Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

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Anonymous wrote:Given that they have oodles of money and celebrities don’t actually care about the climate crisis as much as they say they do, there isn’t any reason they couldn’t share custody one week on one week off and just fly the kids back and forth across the pond. As to school - lots of people homeschool and there isn’t any reason these girls couldn’t be homeschooled by tutors in order to accommodate living on two continents.

What will be interesting to see is if their father actually cares about their emotional and social well being enough to support them having one home base - in the UK as he promised their mother - so they can have a normal life attending a real school and making friends and playing sports or instruments or whatever other extracurricular activities they are drawn to.

Given the character he has displayed this far, I doubt very much he will ever put his kids best interests first ahead of his ego. And in that regard, he is much like the majority of fathers everywhere.

So only the father has to make sacrifices to ensure the children have a normal life?

If Joe wants to give them that in the US, then he can settle down in the city of his choice, create a stable support system around them with his family, and do it. There is literally nothing stopping him from saying "actually, we can create a stable life for them her in [NY or LA] and I'm looking into houses and schools and figuring it out.

But he's not. Sophie has actually figured that out. She's actually taken steps to create a life for their kids and put thought into how to do it so that it's safe and stable for them. She's chosen Warwickshire over London specifically because she wants to give her kids a childhood like the one she had.

Joe is mad about the fact that it's a life based in the UK, but why isn't he trying to create a similar life for them in the US? While in the US, the bounced from LA to Miami and now don't even have a home here where their kids have rooms of their own. What kind of life is that?

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Anonymous wrote:Accordint to past social media, the Jonas Brothers started rtour rehearsals in the USA for the tour at the end of June / beginning of July so it seems Joe likely brought the kids with him then - which aligns with his having the kids for 3 months statement. The tour started August 12 but lots of social media posts in July about the rehearsals.

According to Sophie's filing, Joe was in England until July 31st, when he left with the kids for his tour. It's possible he went to those rehearsals in June/July, but unless Sophie is flat out lying in her filing (very unlikely), he must have just come out for a few days here and there. Even if he brought the kids with him on some or all of those trips (unlikely given their ages), that's not the same as the kids being in his primary custody away from Sophie for 3 months. Even if she was working, if he was in England with the kids, they would be in their joint custody during that time.

And here is where I note that it's stuff like this that makes me pro-Sophie in this matter because Joe is trying to make it sound like, because Sophie was working for a few months and he spent a month or two as the primary parent during the most intense part of her shoot, he has somehow become the primary parent forever and Sophie has abdicated her responsibilities towards the kids.

This is a woman who literally did not work for 3 years while having these kids, despite working in an industry where giving up 3 years of your late 20s to stay home is worth a LOT of money, and having a career where ordinarily she would have been seeking to capitalize on her GoT exposure more aggressively. The fact that he seems to be using the only job she has take since getting pregnant with their eldest as evidence that she's just not that into being a mom anymore, while he is constantly touring with two different bands, is the sort of think that makes me really angry. That's why you see so many women talking about this case with some passion. The timing of the divorce and the way Joe seems to be treating a woman who gave up an incredibly successful and lucrative career to stay home with babies for three years, is very... triggering.

According to her Imdb page she has been working all along. Not on major movie roles but she has multiple mini series, a movie, a few TV projects etc. It doesn't seem she hasn't worked or had any jobs.

I think people view this and most situations through their own bias. You can decide that the man could only have bad intentions and be a non primary father and view everythign he says and does that that lens and the woman must of course be the nurturing doting primary parent who could only ever have good intentions. For myself, based on my life, I don't have that lens. My good and bad people / parents isn't split along the lines of men (bad) and woman (good). I have no idea what has really happened but I don't assume that since she is the woman and a mother she can do no wrong and since he is a man and father he must be at fault for everything and couldn't possibly have looked after his kids.

DP. None of the things she has done required the time commitment she previously put into her prior roles that brought her to prominence. It could be a coincidence but does appear to be more of a choice. She also hasn’t played any pregnant women to my knowledge so almost certainly wasn’t doing anything at that time.

