Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:Come on guys! Crossfield is not asking to move to the new school like some SL family asked to move to the new school. All crossfield family is asking with no change for them and stay within boundary that they have been assigned to prior to this boundary review mass.

Why you guys hate crossfield/Oakton, no need.

The Crossfield people asking to stay are just trying to get their older kids through with no changes. Those of us with younger kids can see how Oakton will be overcrowded very soon and know our kids will have to get moved. We'd rather be at the new school than at South Lakes.

Why do you assume that everyone only has older kids?

Because if they had younger kids they'd put a little thought into it and realize the decision for their younger kids is between the new Western HS or South Lakes. Oakton is off the table for us if you have just a few brain cells to rub together and look at what's coming.

There's a ton of what ifs. You make it sound like it's a done deal.

Within south lakes current borders you have all of the development going on near the new metro stations which will expand their student population. There's a lot of cleared land around the metro with new condos and townhouses as well.

Who knows what a new board will do in the future let alone the composition of a new board.

Anyone with more than a few braincells might see this as increased density closer to south lakes builds up.

If Crossfield doesn't go to the Western HS now then Fox Mill will. South Lakes will have a ton of capacity in that case. Oakton is already projected over 100% next year. Someone else posted like 6 different very large residential developments already approved for the Oakton boundary a few pages ago - literally thousands of homes. The metro condos and townhouses pale in comparison and will yield fewer children per unit than developments further from metro. Oakton, Chantilly, and the new Western school will all be too full for Crossfield. Where do you think we'll end up?

Did you see how many new units are coming into whelie?

The 2 new 30 story condo.buildijgs just opened. That's BVLD and Marriot adding another 500 units the Issac Newton redevelopment zoned for 2100 homes per the master plan, the two office buildings are coming down for an ETA development for 1100 units. comstock has a development there with at least 421 units.

that's 4100+ units coming online shortly within south lakes current boundary, but sure let's make the sudden conclusion that crossfield is getting moved to South lakes...

Use those few braincells and you might see that south lakes may need an expansion soon.

Friend, use your brain cells - very few condo dwellers have high schoolers. Those are for young tech workers who are then going to get married, have kids, and buy your house in Franklin Farm when you age out (thus keeping your property value high - regardless of what HS it is zoned to) because it's close to where they work.

Did you read the master plan for that area?

It's high density for sure, but not all condos.

I don't live in Franklin Farm. I live on the east side of west ox with low density housing. You know the ones closer to... OAKTON

Yes, we know, you're the person in Folkstone who claims she lives much, much closer to Oakton High School (which is not even in the town of Oakton) than to KAA. Guess what? I mapped out the edges of the Crossfield Boundary to both schools and the closest house to Oakton is STILL further away from Oakton than it is to KAA. Only by a little over than a mile, so I'll give you that. HOWEVER - the closest house to KAA is 2 miles from KAA and 10 miles from Oakton HS.

Meanwhile the closest house zoned to Fox Mill and South Lakes is 3 miles from SLHS and 4.2 miles to KAA.

Don't live in folkstone, but you can have a shorter travel time to Oakton than to KAA. Also some might notice that it is possible to be districted to Crossfield but be closer to Navy! (I'm looking at you 12417 English Garden Ct!!!) School borders can get kinda wierd.

FYI having to wait multiple traffic lights to cross 7100/286 doesn't help the time calculation due to traffic density.

Go cougars!

I always thought it was weird that the part of Franklin Farm that is a straight shot down Thompson to Navy (Tuckaway, etc.) is zoned to Crossfield while Nestlewood/Rounding Run/etc are zoned to Navy.

