hit by a bus, the Democratic Party would have no nominee?

And if this were true, no Democrat would be suggesting that Biden withdraw his candidacy.

There is no nationalized standard to replace a POTUS candidate on a state ballot. It would be a 50 state process that would come down to interpretations of election laws, lawsuits, judges, and eventually the Supreme Court.

For example, I just took a look at Florida's election laws. There are no provisions that outline what happens when a nominated candidate either dies prior to the November election or backs out of the race AFTER winning the state primary. Conceivably, "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" would still be printed on Florida's ballots. Absent the Florida legislature amending its election laws and the Governor signing said law, the DNC would need to try to run a write-in campaign for a new POTUS nominee. And then you're going to get tons of issues with that - is the writing legible? How is write-in done with voting machines? Etc.

So yes, I am saying the Democratic Party would effectively have no nominee in most states.

We're stuck with Biden. Accept it and move on.

If we are stuck with Biden, then the easy choise is Trump. Thank you!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hear from a lot of Dems that while it is regrettable, Joe is the only one who can win because voters won't go for Kamala, Liz Warren, Mayor Pete and so on. My question is how stupid do Democrats think their fellow voters are that the only guy who can get out their vote is this senile old husk?
And before you chime in with "but Trump", I'll inform you that every conservative I know finds Trump's demeanor embarrassing, but we recognize the reasons why he is so popular. It's BECAUSE he makes you all so mad that people feel the need to festoon their cars, houses and boats with flags bearing his name. It's not out of worship for the man, it's because it's a middle finger in your eye.
I would prefer a more dignified conservative candidate but they have never gotten anywhere because they rarely have any fighting spirit. So we are stuck with the buffoon who fights. But what does Biden have that makes him the winner, to the point where the other candidates mysteriously dropped out to pave the way for him in 2020? What's the attraction that makes him the most popular Democrat of all time, vote-wise? Tell me.

1. Decades of hands on experience at the highest levels of government.

2. He can relate to most average Americans due to his working class upbringing in Scranton. Lunch pail Joe knows the struggles, and wants to make the country better by building the middle out.

3. He so impressed the best president the country ever had (before him) that he was selected to be his vice president.

4. His immigration policies are fair, humane and not racist.

5. A win in 2024 will result in the rich finally paying their fair share of taxes.

6. His charm, humility, intelligence and magnetic personality contrast sharply with his Rethuglicans opponent.

7. Little, to no, turnover in his cabinet shows that he is a respected and fair leader. This has resulted in a mile long list of presidential accomplishments.

8. He is sincerely concerned with saving our natural environment, and his policies (renewables, electric vehicles) reflects that dedication.

9. He has brought respect and admiration back to the USA. During Drumpf’s time, the country was not liked nor respected by the politicians and citizens of other nations.

10. He will stop Project 2025 dead in its tracks.

Also after all these years people KNOW Biden. We don't have to guess at who he is or what it would be like if he were in government.

Why is he more popular than Harris, Warren, or Mayor Pete? People just like him more.

My in laws are working class white voters who used to be Republicans. I was talking to them about Harris the other day. They told me as upset as they are about the debate - they, like me, turned it off a few minutes away and have felt sick ever since - they will still vote for Biden.

I asked if they would vote for Harris if she were the nominee. They said no. People just don't like her - it's not fair, it's not right, it's also stupid because I don't know a single one of us thinks that Biden can actually stay in office for another four years (something that breaks my heart; I feel attached to him). But that is how they feel and I think they are far from alone in that.

Not sure where all this love for Biden is coming from. He won in 2020 to oust Trump. There were a lot of reluctant voters then but he was the only path out. His age was a concern in 2020 but he made a huge song and dance about being a transitional president.

Biden passed some great legislation which will benefit the U.S. economy in years to come. He has been a successful president but he’s got plenty of flaws. And now he’s gone from being old to just too old.

Harris may not be charismatic and inspiring but she’ll look excellent compared to Trump. She’s competent and the Democratic Party should probably rally around her and a safe white male if they really think democracy is at stake.