She was pregnant and had two kids! Nothing wrong with some mat leave and taking smaller projects. I am sure a lot of wealthy people take some time off big projects while birthing children. She was still working some though. They seem to have had a nanny throughout despite her 'not working'. I don't see any evidence that this was some abusive plan of Joe forcing her to quit work and be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

No one is saying he was forcing her to stay pregnant and at home. But I wonder how much the move to the UK was intertwined with Sophie returning to taking larger roles. Even with a lot of money and resources, it is really hard to be a mother of two small children while living so far from your family and then also trying to work. Like I don't think it was a coincidence that she started moving her life much more towards the UK around the same time she took her first really significant role post-kids. I think those things were linked, like she realized that if she wants to really work (not jus little voice over gigs or small roles, but major roles like what she was doing before she got married), she'd need to be in a situation where she had a really strong support system around her and the kids, a strong home base she could always go back to.

And she wasn't getting that in the US. I don't know why, but they stayed in that LA house for really not that long. Then they buy the house in Miami, which definitely seems like a move incentives by taxes but also sounds like crap timing for a family that has one toddler and a baby on the way. And again, I would bet you anything through all of that, Sophie was just feeling kind of homesick, dealing with doctors visits and childbirth and all of it in Miami, where she doesn't even have a lot of friends? I'm sorry that sounds lonely as hell.

So the timing just really stinks because what it looks like is that Sophie was trying to find a way to make motherhood work for her by doing what a lot of women do -- moving closer to family, leaning into a support system, digging back into work but in a supported way that doesn't compromise your kids. And Joe couldn't get on board.

Is making fatherhood work for him also important? They both became parents at the same time. They should have been focusing on making parenthood work for them. Her staying in the US means she is away from her family and support network and him going to the UK means he is away from his family and his support network.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is a mess but I'm a mom and there are few things more cruel than trying to keep a mom of very young children separated from her children. I will fight pretty much anyone on that, whether we're talking about a woman in prison or a wealthy actress in a mansion in the UK countryside. The bond between moms and babies/small kids is sacrosanct to me and I think it should only be broken if the mom is unwilling or unable to parent. The idea of someone trying to separate me from my kids at that age makes me think very dark thoughts.

Joe Jonas is absolute garbage.

Is he trying to keep them apart, or is he trying to prevent her from attempting to establish the kids primary residence in the UK now that they’re divorcing? Because of those IS cruel and one is protecting his rights as a parent.

If he is withholding the kids passports, thus forcing Sophie to come to him if she wants to be with her kids, it's cruel. The legalities of a divorce between two people with different nationalities is not my concern -- they should both have thought of that before getting married and having kids. But I just think it's cruel to attempt to separate very young children from their mother. Even if he has a legal justification for it, it's immoral. Their youngest daughter is only like 14 months old. These are babies.

It makes me feel physically unwell to think of a mother of children that age being separated from her children, for any reason other than the idea that she is an unfit mother. It's the only reason. Very young children should be with their mother if at all possible.

Is it better to separate young kids from their father? Their reality is that they are from different countries. And if they’re divorced, they could be parenting on different continents. One of them is going to have more access than the other unless they agree to live in one spot.

It’s not crazy to me that if they’d lived on one location since the kids were born and suddenly moved to England as things were going south, that the US born spouse would want to move back where they and their kids had been living. She could just as easily have pressured Joe to move to the UK months ago knowing that they were headed for a divorce and wanting to establish their residence there.

They were living in LA when their oldest was born and when Covid started. They sold their LA house and bought the Miami house in 2021. Then in 2022, their second daughter was born AND they put their Miami house on the market and sold it. Around the same time, the found a house rental in the UK near Sophie's family and Sophie took a job filming in the UK. Joe came to stay with Sophie in spring 2023.

Their older daughter has thus lived in at least three if not more houses, and as many cities, since she was born 3 years ago. Their youngest does not appear to have ever lived anywhere for more than a few months at a time. The family does not have a home base. However, it looks like they secured a house in the UK near Sophie's family, and Sophie took a job there, with the intention of putting down roots there.

If Joe wants to back out of that and divorce instead, that's his choice, but the idea that it means that the kids can't go to the UK with their mother because of their "connection" to the US is ludicrous. They have no more connection to the US than they do to the UK. Where even is there home in the US? LA? NY? Not Miami, that house is gone. Joe's been on tour this year and it's not clear where his home base is. Is his argument that it's better for these very young children to live out of hotels in random cities instead of in a permanent home near extended family with their mother?

Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas' living arrangements revealed:

3 September to 1 October 2022: New York (rental)

1 October to 7 October 2022: Puglia, Italy (rental)

7 October to 15 October 2022: London (rental)

15 October to 22 November 2022 New York (rental)

22 November to 16 December 2022: Miami (parties' property)

16 December to 23 December 2022: London (hotel)

23 December to 27 December 2022: Warwickshire (rental)

27 December to 5 January 2023: London (hotel)

5 January to 9 February 2023: Miami (parties' property)

9 February to 16 February 2023: Lake Tahoe (rental)

16 February to 20 February 2023: Las Vegas (hotel)

20 February to 10 March 2023: Miami (parties' property)

10 March to 25 March 2023: New York (rental)

25 March to 29 March 2023: New York (rental)

29 March to 31 March 2023: Hamptons (friend's house)

31 March to 10 April 2023: New York (rental)

Not a lot of time spent in the UK...

Well that's because you omitted paragraphs after that describing where they lived starting on April 10th, genius. According to Sophie's filing, they shipped the kids stuff to the UK in March and moved there in April, in a long term rental while house shopping and then going under contract for a house in July.

So yeah, I guess if you omit the months they lived in the UK, and only list the stuff before that when they were bouncing around, it looks like not a lot of time in the UK

This was the entire list in the article that I read: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12545565/Sophie-Turner-Joe-Jonas-filed-divorce-MEDIA-LYING-court-documents.html

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I can't cut and paste but here's the full document the Daily Fail took that from that also details where they lived April-August: https://www.scribd.com/document/672750407/Sophie-Turner-Joe-Jonas

I know this might come as a shock to you, but the Daily Mail is an absolute piece of excrement, not worth the pixels it's printed on, and just repeating crap they "report" is like picking trash out of garbage and serving it to houseguests.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is a mess but I'm a mom and there are few things more cruel than trying to keep a mom of very young children separated from her children. I will fight pretty much anyone on that, whether we're talking about a woman in prison or a wealthy actress in a mansion in the UK countryside. The bond between moms and babies/small kids is sacrosanct to me and I think it should only be broken if the mom is unwilling or unable to parent. The idea of someone trying to separate me from my kids at that age makes me think very dark thoughts.

Joe Jonas is absolute garbage.

Is he trying to keep them apart, or is he trying to prevent her from attempting to establish the kids primary residence in the UK now that they’re divorcing? Because of those IS cruel and one is protecting his rights as a parent.

If he is withholding the kids passports, thus forcing Sophie to come to him if she wants to be with her kids, it's cruel. The legalities of a divorce between two people with different nationalities is not my concern -- they should both have thought of that before getting married and having kids. But I just think it's cruel to attempt to separate very young children from their mother. Even if he has a legal justification for it, it's immoral. Their youngest daughter is only like 14 months old. These are babies.

It makes me feel physically unwell to think of a mother of children that age being separated from her children, for any reason other than the idea that she is an unfit mother. It's the only reason. Very young children should be with their mother if at all possible.

Is it better to separate young kids from their father? Their reality is that they are from different countries. And if they’re divorced, they could be parenting on different continents. One of them is going to have more access than the other unless they agree to live in one spot.

It’s not crazy to me that if they’d lived on one location since the kids were born and suddenly moved to England as things were going south, that the US born spouse would want to move back where they and their kids had been living. She could just as easily have pressured Joe to move to the UK months ago knowing that they were headed for a divorce and wanting to establish their residence there.

They were living in LA when their oldest was born and when Covid started. They sold their LA house and bought the Miami house in 2021. Then in 2022, their second daughter was born AND they put their Miami house on the market and sold it. Around the same time, the found a house rental in the UK near Sophie's family and Sophie took a job filming in the UK. Joe came to stay with Sophie in spring 2023.

Their older daughter has thus lived in at least three if not more houses, and as many cities, since she was born 3 years ago. Their youngest does not appear to have ever lived anywhere for more than a few months at a time. The family does not have a home base. However, it looks like they secured a house in the UK near Sophie's family, and Sophie took a job there, with the intention of putting down roots there.

