Why do staunch republicans hate electric vehicles?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have the time to read 36 pages. I get that there are problems with EVs, which is why DH and I are hesitating on getting one. But SOMETHING has to change. What measures, if any, are Republicans willing to adopt that can mitigate some of the damage to the environment caused by automobiles?

You mean there isn't a smokestack somewhere behind that EV? You think electricity comes out of thin air?

Is this more about you feeling good about yourself than anything of substance?

PP here. I just said that I know there are problems with EVs, which is why I haven’t gotten one. I am not arguing FOR EVs. My question is: what other measures are Republicans open to to mitigate the effects on the environment of automobiles?

Don't ask us. We drive teslas. You are the ones hesitating and attacking the guy who's done more for solar and renewables than anyone on earth bc you care more about policing speech than the environment.

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Anonymous wrote:Spend an extra 20000 to save $1000 a year in gas. And Virginia makes you pay extra for registration.

Your numbers are about 10 years out of date. EVs are close to price parity now— or cheaper based on KBB 5 yr TCO and will only get cheaper relative to ICE.

5 year TCO is something, but what happens in years 6-8 when a battery needs to be replaced? The average ICE vehicle is around 12 years old in the US, and you rarely see an electric that old. Will current electrics still be tooling around in 2036, or will they be scrap? If scrap, how is that good for the environment or people's wallets?

lol that does not happen because the batteries last 15-20 years. The question you should be concerned about is what happens when your ICE comes off warranty in 5 years?

While lead-acid car batteries last about 3 to 5 years, EV battery pack lifespan is much longer. Typically, today’s EV batteries last 10 – 20 years. Many car manufacturers offer an 8 to 10-year or 100,000-mile warranty on electric car batteries, which can help ease consumer concerns about battery longevity.

https://www.greenlancer.com/post/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last#:~:text=In%20contrast%2C%20EV%20lithium%2Dion,number%20of%20years%20or%20miles.


This has been covered before in this thread. So why do you keep on with the wrong information?

Because there is a major disconnect between what experts say will happen and what has actually happened so far. Where are the Nissan Leafs and Chevy Volts from 10 years ago, let alone some of the lower volume models? Why do EVs lose so much value so quickly compared to ICE models? A Leaf is only worth 2/3rds of what a Honda Fit from the same year and mileage is worth despite being a more expensive car new.

I still see civics from the 90s being used as daily drivers. What EVs will still run 30 years from now? 20? 12? Twelve is average for ICE vehicles on the road today. If EVs can't last that long, its just greenwashing.

The cars are around. Some guy just drove the 2 millionth mile in his tesla. No reason to think EVs won’t last as long or longer (given there are fewer parts to wear out) than ICE.

You don’t see a lot of them because there weren’t that many sold 10-12 years ago (not to mention the battery tech has improved in the last 10-12 years).

Stories from Leaf owners of 10ish year old cars: https://www.reddit.com/r/leaf/comments/13j9ti9/owners_of_leaf_for_over_10_years_what_range_are/
Some are down to 30ish miles. That's why you don't see them on the road anymore, they might make it to the grocery store and back. They are headed to the crusher shortly.

I'm sure people will bring up battery tech in 10 years when today's electrics are similarly circling the drain. Go environment!

The 2012 leaf started with about 70-100 mile range so when people say it’s getting about 60-70 miles (which seems about average for that thread) it’s really doing pretty well.

And yes battery tech is way better. IIRC those leafs didn’t even have cooling systems, which is why the batteries in Arizona and Florida are getting 30 mile ranges now.

And batteries are much more capable of being recycled than anything on an ICE. The suggestion that petroleum production and refining has no impact on the environment is mind bogglingly stupid.

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I have a 10+ year old hybrid which has been serviced every 10,000 miles. The EV side stopped kicking in as often a few years ago and now I'm counting the days until the EV battery goes. I'm looking at new cars because that battery costs 3X the blue book value.

It's been a fine car, worked well for most of its life and gets about 10mpg better gas mileage than the current choices. But that replacement battery cost is a killer. I'm not a lease every 3-5 years person so this will be the youngest car I've ever given up on.