There are historical reasons for that (political corruption basically) which residents are still suffering for 30 years later. This neighborhood is part of Franklin Glen, not Franklin Farm, but the kids are zoned for Crossfield (instead of the Franklin Glen neighborhood school, which is Lees Corner). But then the middle school is Feanklin or Carson got AAP. And the high school is Chantilly with the rest of Franklin Glen. Some. Parents have quietly been pupil placing their kids in Lees Corner for years so the kids could be with their friends from the neighborhood and nobody was giving them a hard time about it. Except that Options C and D are now trying to perpetuate this disaster by trying to move this tiny sliver of Franklin Glen from Chantilly to KAA. People have complained and hopefully they will leave it alone, the drive from that area to Chantilly talkes 5-7 minutes and nobody wants to be split off from the neighborhood.

What on earth are you talking about? Almost all of Tuckaway is Franklin Farm. Only the one little tiny part between Thompson Road and 286 is Franklin Glen. Or is that what you are trying to say? It's very challenging to follow your thoughts.

PP is clearly talking about Ashvale Dr, which should be zoned to Lees Corner. I guess someone really wanted to go to Crossfield when the boundary was set.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell is so special about Oakton HS?!

Oh, I know. It’s full of rich white people.

Oakton is majority minority.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/virginia/districts/fairfax-county-public-schools/oakton-high-school-20454


43.3%

White

30.3%

Asian

13.2%

Hispanic

7.0%

Two or More Races

5.9%

Black

This is called receipts. Facts are inconvenient for the social justice warriors.

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Minority majority is most of the western part of the county.

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Its not about white kids. Its about the FARMs rate. Oakton's is absurdly low for an FCPS HS-only 13%. All the other Western area HS are more in the 30-40+ percent range.

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Anonymous wrote:Its not about white kids. Its about the FARMs rate. Oakton's is absurdly low for an FCPS HS-only 13%. All the other Western area HS are more in the 30-40+ percent range.

West of Oakton there's a lot of large homes with large lots. It's hard to up those rookie farms numbers without serious redevelopment.bik sure the Oakton has community is clamoring for high density.

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Anonymous wrote:Its not about white kids. Its about the FARMs rate. Oakton's is absurdly low for an FCPS HS-only 13%. All the other Western area HS are more in the 30-40+ percent range.

West of Oakton there's a lot of large homes with large lots. It's hard to up those rookie farms numbers without serious redevelopment.bik sure the Oakton has community is clamoring for high density.

Want to try that again?

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Anonymous wrote:Come on guys! Crossfield is not asking to move to the new school like some SL family asked to move to the new school. All crossfield family is asking with no change for them and stay within boundary that they have been assigned to prior to this boundary review mass.

Why you guys hate crossfield/Oakton, no need.

The Crossfield people asking to stay are just trying to get their older kids through with no changes. Those of us with younger kids can see how Oakton will be overcrowded very soon and know our kids will have to get moved. We'd rather be at the new school than at South Lakes.

Why do you assume that everyone only has older kids?

Because if they had younger kids they'd put a little thought into it and realize the decision for their younger kids is between the new Western HS or South Lakes. Oakton is off the table for us if you have just a few brain cells to rub together and look at what's coming.

There's a ton of what ifs. You make it sound like it's a done deal.

Within south lakes current borders you have all of the development going on near the new metro stations which will expand their student population. There's a lot of cleared land around the metro with new condos and townhouses as well.

Who knows what a new board will do in the future let alone the composition of a new board.

Anyone with more than a few braincells might see this as increased density closer to south lakes builds up.

If Crossfield doesn't go to the Western HS now then Fox Mill will. South Lakes will have a ton of capacity in that case. Oakton is already projected over 100% next year. Someone else posted like 6 different very large residential developments already approved for the Oakton boundary a few pages ago - literally thousands of homes. The metro condos and townhouses pale in comparison and will yield fewer children per unit than developments further from metro. Oakton, Chantilly, and the new Western school will all be too full for Crossfield. Where do you think we'll end up?

Did you see how many new units are coming into whelie?

The 2 new 30 story condo.buildijgs just opened. That's BVLD and Marriot adding another 500 units the Issac Newton redevelopment zoned for 2100 homes per the master plan, the two office buildings are coming down for an ETA development for 1100 units. comstock has a development there with at least 421 units.

that's 4100+ units coming online shortly within south lakes current boundary, but sure let's make the sudden conclusion that crossfield is getting moved to South lakes...