If Joe wants to back out of that and divorce instead, that's his choice, but the idea that it means that the kids can't go to the UK with their mother because of their "connection" to the US is ludicrous. They have no more connection to the US than they do to the UK. Where even is there home in the US? LA? NY? Not Miami, that house is gone. Joe's been on tour this year and it's not clear where his home base is. Is his argument that it's better for these very young children to live out of hotels in random cities instead of in a permanent home near extended family with their mother?

Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas' living arrangements revealed:

3 September to 1 October 2022: New York (rental)

1 October to 7 October 2022: Puglia, Italy (rental)

7 October to 15 October 2022: London (rental)

15 October to 22 November 2022 New York (rental)

22 November to 16 December 2022: Miami (parties' property)

16 December to 23 December 2022: London (hotel)

23 December to 27 December 2022: Warwickshire (rental)

27 December to 5 January 2023: London (hotel)

5 January to 9 February 2023: Miami (parties' property)

9 February to 16 February 2023: Lake Tahoe (rental)

16 February to 20 February 2023: Las Vegas (hotel)

20 February to 10 March 2023: Miami (parties' property)

10 March to 25 March 2023: New York (rental)

25 March to 29 March 2023: New York (rental)

29 March to 31 March 2023: Hamptons (friend's house)

31 March to 10 April 2023: New York (rental)

Not a lot of time spent in the UK...

Well that's because you omitted paragraphs after that describing where they lived starting on April 10th, genius. According to Sophie's filing, they shipped the kids stuff to the UK in March and moved there in April, in a long term rental while house shopping and then going under contract for a house in July.

So yeah, I guess if you omit the months they lived in the UK, and only list the stuff before that when they were bouncing around, it looks like not a lot of time in the UK

This was the entire list in the article that I read: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12545565/Sophie-Turner-Joe-Jonas-filed-divorce-MEDIA-LYING-court-documents.html

What a

I can't cut and paste but here's the full document the Daily Fail took that from that also details where they lived April-August: https://www.scribd.com/document/672750407/Sophie-Turner-Joe-Jonas

I know this might come as a shock to you, but the Daily Mail is an absolute piece of excrement, not worth the pixels it's printed on, and just repeating crap they "report" is like picking trash out of garbage and serving it to houseguests.

No argument that the Daily Mail is atrocious, but I've been pretty perturbed by the reporting of a lot of news outlets, having actually read the filing. So many quoting things out of context, mischaracterizing things, etc. I should know better, I guess, but it's pretty shocking.

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Anonymous wrote:Accordint to past social media, the Jonas Brothers started rtour rehearsals in the USA for the tour at the end of June / beginning of July so it seems Joe likely brought the kids with him then - which aligns with his having the kids for 3 months statement. The tour started August 12 but lots of social media posts in July about the rehearsals.

According to Sophie's filing, Joe was in England until July 31st, when he left with the kids for his tour. It's possible he went to those rehearsals in June/July, but unless Sophie is flat out lying in her filing (very unlikely), he must have just come out for a few days here and there. Even if he brought the kids with him on some or all of those trips (unlikely given their ages), that's not the same as the kids being in his primary custody away from Sophie for 3 months. Even if she was working, if he was in England with the kids, they would be in their joint custody during that time.

And here is where I note that it's stuff like this that makes me pro-Sophie in this matter because Joe is trying to make it sound like, because Sophie was working for a few months and he spent a month or two as the primary parent during the most intense part of her shoot, he has somehow become the primary parent forever and Sophie has abdicated her responsibilities towards the kids.

This is a woman who literally did not work for 3 years while having these kids, despite working in an industry where giving up 3 years of your late 20s to stay home is worth a LOT of money, and having a career where ordinarily she would have been seeking to capitalize on her GoT exposure more aggressively. The fact that he seems to be using the only job she has take since getting pregnant with their eldest as evidence that she's just not that into being a mom anymore, while he is constantly touring with two different bands, is the sort of think that makes me really angry. That's why you see so many women talking about this case with some passion. The timing of the divorce and the way Joe seems to be treating a woman who gave up an incredibly successful and lucrative career to stay home with babies for three years, is very... triggering.

According to her Imdb page she has been working all along. Not on major movie roles but she has multiple mini series, a movie, a few TV projects etc. It doesn't seem she hasn't worked or had any jobs.