There's a lot of good things about EVs but there's still work to go and pretending that drawbacks don't exist doesn't help anybody or anything.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have the time to read 36 pages. I get that there are problems with EVs, which is why DH and I are hesitating on getting one. But SOMETHING has to change. What measures, if any, are Republicans willing to adopt that can mitigate some of the damage to the environment caused by automobiles?

You mean there isn't a smokestack somewhere behind that EV? You think electricity comes out of thin air?

Is this more about you feeling good about yourself than anything of substance?

Why yes Virginia, electricity does sometimes come out of thin air.

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It's not just Republicans...

Mckinsey survey claims 46% of US EV owners likely to switch back to ICE


By Simon Alvarez
Posted on June 21, 2024

A new McKinsey & Co. survey has revealed rather shocking results. Among the survey’s respondents, which are comprised of 30,000 individuals who regularly use mobility, 29% of EV owners globally are likely to switch back to an internal combustion engine-powered vehicle. In the United States, the number was worse, as 46% of McKinsey’s respondents stated that they are likely to switch back to ICE.

McKinsey provided several reasons behind the rather shocking findings. According to the global management consulting firm’s findings, EV owners who are looking to switch back to combustion-powered cars have several reasons, the most notable of which are subpar charging infrastructure, the total cost of EV ownership being too high, and driving patterns on long-distance trips being too impacted.

https://www.teslarati.com/mckinsey-survey-46-percent-us-ev-owners-switch-back-ice/

The full presentation and survey by McKinsey is at the link above.

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Lefty liberal here. Electric vehicles have multiple problems:

1. Weight. EVs damage roads, which increases public roadwork maintenance and taxes.

2. Batteries that catch fire create chemical blazes that are extremely difficult to put out. It's not like wood fires. There have been multiple incidents all over the world of severely danaged apartment buildings or destroyed houses due to battery fires.

3. Batteries pose an environmental hazard to dispose of properly. Since they are the most expensive item in the car, once they develop a problem, it's cheaper to buy a new car than get them repaired. Do NOT buy a used EV!

4. Finally there is a related problem with unintended acceleration concerning hybrid and electric vehicles, across brands. Since it's all hush-hush, no one quite knows how to fix it. Fatalities and injuries occur regularly due to this issue. It may not be a battery problem per se, but it's definitely related to the modern electronization of vehicles.



Which isn't to say that we have to stick with fossil fuels!!! Not at all. But we do need have more robust electronics, we need better battery tech, and we need to fund R&D on other locomotive methods: hydrogen fuel cell, other fuel cell technologies, etc.


Our current EV situation is not where we want to be.

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Anonymous wrote:Lefty liberal here. Electric vehicles have multiple problems:

1. Weight. EVs damage roads, which increases public roadwork maintenance and taxes.

2. Batteries that catch fire create chemical blazes that are extremely difficult to put out. It's not like wood fires. There have been multiple incidents all over the world of severely danaged apartment buildings or destroyed houses due to battery fires.

3. Batteries pose an environmental hazard to dispose of properly. Since they are the most expensive item in the car, once they develop a problem, it's cheaper to buy a new car than get them repaired. Do NOT buy a used EV!

4. Finally there is a related problem with unintended acceleration concerning hybrid and electric vehicles, across brands. Since it's all hush-hush, no one quite knows how to fix it. Fatalities and injuries occur regularly due to this issue. It may not be a battery problem per se, but it's definitely related to the modern electronization of vehicles.



Which isn't to say that we have to stick with fossil fuels!!! Not at all. But we do need have more robust electronics, we need better battery tech, and we need to fund R&D on other locomotive methods: hydrogen fuel cell, other fuel cell technologies, etc.


Our current EV situation is not where we want to be.

Couldn’t agree more, time to stop wasting resources on current EV technology. Hydrogen is the only viable answer. Invest there now and by 2050 we will be in a much better place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lefty liberal here. Electric vehicles have multiple problems:

1. Weight. EVs damage roads, which increases public roadwork maintenance and taxes.

2. Batteries that catch fire create chemical blazes that are extremely difficult to put out. It's not like wood fires. There have been multiple incidents all over the world of severely danaged apartment buildings or destroyed houses due to battery fires.

