DC parents leave kids in car for wine tasting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is very common in some countries. In Scandinavia people often leave kids outside in a pram.

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Taking the children away from their parents is cruel and needless.

1. We are not in Scandinavia. Their actions are illegal here, in the United States, which is where they are.

2. Leaving your child in a stroller outside a shop in warm weather while you run errands may be culturally appropriate in some places. Leaving your child for an hour (and it would have been longer, if the cops didn't come) in an unheated car in the middle of winter is appropriate nowhere.

I totally agree with your first point. Your second is inaccurate- people in Scandinavia leave their well-bundled children in prams outside in the winter, including at coffee shops, etc. I am not defending the parents (I felt guilty leaving my son in his car seat while I walked 1/4 block to the parking meter machine on Saturday).

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is very common in some countries. In Scandinavia people often leave kids outside in a pram.

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Taking the children away from their parents is cruel and needless.

1. We are not in Scandinavia. Their actions are illegal here, in the United States, which is where they are.

2. Leaving your child in a stroller outside a shop in warm weather while you run errands may be culturally appropriate in some places. Leaving your child for an hour (and it would have been longer, if the cops didn't come) in an unheated car in the middle of winter is appropriate nowhere.

I totally agree with your first point. Your second is inaccurate- people in Scandinavia leave their well-bundled children in prams outside in the winter, including at coffee shops, etc. I am not defending the parents (I felt guilty leaving my son in his car seat while I walked 1/4 block to the parking meter machine on Saturday).

Completely different culture. We don't have the same level of violence and kidnapping.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is very common in some countries. In Scandinavia people often leave kids outside in a pram.

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Taking the children away from their parents is cruel and needless.

1. We are not in Scandinavia. Their actions are illegal here, in the United States, which is where they are.

2. Leaving your child in a stroller outside a shop in warm weather while you run errands may be culturally appropriate in some places. Leaving your child for an hour (and it would have been longer, if the cops didn't come) in an unheated car in the middle of winter is appropriate nowhere.

I totally agree with your first point. Your second is inaccurate- people in Scandinavia leave their well-bundled children in prams outside in the winter, including at coffee shops, etc. I am not defending the parents (I felt guilty leaving my son in his car seat while I walked 1/4 block to the parking meter machine on Saturday).

Parents in Scandinavia let completely bundled up children nap in prams in eyesight in the winter, they do not leave awake children with no shoes and socks, hats, or gloves in cars unattended.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is very common in some countries. In Scandinavia people often leave kids outside in a pram.

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Taking the children away from their parents is cruel and needless.

1. We are not in Scandinavia. Their actions are illegal here, in the United States, which is where they are.

2. Leaving your child in a stroller outside a shop in warm weather while you run errands may be culturally appropriate in some places. Leaving your child for an hour (and it would have been longer, if the cops didn't come) in an unheated car in the middle of winter is appropriate nowhere.

I totally agree with your first point. Your second is inaccurate- people in Scandinavia leave their well-bundled children in prams outside in the winter, including at coffee shops, etc. I am not defending the parents (I felt guilty leaving my son in his car seat while I walked 1/4 block to the parking meter machine on Saturday).

Completely different culture. We don't have the same level of violence and kidnapping.

Even so, they do not allow unattended toddlers who are awake remain in cars with no one to supervise them. Those Swedish babies are napping in prams, they are not two-year olds strapped into carseats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So how old were these children? Does anyone know if they were adopted? Surrogates involved?

I ask b/c the reports say they left a 22-month-old boy and a slightly older girl.

I find this story something that I can not stop coming back to. You have a mom who is 46 who had a child at 43 and 44 - and now after whatever efforts went into that, you think it is OK to leave the kids in the car to go taste some wine?

She's Asian. Asian women seem to age more slowly.

They don't when it comes to fertility. They tend to be infertile at younger ages than other races. Ask my Asian SILs, none of whom could conceive after 37 (I really feel for one, who is 39 and has been trying since 34). All of the SILs are unrelated (only boys in DH's family). PCOS is really common in Asia.

Now wrinkles? Yes, they all look fabulous into their 40s. But not fertility IME.

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This story has become national (MSNBC Morning Joe) and even international (Daily Mail) news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This story has become national (MSNBC Morning Joe) and even international (Daily Mail) news.