I think people view this and most situations through their own bias. You can decide that the man could only have bad intentions and be a non primary father and view everythign he says and does that that lens and the woman must of course be the nurturing doting primary parent who could only ever have good intentions. For myself, based on my life, I don't have that lens. My good and bad people / parents isn't split along the lines of men (bad) and woman (good). I have no idea what has really happened but I don't assume that since she is the woman and a mother she can do no wrong and since he is a man and father he must be at fault for everything and couldn't possibly have looked after his kids.

DP. None of the things she has done required the time commitment she previously put into her prior roles that brought her to prominence. It could be a coincidence but does appear to be more of a choice. She also hasn’t played any pregnant women to my knowledge so almost certainly wasn’t doing anything at that time.

She was pregnant and had two kids! Nothing wrong with some mat leave and taking smaller projects. I am sure a lot of wealthy people take some time off big projects while birthing children. She was still working some though. They seem to have had a nanny throughout despite her 'not working'. I don't see any evidence that this was some abusive plan of Joe forcing her to quit work and be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

No one is saying he was forcing her to stay pregnant and at home. But I wonder how much the move to the UK was intertwined with Sophie returning to taking larger roles. Even with a lot of money and resources, it is really hard to be a mother of two small children while living so far from your family and then also trying to work. Like I don't think it was a coincidence that she started moving her life much more towards the UK around the same time she took her first really significant role post-kids. I think those things were linked, like she realized that if she wants to really work (not jus little voice over gigs or small roles, but major roles like what she was doing before she got married), she'd need to be in a situation where she had a really strong support system around her and the kids, a strong home base she could always go back to.

And she wasn't getting that in the US. I don't know why, but they stayed in that LA house for really not that long. Then they buy the house in Miami, which definitely seems like a move incentives by taxes but also sounds like crap timing for a family that has one toddler and a baby on the way. And again, I would bet you anything through all of that, Sophie was just feeling kind of homesick, dealing with doctors visits and childbirth and all of it in Miami, where she doesn't even have a lot of friends? I'm sorry that sounds lonely as hell.

So the timing just really stinks because what it looks like is that Sophie was trying to find a way to make motherhood work for her by doing what a lot of women do -- moving closer to family, leaning into a support system, digging back into work but in a supported way that doesn't compromise your kids. And Joe couldn't get on board.

Is making fatherhood work for him also important? They both became parents at the same time. They should have been focusing on making parenthood work for them. Her staying in the US means she is away from her family and support network and him going to the UK means he is away from his family and his support network.

This won't go over well with some people, but when kids are under age 5, I think it is much more important to make sure the mom gets the support she needs, because she's generally doing a lot more heavy lifting in terms parenting. I know these are rich, famous people but I doubt their dynamic is much different. Who hires the nannies? Who arranges play dates and enrolls them in activities? Who makes sure they are eating or deals with sleep regressions or finds a good pediatrician in whatever new city they are living in? Who figures out that one kid is afraid of the dark and needs a special night light or she won't be able to fall asleep without someone in the room, but the other one always needs to be give 10 and 5 mint warnings before literally any change of venue or she will absolutely lose her mind? And so on. Yes, nannies will do some of this. Kids still need parents and in most marriages, the mom does the vast majority of that plus is in charge of hiring the nanny and maintaining that relationship.

Thus, most of the time with little kids, it makes sense to live where the mom has the best support network, because she's doing more. I think that's why you see that Sophie has gone to great lengths to construct a home and lifestyle that will be supportive in that way, while Joe has a touring schedules that takes him into the middle of next year and doesn't even have a home. Dads often do not think about this stuff, they let mom do it. Well mom needs help.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is a mess but I'm a mom and there are few things more cruel than trying to keep a mom of very young children separated from her children. I will fight pretty much anyone on that, whether we're talking about a woman in prison or a wealthy actress in a mansion in the UK countryside. The bond between moms and babies/small kids is sacrosanct to me and I think it should only be broken if the mom is unwilling or unable to parent. The idea of someone trying to separate me from my kids at that age makes me think very dark thoughts.

Joe Jonas is absolute garbage.

Is he trying to keep them apart, or is he trying to prevent her from attempting to establish the kids primary residence in the UK now that they’re divorcing? Because of those IS cruel and one is protecting his rights as a parent.