3. Batteries pose an environmental hazard to dispose of properly. Since they are the most expensive item in the car, once they develop a problem, it's cheaper to buy a new car than get them repaired. Do NOT buy a used EV!

4. Finally there is a related problem with unintended acceleration concerning hybrid and electric vehicles, across brands. Since it's all hush-hush, no one quite knows how to fix it. Fatalities and injuries occur regularly due to this issue. It may not be a battery problem per se, but it's definitely related to the modern electronization of vehicles.



Which isn't to say that we have to stick with fossil fuels!!! Not at all. But we do need have more robust electronics, we need better battery tech, and we need to fund R&D on other locomotive methods: hydrogen fuel cell, other fuel cell technologies, etc.


Our current EV situation is not where we want to be.

This is a huge problem. Used EV's have no re-sale value and that destroys the whole economics of car sales. It's also a secondary future trash problem.

Cars becoming disposable items is a major problem.

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There hasn't been any kind of meaningful technology breakthrough to improve internal combustion engines since they came up with fuel injectors and computers decades ago.

Whereas new technologies keep coming out every year with EVs and other types of vehicles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There hasn't been any kind of meaningful technology breakthrough to improve internal combustion engines since they came up with fuel injectors and computers decades ago.

Whereas new technologies keep coming out every year with EVs and other types of vehicles.

Yes, they got ICE right from the start. No need for the gullible to support what appears to be a much longer than needed transition to a viable solution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There hasn't been any kind of meaningful technology breakthrough to improve internal combustion engines since they came up with fuel injectors and computers decades ago.

Whereas new technologies keep coming out every year with EVs and other types of vehicles.

Yes, they got ICE right from the start. No need for the gullible to support what appears to be a much longer than needed transition to a viable solution.

Not even remotely "right from the start" - there's a huge amount of engineering inefficiency inherent to internal combustion - and that's before you even get into the problem of carbon-based fuel.

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There's a lot of fake anti-EV propaganda here. Wild.

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I don’t why anyone cares to an obsessive degree what other people drive? It’s nuts to me to care one way or the other. We have both EV and ICE cars our garage and I could not give a sh*t less if you drive a gas hog SUV or a new Tesla. Since when did engine type in your car become someone’s personality?

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Anonymous wrote:Electric vehicles dislocate the site of energy production from the places where that energy is discharged.

That makes it easy to pretend that your electric car does not depend on fossil fuels.

Magical thinking is important to liberals, less so for republicans.

Tell us again how you do not understand about point pollution, the electric power generation by type or how much pollution ICE cars generate. Republicans live in a little world of Fox News and ignorance. Please stay there.

If everyone had an EV then I’m pretty sure we would be enduring this current heat wave without the benefit of air conditioning.

A McKinsey study indicates that half of all current EV owners plan to return to gas-powered cars.

At this point in time, EVs often fail to not meet basic consumer needs. Renewable energy is happy talk for unreliable energy given the current state of the technology.

Good ideas don’t require coercion. As always, the amount of prodding from government is positively correlated with the inherent idiocy of an idea.

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Anonymous wrote:Electric vehicles dislocate the site of energy production from the places where that energy is discharged.

That makes it easy to pretend that your electric car does not depend on fossil fuels.

Magical thinking is important to liberals, less so for republicans.

Tell us again how you do not understand about point pollution, the electric power generation by type or how much pollution ICE cars generate. Republicans live in a little world of Fox News and ignorance. Please stay there.

If everyone had an EV then I’m pretty sure we would be enduring this current heat wave without the benefit of air conditioning.

A McKinsey study indicates that half of all current EV owners plan to return to gas-powered cars.

[At this point in time, EVs often fail to not meet basic consumer needs. Renewable energy is happy talk for unreliable energy given the current state of the technology.

Good ideas don’t require coercion. As always, the amount of prodding from government is positively correlated with the inherent idiocy of an idea.

Yes because EVs are plugged in all the time! God you people are morons. This is what happens when you give participation trophies out. It makes the losers think they are equal to the winners. You are not.