Use those few braincells and you might see that south lakes may need an expansion soon.

Friend, use your brain cells - very few condo dwellers have high schoolers. Those are for young tech workers who are then going to get married, have kids, and buy your house in Franklin Farm when you age out (thus keeping your property value high - regardless of what HS it is zoned to) because it's close to where they work.

Did you read the master plan for that area?

It's high density for sure, but not all condos.

I don't live in Franklin Farm. I live on the east side of west ox with low density housing. You know the ones closer to... OAKTON

Yes, we know, you're the person in Folkstone who claims she lives much, much closer to Oakton High School (which is not even in the town of Oakton) than to KAA. Guess what? I mapped out the edges of the Crossfield Boundary to both schools and the closest house to Oakton is STILL further away from Oakton than it is to KAA. Only by a little over than a mile, so I'll give you that. HOWEVER - the closest house to KAA is 2 miles from KAA and 10 miles from Oakton HS.

Meanwhile the closest house zoned to Fox Mill and South Lakes is 3 miles from SLHS and 4.2 miles to KAA.

Don't live in folkstone, but you can have a shorter travel time to Oakton than to KAA. Also some might notice that it is possible to be districted to Crossfield but be closer to Navy! (I'm looking at you 12417 English Garden Ct!!!) School borders can get kinda wierd.

FYI having to wait multiple traffic lights to cross 7100/286 doesn't help the time calculation due to traffic density.

Go cougars!

I always thought it was weird that the part of Franklin Farm that is a straight shot down Thompson to Navy (Tuckaway, etc.) is zoned to Crossfield while Nestlewood/Rounding Run/etc are zoned to Navy.

There are historical reasons for that (political corruption basically) which residents are still suffering for 30 years later. This neighborhood is part of Franklin Glen, not Franklin Farm, but the kids are zoned for Crossfield (instead of the Franklin Glen neighborhood school, which is Lees Corner). But then the middle school is Feanklin or Carson got AAP. And the high school is Chantilly with the rest of Franklin Glen. Some. Parents have quietly been pupil placing their kids in Lees Corner for years so the kids could be with their friends from the neighborhood and nobody was giving them a hard time about it. Except that Options C and D are now trying to perpetuate this disaster by trying to move this tiny sliver of Franklin Glen from Chantilly to KAA. People have complained and hopefully they will leave it alone, the drive from that area to Chantilly talkes 5-7 minutes and nobody wants to be split off from the neighborhood.

What on earth are you talking about? Almost all of Tuckaway is Franklin Farm. Only the one little tiny part between Thompson Road and 286 is Franklin Glen. Or is that what you are trying to say? It's very challenging to follow your thoughts.

PP is clearly talking about Ashvale Dr, which should be zoned to Lees Corner. I guess someone really wanted to go to Crossfield when the boundary was set.

Trying to remember how this happened. One part of Ashvale is Franklin Glen. The other is Franklin Manor. It was developed at two different times, I think. And, when Franklin Glen was built, FFX County parkway was not--it divided Franklin Glen after it was built. I think Franklin Manor was built later. Have no clue why it was zoned that way for schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Its not about white kids. Its about the FARMs rate. Oakton's is absurdly low for an FCPS HS-only 13%. All the other Western area HS are more in the 30-40+ percent range.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

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Franklin Farm need some serious rezoning to make it right for Franklin Farm families.

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Anonymous wrote:Its not about white kids. Its about the FARMs rate. Oakton's is absurdly low for an FCPS HS-only 13%. All the other Western area HS are more in the 30-40+ percent range.

West of Oakton there's a lot of large homes with large lots. It's hard to up those rookie farms numbers without serious redevelopment.bik sure the Oakton has community is clamoring for high density.

Want to try that again?