If he is withholding the kids passports, thus forcing Sophie to come to him if she wants to be with her kids, it's cruel. The legalities of a divorce between two people with different nationalities is not my concern -- they should both have thought of that before getting married and having kids. But I just think it's cruel to attempt to separate very young children from their mother. Even if he has a legal justification for it, it's immoral. Their youngest daughter is only like 14 months old. These are babies.

It makes me feel physically unwell to think of a mother of children that age being separated from her children, for any reason other than the idea that she is an unfit mother. It's the only reason. Very young children should be with their mother if at all possible.

Is it better to separate young kids from their father? Their reality is that they are from different countries. And if they’re divorced, they could be parenting on different continents. One of them is going to have more access than the other unless they agree to live in one spot.

It’s not crazy to me that if they’d lived on one location since the kids were born and suddenly moved to England as things were going south, that the US born spouse would want to move back where they and their kids had been living. She could just as easily have pressured Joe to move to the UK months ago knowing that they were headed for a divorce and wanting to establish their residence there.

They were living in LA when their oldest was born and when Covid started. They sold their LA house and bought the Miami house in 2021. Then in 2022, their second daughter was born AND they put their Miami house on the market and sold it. Around the same time, the found a house rental in the UK near Sophie's family and Sophie took a job filming in the UK. Joe came to stay with Sophie in spring 2023.

Their older daughter has thus lived in at least three if not more houses, and as many cities, since she was born 3 years ago. Their youngest does not appear to have ever lived anywhere for more than a few months at a time. The family does not have a home base. However, it looks like they secured a house in the UK near Sophie's family, and Sophie took a job there, with the intention of putting down roots there.

If Joe wants to back out of that and divorce instead, that's his choice, but the idea that it means that the kids can't go to the UK with their mother because of their "connection" to the US is ludicrous. They have no more connection to the US than they do to the UK. Where even is there home in the US? LA? NY? Not Miami, that house is gone. Joe's been on tour this year and it's not clear where his home base is. Is his argument that it's better for these very young children to live out of hotels in random cities instead of in a permanent home near extended family with their mother?

Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas' living arrangements revealed:

3 September to 1 October 2022: New York (rental)

1 October to 7 October 2022: Puglia, Italy (rental)

7 October to 15 October 2022: London (rental)

15 October to 22 November 2022 New York (rental)

22 November to 16 December 2022: Miami (parties' property)

16 December to 23 December 2022: London (hotel)

23 December to 27 December 2022: Warwickshire (rental)

27 December to 5 January 2023: London (hotel)

5 January to 9 February 2023: Miami (parties' property)

9 February to 16 February 2023: Lake Tahoe (rental)

16 February to 20 February 2023: Las Vegas (hotel)

20 February to 10 March 2023: Miami (parties' property)

10 March to 25 March 2023: New York (rental)

25 March to 29 March 2023: New York (rental)

29 March to 31 March 2023: Hamptons (friend's house)

31 March to 10 April 2023: New York (rental)

Not a lot of time spent in the UK...

Well that's because you omitted paragraphs after that describing where they lived starting on April 10th, genius. According to Sophie's filing, they shipped the kids stuff to the UK in March and moved there in April, in a long term rental while house shopping and then going under contract for a house in July.

So yeah, I guess if you omit the months they lived in the UK, and only list the stuff before that when they were bouncing around, it looks like not a lot of time in the UK

This was the entire list in the article that I read: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12545565/Sophie-Turner-Joe-Jonas-filed-divorce-MEDIA-LYING-court-documents.html

What a

I can't cut and paste but here's the full document the Daily Fail took that from that also details where they lived April-August: https://www.scribd.com/document/672750407/Sophie-Turner-Joe-Jonas

I know this might come as a shock to you, but the Daily Mail is an absolute piece of excrement, not worth the pixels it's printed on, and just repeating crap they "report" is like picking trash out of garbage and serving it to houseguests.

No argument that the Daily Mail is atrocious, but I've been pretty perturbed by the reporting of a lot of news outlets, having actually read the filing. So many quoting things out of context, mischaracterizing things, etc. I should know better, I guess, but it's pretty shocking.