Great message!

Can I get a job also at the DNC Disinformation Governance Board? I asked Nina Jankowicz, but apparently didn't make the cut.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Democrats are in huge trouble.

If they are stuck with Biden, then they should demand that both Biden and Trump submit to a thorough battery of neurological and cognitive exam administered by an independent panel of neurologists and cognitive specialists and present the full detailed results side by side, along with demanding equal time from the media, for every word in print or second on air that they devote to Biden's "issues" they need to do the same with Trump. That would be the only sensible, fair and equitable option.

Joe has already said NO WAY. Too bad for the Parkinson’s specialist repeatedly coming to the WH. The meds typically need constant tweaking.

It's already a matter of record that he was checked for Parkinsons in February, and does not have Parkinsons and is not being treated for Parkinsons.

Then what does Biden have? I'm a lifelong democrat who is outraged by this coverup--I watched the entire debate and don't believe any of the spins (i.e. a cold, Donald talking too loud, too much international travel weeks before the debate). Biden should have not sought reelection. Period. Furthermore, Biden continuing on the ballot will destroy our chances of retaining the majority in the Senate or recovering majority in the House. He needs to pull his candidacy immediately, otherwise, the democrats are gifting the election to Trump and his cronies.

Agree 100 percent. Biden's decision to run for a second term - when he will be 86 for goodness sake - has been a gift to Trump and the Republican Party. Biden has obviously been declining for some time. Since day 1, he has been nothing like the man he was when he was Obama's VP. And after last week's debate, the entire planet can see that Biden no longer has the cognitive ability to be President - whether it's dementia or Parkinson's or something else doesn't matter. 81 year old Joe Biden has no business being in the Oval Office now much less for another four years.

But it's too late for there to be another candidate. Getting Democrats to agree on a single candidate will be impossible. Any candidate simply appointed unilaterally by a plurality of delegates at the convention will blow up what remains of a tenuous coalition. Plus the logistics of getting a new name on the ballot. And the fundraising, staffing etc necessary to run a presidential campaign. It's too late.

Trump will be president again. And Republicans will control both the Senate and the House. And it's entirely the fault of Biden, his family, and the Democratic leadership that supported such an absurd decision. Their arrogance is breathtaking.

Did you forget that if elected, Trump will be as old as Biden, and that he is also showing clear signs of serious mental degradation?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Democrats are in huge trouble.

If they are stuck with Biden, then they should demand that both Biden and Trump submit to a thorough battery of neurological and cognitive exam administered by an independent panel of neurologists and cognitive specialists and present the full detailed results side by side, along with demanding equal time from the media, for every word in print or second on air that they devote to Biden's "issues" they need to do the same with Trump. That would be the only sensible, fair and equitable option.

Joe has already said NO WAY. Too bad for the Parkinson’s specialist repeatedly coming to the WH. The meds typically need constant tweaking.

It's already a matter of record that he was checked for Parkinsons in February, and does not have Parkinsons and is not being treated for Parkinsons.

Then what does Biden have? I'm a lifelong democrat who is outraged by this coverup--I watched the entire debate and don't believe any of the spins (i.e. a cold, Donald talking too loud, too much international travel weeks before the debate). Biden should have not sought reelection. Period. Furthermore, Biden continuing on the ballot will destroy our chances of retaining the majority in the Senate or recovering majority in the House. He needs to pull his candidacy immediately, otherwise, the democrats are gifting the election to Trump and his cronies.

Agree 100 percent. Biden's decision to run for a second term - when he will be 86 for goodness sake - has been a gift to Trump and the Republican Party. Biden has obviously been declining for some time. Since day 1, he has been nothing like the man he was when he was Obama's VP. And after last week's debate, the entire planet can see that Biden no longer has the cognitive ability to be President - whether it's dementia or Parkinson's or something else doesn't matter. 81 year old Joe Biden has no business being in the Oval Office now much less for another four years.

