Why do staunch republicans hate electric vehicles?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lefty liberal here. Electric vehicles have multiple problems:

1. Weight. EVs damage roads, which increases public roadwork maintenance and taxes.

2. Batteries that catch fire create chemical blazes that are extremely difficult to put out. It's not like wood fires. There have been multiple incidents all over the world of severely danaged apartment buildings or destroyed houses due to battery fires.

3. Batteries pose an environmental hazard to dispose of properly. Since they are the most expensive item in the car, once they develop a problem, it's cheaper to buy a new car than get them repaired. Do NOT buy a used EV!

4. Finally there is a related problem with unintended acceleration concerning hybrid and electric vehicles, across brands. Since it's all hush-hush, no one quite knows how to fix it. Fatalities and injuries occur regularly due to this issue. It may not be a battery problem per se, but it's definitely related to the modern electronization of vehicles.



Which isn't to say that we have to stick with fossil fuels!!! Not at all. But we do need have more robust electronics, we need better battery tech, and we need to fund R&D on other locomotive methods: hydrogen fuel cell, other fuel cell technologies, etc.


Our current EV situation is not where we want to be.

This is a huge problem. Used EV's have no re-sale value and that destroys the whole economics of car sales. It's also a secondary future trash problem.

Cars becoming disposable items is a major problem.

Oh, they'll just hit up the tax payer for that problem. They always do.

Since half the country pays no income taxes, they don't care.

[Anonymous]

I wanna see these "batteries" pull heavy loads, like 18 wheelers.

Uh huh. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wanna see these "batteries" pull heavy loads, like 18 wheelers.

Uh huh. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Then what? We’re to abandon trying out any alternative in lieu of “oil forever”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wanna see these "batteries" pull heavy loads, like 18 wheelers.

Uh huh. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Then what? We’re to abandon trying out any alternative in lieu of “oil forever”?

How about we allow the market to innovate instead of pushing undesirable alternatives down our throats?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wanna see these "batteries" pull heavy loads, like 18 wheelers.

Uh huh. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Then what? We’re to abandon trying out any alternative in lieu of “oil forever”?

How about we allow the market to innovate instead of pushing undesirable alternatives down our throats?

That's your solution? You don't think the government has any role in changing course? You think we're on a sustainable path?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wanna see these "batteries" pull heavy loads, like 18 wheelers.

Uh huh. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Then what? We’re to abandon trying out any alternative in lieu of “oil forever”?

How about we allow the market to innovate instead of pushing undesirable alternatives down our throats?

Duh. Companies like Tesla and Rivian are here BECAUSE of market innovation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wanna see these "batteries" pull heavy loads, like 18 wheelers.

Uh huh. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Then what? We’re to abandon trying out any alternative in lieu of “oil forever”?

How about we allow the market to innovate instead of pushing undesirable alternatives down our throats?

That's your solution? You don't think the government has any role in changing course? You think we're on a sustainable path?

The right solution is hybrids. A diesel hybrid could completely change everything.

Imagine all semi trucks and commercial vehicles converted to such a power plant. Why are we focusing on personally owned commuter vehicles when the focus should be on the biggest polluters?

Government punishes regular people and forces this crap down our throats while commercial vehicles see no change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lefty liberal here. Electric vehicles have multiple problems:

1. Weight. EVs damage roads, which increases public roadwork maintenance and taxes.

2. Batteries that catch fire create chemical blazes that are extremely difficult to put out. It's not like wood fires. There have been multiple incidents all over the world of severely danaged apartment buildings or destroyed houses due to battery fires.

3. Batteries pose an environmental hazard to dispose of properly. Since they are the most expensive item in the car, once they develop a problem, it's cheaper to buy a new car than get them repaired. Do NOT buy a used EV!

4. Finally there is a related problem with unintended acceleration concerning hybrid and electric vehicles, across brands. Since it's all hush-hush, no one quite knows how to fix it. Fatalities and injuries occur regularly due to this issue. It may not be a battery problem per se, but it's definitely related to the modern electronization of vehicles.



Which isn't to say that we have to stick with fossil fuels!!! Not at all. But we do need have more robust electronics, we need better battery tech, and we need to fund R&D on other locomotive methods: hydrogen fuel cell, other fuel cell technologies, etc.


Our current EV situation is not where we want to be.

This is a huge problem. Used EV's have no re-sale value and that destroys the whole economics of car sales. It's also a secondary future trash problem.

Cars becoming disposable items is a major problem.

No resale value? I don't know where people get this stuff. People buy used EVs, you dork.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Electric vehicles dislocate the site of energy production from the places where that energy is discharged.

That makes it easy to pretend that your electric car does not depend on fossil fuels.

Magical thinking is important to liberals, less so for republicans.

Tell us again how you do not understand about point pollution, the electric power generation by type or how much pollution ICE cars generate. Republicans live in a little world of Fox News and ignorance. Please stay there.

If everyone had an EV then I’m pretty sure we would be enduring this current heat wave without the benefit of air conditioning.

A McKinsey study indicates that half of all current EV owners plan to return to gas-powered cars.

[At this point in time, EVs often fail to not meet basic consumer needs. Renewable energy is happy talk for unreliable energy given the current state of the technology.

Good ideas don’t require coercion. As always, the amount of prodding from government is positively correlated with the inherent idiocy of an idea.

Yes because EVs are plugged in all the time! God you people are morons. This is what happens when you give participation trophies out. It makes the losers think they are equal to the winners. You are not.