Agree, though some of those are obviously also planted stories by Joe in which the selected quotes were clearly chosen to frame things in a specific way.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is a mess but I'm a mom and there are few things more cruel than trying to keep a mom of very young children separated from her children. I will fight pretty much anyone on that, whether we're talking about a woman in prison or a wealthy actress in a mansion in the UK countryside. The bond between moms and babies/small kids is sacrosanct to me and I think it should only be broken if the mom is unwilling or unable to parent. The idea of someone trying to separate me from my kids at that age makes me think very dark thoughts.

Joe Jonas is absolute garbage.

Is he trying to keep them apart, or is he trying to prevent her from attempting to establish the kids primary residence in the UK now that they’re divorcing? Because of those IS cruel and one is protecting his rights as a parent.

If he is withholding the kids passports, thus forcing Sophie to come to him if she wants to be with her kids, it's cruel. The legalities of a divorce between two people with different nationalities is not my concern -- they should both have thought of that before getting married and having kids. But I just think it's cruel to attempt to separate very young children from their mother. Even if he has a legal justification for it, it's immoral. Their youngest daughter is only like 14 months old. These are babies.

It makes me feel physically unwell to think of a mother of children that age being separated from her children, for any reason other than the idea that she is an unfit mother. It's the only reason. Very young children should be with their mother if at all possible.

Is it better to separate young kids from their father? Their reality is that they are from different countries. And if they’re divorced, they could be parenting on different continents. One of them is going to have more access than the other unless they agree to live in one spot.

It’s not crazy to me that if they’d lived on one location since the kids were born and suddenly moved to England as things were going south, that the US born spouse would want to move back where they and their kids had been living. She could just as easily have pressured Joe to move to the UK months ago knowing that they were headed for a divorce and wanting to establish their residence there.

They were living in LA when their oldest was born and when Covid started. They sold their LA house and bought the Miami house in 2021. Then in 2022, their second daughter was born AND they put their Miami house on the market and sold it. Around the same time, the found a house rental in the UK near Sophie's family and Sophie took a job filming in the UK. Joe came to stay with Sophie in spring 2023.

Their older daughter has thus lived in at least three if not more houses, and as many cities, since she was born 3 years ago. Their youngest does not appear to have ever lived anywhere for more than a few months at a time. The family does not have a home base. However, it looks like they secured a house in the UK near Sophie's family, and Sophie took a job there, with the intention of putting down roots there.

If Joe wants to back out of that and divorce instead, that's his choice, but the idea that it means that the kids can't go to the UK with their mother because of their "connection" to the US is ludicrous. They have no more connection to the US than they do to the UK. Where even is there home in the US? LA? NY? Not Miami, that house is gone. Joe's been on tour this year and it's not clear where his home base is. Is his argument that it's better for these very young children to live out of hotels in random cities instead of in a permanent home near extended family with their mother?

Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas' living arrangements revealed:

3 September to 1 October 2022: New York (rental)

1 October to 7 October 2022: Puglia, Italy (rental)

7 October to 15 October 2022: London (rental)

15 October to 22 November 2022 New York (rental)

22 November to 16 December 2022: Miami (parties' property)

16 December to 23 December 2022: London (hotel)

23 December to 27 December 2022: Warwickshire (rental)

27 December to 5 January 2023: London (hotel)

5 January to 9 February 2023: Miami (parties' property)

9 February to 16 February 2023: Lake Tahoe (rental)

16 February to 20 February 2023: Las Vegas (hotel)

20 February to 10 March 2023: Miami (parties' property)

10 March to 25 March 2023: New York (rental)

25 March to 29 March 2023: New York (rental)

29 March to 31 March 2023: Hamptons (friend's house)

31 March to 10 April 2023: New York (rental)

Not a lot of time spent in the UK...

Well that's because you omitted paragraphs after that describing where they lived starting on April 10th, genius. According to Sophie's filing, they shipped the kids stuff to the UK in March and moved there in April, in a long term rental while house shopping and then going under contract for a house in July.

So yeah, I guess if you omit the months they lived in the UK, and only list the stuff before that when they were bouncing around, it looks like not a lot of time in the UK

This was the entire list in the article that I read: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12545565/Sophie-Turner-Joe-Jonas-filed-divorce-MEDIA-LYING-court-documents.html

What a

If you read Sophie's filing, it explains their move to the UK in April 2023 and the fact that they have been based their since then. Joe then went on tour and it was agreed he would take them for the month of August and then Sophie would meet them in NY (before the fight happened.)