But it's too late for there to be another candidate. Getting Democrats to agree on a single candidate will be impossible. Any candidate simply appointed unilaterally by a plurality of delegates at the convention will blow up what remains of a tenuous coalition. Plus the logistics of getting a new name on the ballot. And the fundraising, staffing etc necessary to run a presidential campaign. It's too late.

Trump will be president again. And Republicans will control both the Senate and the House. And it's entirely the fault of Biden, his family, and the Democratic leadership that supported such an absurd decision. Their arrogance is breathtaking.

Why would any state have printed or finalized ballots without an official nominee from either party, and without a named running mate for the presumptive Republican nominee?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Your assertion makes no sense. Biden is not an indentured servant and can drop out. Are you saying if he were to be hit by a bus, the Democratic Party would have no nominee?

And if this were true, no Democrat would be suggesting that Biden withdraw his candidacy.

There is no nationalized standard to replace a POTUS candidate on a state ballot. It would be a 50 state process that would come down to interpretations of election laws, lawsuits, judges, and eventually the Supreme Court.

For example, I just took a look at Florida's election laws. There are no provisions that outline what happens when a nominated candidate either dies prior to the November election or backs out of the race AFTER winning the state primary. Conceivably, "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" would still be printed on Florida's ballots. Absent the Florida legislature amending its election laws and the Governor signing said law, the DNC would need to try to run a write-in campaign for a new POTUS nominee. And then you're going to get tons of issues with that - is the writing legible? How is write-in done with voting machines? Etc.

So yes, I am saying the Democratic Party would effectively have no nominee in most states.

We're stuck with Biden. Accept it and move on.

If we are stuck with Biden, then can you explain how the 1968 Democratic National Convention was able to appoint a new candidate? That convention took place August 26 to August 29, 1968.

Johnson dropped out after winning only 1 write-in primary in NH. There were only 11 other state primaries before the rest were scuttled. RFK won five of those primaries but was then assassinated. Eugene McCarthy won six.

So, in short, no one had enough delegates to be the Democratic Presidential nominee going into the 1968 convention. Whereas Joe Biden is the nominee with 99% of the pledged delegates in the first round of voting.

Election laws have changed since 1968. There are now more deadlines to meet, more rules to qualify for the primary and November ballots, more filings, etc. Look at Ohio with its crazy candidate deadline in early August, before the President's party can even host a nominating convention.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Your assertion makes no sense. Biden is not an indentured servant and can drop out. Are you saying if he were to be hit by a bus, the Democratic Party would have no nominee?

And if this were true, no Democrat would be suggesting that Biden withdraw his candidacy.

There is no nationalized standard to replace a POTUS candidate on a state ballot. It would be a 50 state process that would come down to interpretations of election laws, lawsuits, judges, and eventually the Supreme Court.

For example, I just took a look at Florida's election laws. There are no provisions that outline what happens when a nominated candidate either dies prior to the November election or backs out of the race AFTER winning the state primary. Conceivably, "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" would still be printed on Florida's ballots. Absent the Florida legislature amending its election laws and the Governor signing said law, the DNC would need to try to run a write-in campaign for a new POTUS nominee. And then you're going to get tons of issues with that - is the writing legible? How is write-in done with voting machines? Etc.

So yes, I am saying the Democratic Party would effectively have no nominee in most states.

We're stuck with Biden. Accept it and move on.

If we are stuck with Biden, then can you explain how the 1968 Democratic National Convention was able to appoint a new candidate? That convention took place August 26 to August 29, 1968.

That went so well for Democrats, too.

[Anonymous]

I think that given the fact that Trump is also almost as old as Biden, that he shows serious cognitive decline, his inability to stay on point, his frequent incoherent rambling, his degeneration from being an articulate speaker to using a 5th-grade vocabulary, his frequent slurred and confused words, his delusional rants about weird made-up things like boat-battery-shark scenarios and having to flush the toilet 15 times - it's clear to me that Trump is objectively every bit as bad, if not worse than Biden.