The Silver Spring free range kids story was national news as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think preventing all contact with the children until the parents' hearing on the 18th is in the best interest of the children. That's more than two weeks away. Look, these people are idiots, and the "system" needs to step in to ensure that these children will be safe. But not allowing those children to see their parents for weeks is just not helpful to the kids and their longterm emotional development.

I have to agree here.

I am a parent and disgusted by what happened.

Unless they can prove this is an ongoing thing with these parents, the kids should see their parents until the trial.

Agree. The parents were selfish and idiots but I have a 25 month old and know that toddlers that age still experience separation anxiety. For the kid's sake, they need to let the parents contact. Even a parent with bad judgement is better than strangers. Poor kids I feel so upset imagining they don't get contact with the parents (who incidentally deserve to be publicly humiliated).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It sounds to me like these kids would BENEFIT from being in foster care. Seriously, people. Take out the fact that they are highly educated and own a million dollar home. If this happened to a low SES couple these kids would be gone. These two have no business being parents.

I'm guessing you are not a parent to toddlers. For toddlers, these parents are still way better than any foster care, even a loving grandparent care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how old were these children? Does anyone know if they were adopted? Surrogates involved?

I ask b/c the reports say they left a 22-month-old boy and a slightly older girl.

I find this story something that I can not stop coming back to. You have a mom who is 46 who had a child at 43 and 44 - and now after whatever efforts went into that, you think it is OK to leave the kids in the car to go taste some wine?

She's Asian. Asian women seem to age more slowly.

Its not about physical aging. I bet, Asian women mature at the same rate as everyone else, so it's reasonable to expect some adult behavior at 45.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds to me like these kids would BENEFIT from being in foster care. Seriously, people. Take out the fact that they are highly educated and own a million dollar home. If this happened to a low SES couple these kids would be gone. These two have no business being parents.

I'm guessing you are not a parent to toddlers. For toddlers, these parents are still way better than any foster care, even a loving grandparent care.

I'm the PP who posted previously about family law in other states. I'm surprised that the initial hearing on these kids' placement is not for two weeks. This seems like a very long time to go without the ability for the parents (or L-GAL on behalf of the kids) to make the case before a judge that it is in the best interests of the kids to be returned to the parents with supervision. Or, for grandparents or relative to come forward to say that the kids should be placed with them rather than foster parents. Can anyone with actual family law experience in DC comment on this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think preventing all contact with the children until the parents' hearing on the 18th is in the best interest of the children. That's more than two weeks away. Look, these people are idiots, and the "system" needs to step in to ensure that these children will be safe. But not allowing those children to see their parents for weeks is just not helpful to the kids and their longterm emotional development.

I have to agree here.

I am a parent and disgusted by what happened.

Unless they can prove this is an ongoing thing with these parents, the kids should see their parents until the trial.

Agree. The parents were selfish and idiots but I have a 25 month old and know that toddlers that age still experience separation anxiety. For the kid's sake, they need to let the parents contact. Even a parent with bad judgement is better than strangers. Poor kids I feel so upset imagining they don't get contact with the parents (who incidentally deserve to be publicly humiliated).

You have no idea what type of parents they are. Maybe this was common? Maybe there is no separation anxiety and moving to foster care is a better place for them? How many times have they done this before that they were just down the block having a coffee while they napped? Or at lunch with a friend? Were the kids in wet/dirty diapers in a cold car?

These parents made a really bad choice and got caught. Thankfully their children were not harmed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how old were these children? Does anyone know if they were adopted? Surrogates involved?

I ask b/c the reports say they left a 22-month-old boy and a slightly older girl.

I find this story something that I can not stop coming back to. You have a mom who is 46 who had a child at 43 and 44 - and now after whatever efforts went into that, you think it is OK to leave the kids in the car to go taste some wine?

She's Asian. Asian women seem to age more slowly.

They don't when it comes to fertility. They tend to be infertile at younger ages than other races. Ask my Asian SILs, none of whom could conceive after 37 (I really feel for one, who is 39 and has been trying since 34). All of the SILs are unrelated (only boys in DH's family). PCOS is really common in Asia.

Now wrinkles? Yes, they all look fabulous into their 40s. But not fertility IME.

Not to derail the topic, but I am Asian. I had my kids at 35 and 38. My sister had her kids at 37 and 40.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's going to be a lot of awkward silence when they get back to work. "So, Christophe, how was your weekend?" "Hey, Jennie, what's new?"

Lmao. I luv u pp!

[Anonymous]

Kids might be adopted--