Good point. You just tell people they can’t charge their cars when the grid gets stressed.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/california-heat-wave-flex-alert-ac-ev-charging.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wanna see these "batteries" pull heavy loads, like 18 wheelers.

Uh huh. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Then what? We’re to abandon trying out any alternative in lieu of “oil forever”?

How about we allow the market to innovate instead of pushing undesirable alternatives down our throats?

That's your solution? You don't think the government has any role in changing course? You think we're on a sustainable path?

The right solution is hybrids. A diesel hybrid could completely change everything.

Imagine all semi trucks and commercial vehicles converted to such a power plant. Why are we focusing on personally owned commuter vehicles when the focus should be on the biggest polluters?

Government punishes regular people and forces this crap down our throats while commercial vehicles see no change.

That's essentially what most freight rail already is - a diesel engine powers a generator, and power to the wheels is from electric motors.

And the most likely reason it hasn't happened in the commercial space is because of powerful industry lobbies shutting it down.

Don't know where you get this "government publishes regular people" and "forces this crap" nonsense from given nobody has forced you to buy an EV.

You're off-base and unhinged about things that you don't even correctly understand. Get some help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Electric vehicles dislocate the site of energy production from the places where that energy is discharged.

That makes it easy to pretend that your electric car does not depend on fossil fuels.

Magical thinking is important to liberals, less so for republicans.

Tell us again how you do not understand about point pollution, the electric power generation by type or how much pollution ICE cars generate. Republicans live in a little world of Fox News and ignorance. Please stay there.

If everyone had an EV then I’m pretty sure we would be enduring this current heat wave without the benefit of air conditioning.

A McKinsey study indicates that half of all current EV owners plan to return to gas-powered cars.

[At this point in time, EVs often fail to not meet basic consumer needs. Renewable energy is happy talk for unreliable energy given the current state of the technology.

Good ideas don’t require coercion. As always, the amount of prodding from government is positively correlated with the inherent idiocy of an idea.

Yes because EVs are plugged in all the time! God you people are morons. This is what happens when you give participation trophies out. It makes the losers think they are equal to the winners. You are not.

Good point. You just tell people they can’t charge their cars when the grid gets stressed.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/california-heat-wave-flex-alert-ac-ev-charging.html

Most people with EVs already plug their cars in when they get home from work when it's already cooling down for the day as opposed to top heat hours and high noon. Though I also know a lot of folks who own EVs who have their own solar too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lefty liberal here. Electric vehicles have multiple problems:

1. Weight. EVs damage roads, which increases public roadwork maintenance and taxes.

2. Batteries that catch fire create chemical blazes that are extremely difficult to put out. It's not like wood fires. There have been multiple incidents all over the world of severely danaged apartment buildings or destroyed houses due to battery fires.

3. Batteries pose an environmental hazard to dispose of properly. Since they are the most expensive item in the car, once they develop a problem, it's cheaper to buy a new car than get them repaired. Do NOT buy a used EV!

4. Finally there is a related problem with unintended acceleration concerning hybrid and electric vehicles, across brands. Since it's all hush-hush, no one quite knows how to fix it. Fatalities and injuries occur regularly due to this issue. It may not be a battery problem per se, but it's definitely related to the modern electronization of vehicles.



Which isn't to say that we have to stick with fossil fuels!!! Not at all. But we do need have more robust electronics, we need better battery tech, and we need to fund R&D on other locomotive methods: hydrogen fuel cell, other fuel cell technologies, etc.


Our current EV situation is not where we want to be.

This is a huge problem. Used EV's have no re-sale value and that destroys the whole economics of car sales. It's also a secondary future trash problem.

Cars becoming disposable items is a major problem.

No resale value? I don't know where people get this stuff. People buy used EVs, you dork.

They do, I was exaggerating and neglected to clarify that I meant after the battery dies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wanna see these "batteries" pull heavy loads, like 18 wheelers.

Uh huh. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Then what? We’re to abandon trying out any alternative in lieu of “oil forever”?

How about we allow the market to innovate instead of pushing undesirable alternatives down our throats?

That's your solution? You don't think the government has any role in changing course? You think we're on a sustainable path?

The right solution is hybrids. A diesel hybrid could completely change everything.

Imagine all semi trucks and commercial vehicles converted to such a power plant. Why are we focusing on personally owned commuter vehicles when the focus should be on the biggest polluters?

Government punishes regular people and forces this crap down our throats while commercial vehicles see no change.

DP: Maybe, maybe not. Right now we should be thinking about what we need to do in terms of the grid and the charging network. EVs, Hybrids, ICE they all have a place and a use case.

Right now the problems with EVs are cost, home hookup needed, and distance. That's what's holding them back. But make no mistake, people do like them.

I don't think anyone is forcing them down anybody's throught, but if you think so then we should stop doing that. I am ok with some subsidies to help build up the manufacturing base so we don't end up importing them all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's a lot of fake anti-EV propaganda here. Wild.

EVs are "paper straw" environmentalism. The goal is to maximize cost/inconvenience and minimize the environmental impact, so that everyone can pat themselves on the back at how good they are and then do it again, and again...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a lot of fake anti-EV propaganda here. Wild.

EVs are "paper straw" environmentalism. The goal is to maximize cost/inconvenience and minimize the environmental impact, so that everyone can pat themselves on the back at how good they are and then do it again, and again...

Okay. Then what can we do that would make a difference? Is there anything that everyone can agree on?