I think the poster was trying to say that there are lots of big houses on big lots in Oakton, which means the FARMs rate is going to be lower. There are not places to build apartments, townhouses, or houses that would be available to lower SES families. It is the same issue that you have with McLean and Langley. And, not surprisingly, low FARM schools tend to have better test scores and higher achieving students because they have parents who make more money, which correlates with being more educated. Parents expect kids to take harder classes and supplement to make sure that kids are able to do well in those classes. This means they do better on the SAT/ACT and SOLs. Parents with money buy into those school districts for a reason.

The issues that the Crossfield, and Great Falls, families have is that they bought on the outer edge of the school district and are vulnerable to being redistricted. The parents don't want to move from schools that are seen as being excellent where they know the community and the opportunity. Great Falls doesn't want to move from one of the highest ranked schools in the state to Herndon, one of the lowest ranked schools in the county. Some Crossfield/Navy don't want to move from a school that is known to be excellent to a school with no history.

I get it. I have no problem with their campaigning to stay where they are. I do think that there is a sense of entitlement that is off putting. The school board is not worried about peoples property values, they should be drawing boundaries that make sense. Crossfield to KAA makes sense because it is close buy for most of the families. Same for Great Falls. I understand arguing that Oakton isn't overcrowded so move kids from schools that are or are close to being overcrowded. There are arguments that they can make that would be less entitled. And I think that there are people upset because the group claims to speak for everyone when they don't.

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Finally to the point. The attack is not about the school, is about the people who live in Oakton.

Didn't someone just posted that the house value are the same within Franklin farm regardless you are zoned to Oakton HS or not?

I guess the attack is from family living outside Franklin Farm. Those people want to move to Franklin Farm, but they can not for some weird reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally to the point. The attack is not about the school, is about the people who live in Oakton.

Didn't someone just posted that the house value are the same within Franklin farm regardless you are zoned to Oakton HS or not?

I guess the attack is from family living outside Franklin Farm. Those people want to move to Franklin Farm, but they can not for some weird reason.

Your posts are nonsensical and painful to read. The previous poster’s last paragraph was spot on. Some of us who live in Franklin Farm are grossed out by the entitlement being displayed by our neighbors. Can you please get it through your head that different people living in the same neighborhood can have different opinions?

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Anonymous wrote:Finally to the point. The attack is not about the school, is about the people who live in Oakton.

Didn't someone just posted that the house value are the same within Franklin farm regardless you are zoned to Oakton HS or not?

I guess the attack is from family living outside Franklin Farm. Those people want to move to Franklin Farm, but they can not for some weird reason.

Your posts are nonsensical and painful to read. The previous poster’s last paragraph was spot on. Some of us who live in Franklin Farm are grossed out by the entitlement being displayed by our neighbors. Can you please get it through your head that different people living in the same neighborhood can have different opinions?

FWIW. there is a poster on this thread claiming he/she lives closer to Oakton. Another poster checked it out--and there is no one in the Crossfield zone that lives closer to Oakton. I checked it, too, and, I agree--KAA is closer.

And, for all this talk about Franklin Farm, there is no question that Franklin Farm is much closer to KAA. The poster claiming otherwise does not live in Franklin Farm--but still lives closer to KAA than Oakton.

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Anonymous wrote:Its not about white kids. Its about the FARMs rate. Oakton's is absurdly low for an FCPS HS-only 13%. All the other Western area HS are more in the 30-40+ percent range.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally to the point. The attack is not about the school, is about the people who live in Oakton.

Didn't someone just posted that the house value are the same within Franklin farm regardless you are zoned to Oakton HS or not?

I guess the attack is from family living outside Franklin Farm. Those people want to move to Franklin Farm, but they can not for some weird reason.

Your posts are nonsensical and painful to read. The previous poster’s last paragraph was spot on. Some of us who live in Franklin Farm are grossed out by the entitlement being displayed by our neighbors. Can you please get it through your head that different people living in the same neighborhood can have different opinions?

This is why I asked them to please stop posting earlier. There’s obviously a language barrier.