But the fact that the posters here who carry on and on about "as a Democrat I..." and being shocked and dismayed about Biden either a.) quickly dismiss Trump's issues or b.) don't engage at all regarding Trump's age, health, and serious decline leads me to believe that a sizeable percentage of the "as a Democrat..." commentary here is anything of the sort, and instead it's concern trolling.

If you're concerned then you should ALSO be concerned about Trump. I'm not seeing it. You're all dishonest for not discussing it.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Your assertion makes no sense. Biden is not an indentured servant and can drop out. Are you saying if he were to be hit by a bus, the Democratic Party would have no nominee?

And if this were true, no Democrat would be suggesting that Biden withdraw his candidacy.

It's not true. The Heritage Foundation threatened lawsuits but they were called out as the deadlines for those states have not passed. For example they claim the deadline for Nevada has already passed, but the Las Vegas Review Journal reports the party has until September 3rd.

Remember it is in the interest of conservatives to suggest Biden can't be replaced. Number 1 they know Trump will beat him and number 2 it would mean Biden is staying because he absolutely has to.

Nevada is definitely one of the easier states for the DNC to replace Biden, but only because they amended their election laws in 2023 to add clarity about dates for which parties must name their candidate for the November election. It gets very messy after September 3, even in the case where Biden passed away in office but prior to Election Day.

Very good read:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/could-joe-biden-be-replaced-on-nevadas-ballot-3081017

Now multiply this by 49 other states, each with their own set of election laws.

Yes, there is limited time, but as of right now it is possible. Biden can drop out. There are 50 states, but their deadlines haven't yet passed. The messiness isn't about state law as the Heritage Foundation would like you to believe. It's about agreeing on a candidate and steps forward. The obvious choice is Harris.

I am so mad at Biden and his people for putting our country in this position.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Your assertion makes no sense. Biden is not an indentured servant and can drop out. Are you saying if he were to be hit by a bus, the Democratic Party would have no nominee?

And if this were true, no Democrat would be suggesting that Biden withdraw his candidacy.

There is no nationalized standard to replace a POTUS candidate on a state ballot. It would be a 50 state process that would come down to interpretations of election laws, lawsuits, judges, and eventually the Supreme Court.

For example, I just took a look at Florida's election laws. There are no provisions that outline what happens when a nominated candidate either dies prior to the November election or backs out of the race AFTER winning the state primary. Conceivably, "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" would still be printed on Florida's ballots. Absent the Florida legislature amending its election laws and the Governor signing said law, the DNC would need to try to run a write-in campaign for a new POTUS nominee. And then you're going to get tons of issues with that - is the writing legible? How is write-in done with voting machines? Etc.

So yes, I am saying the Democratic Party would effectively have no nominee in most states.

We're stuck with Biden. Accept it and move on.

If we are stuck with Biden, then can you explain how the 1968 Democratic National Convention was able to appoint a new candidate? That convention took place August 26 to August 29, 1968.

Johnson dropped out after winning only 1 write-in primary in NH. There were only 11 other state primaries before the rest were scuttled. RFK won five of those primaries but was then assassinated. Eugene McCarthy won six.

So, in short, no one had enough delegates to be the Democratic Presidential nominee going into the 1968 convention. Whereas Joe Biden is the nominee with 99% of the pledged delegates in the first round of voting.

Election laws have changed since 1968. There are now more deadlines to meet, more rules to qualify for the primary and November ballots, more filings, etc. Look at Ohio with its crazy candidate deadline in early August, before the President's party can even host a nominating convention.

Without more conclusive evidence about election law, I don't believe Biden can't withdraw his candidacy and a new one can't be appointed at the Democratic National Convention. This is just another DNC spin similar to the cold/international travel talking points. Biden didn't allow other qualified candidates to run in the primary. I'd rather lose via a dozen judicial rulings not allowing a qualified candidate on the ballot rather than compromise my values electing a senile old man. P.S. Biden wasn't going to win Ohio anyway.