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I hope Millie Bobbie Brown is paying attention. She’s only 19 and getting married.

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Now TMZ has a picture of them together out for dinner with their kids on Monday.

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I think she was embarrassed at all the talk of her partying and this stunt is damage control. Joe Jonas is not flakey and even his statement was calm and reasonable. The kids are American citizens and have never lived abroad so this idea of homeland feels like a stunt. He also said the kids can go back and forth but her attempt to have this adjudicated abroad is lame. He is going to be super careful after what Kelly Rutherford has experienced when her kids got shipped abroad. Hopefully they can work this out. Sad to see this kind of drama.

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Anonymous wrote:I am strangely following this drama. I don’t know the Jonas brothers at all. Watched GoT though. I don’t understand couples like this. Why don’t they do fun stuff together and not get divorced? He sounds like a downer who can’t have fun. She sounds like a crazed party girl. But jeeez just find the happy medium for both. Ya know like a marriage?!

Have you seen their TikTok accounts? Probably not because you're probably more normal than I am, but I have seen them, and let me tell you they seemed like a really, really fun couple. Of course that was curated but they did a lot of fun stuff together.

I’m PP. In retrospect my post above wasn’t fair to her because he is the one saying that she’s a partier. Even if she is going out, she’s 27!! Who wouldn’t want to go out at 27?! I don’t have TikTok. But he sounds like a drag. If he is fun then he is doing a smear campaign on her.

DP. Obviously I don't know them (I haven't even seen their TikToks, lol). But based just on what I do know, this really seems like a situation where a guy married a gorgeous, talented, successful, young, fun woman, and then tried to put her in a nice confined box so only he could enjoy her. The timing of their marital problems, rumors he wanted more kids even though she clearly doesn't (and is soooo young -- there is no reason for them to have another kid right now when she could definitely have a kid in 6 or 7 years if they decided they wanted more), and then the extremely biased press leaks about her being a partier and painting him as a dutiful father and primary parent when she was home with the kids for actual years before filming this show in the UK. The whole think makes me feel icky. He seems very controlling and scared of Sophie having freedom or independence.

This is how I feel about Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, except it seems to be working (so far, anyway).

Oh I don't get this vibe from Blake and Ryan at all. It feels like she kind of runs that relationship more than he does, and I think a lot of their choices (including all their kids and where they choose to live) were driven by her vision for their family. He works more than she does, but she does some very high profile stuff and he is always suuuuuper supportive in a very visible way on it, like when she co-chaired the Met Ball. She also developed her own product via his beverage company and she's been very forward about promoting it and he seems supportive. I don't get that "please just stay home and be quiet and pop out more babies for me" vibe from him the way I very much do from Joe Jonas.

Reynolds and Lively have the similar star status. Jonas is some boy band guy that only certain people know. Turner is a far better known star than he is. I don’t get the sense Lively or Reynolds married down. You do with Turner, she married down.

Joe Jonas' wealth = $50 million; Sophie Turner = $12 million. Obviously, a few people have heard of the Jonas Brothers.

Except his career has already crested and hers has barely begun. The Jonas brothers are already a bit old to be a boy band.

I’m his age. I wouldn’t mind a crested career and 50mil in the bank.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she was embarrassed at all the talk of her partying and this stunt is damage control. Joe Jonas is not flakey and even his statement was calm and reasonable. The kids are American citizens and have never lived abroad so this idea of homeland feels like a stunt. He also said the kids can go back and forth but her attempt to have this adjudicated abroad is lame. He is going to be super careful after what Kelly Rutherford has experienced when her kids got shipped abroad. Hopefully they can work this out. Sad to see this kind of drama.

The kids are also UK citizens and dad decided to divorce mom who lives in the UK. It’s reasonable for her to want a UK court to decide custody considering they own a home there and intended to settle there long term. He’s a monster trying to steal kids don’t their mother

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Anonymous wrote:I think she was embarrassed at all the talk of her partying and this stunt is damage control. Joe Jonas is not flakey and even his statement was calm and reasonable. The kids are American citizens and have never lived abroad so this idea of homeland feels like a stunt. He also said the kids can go back and forth but her attempt to have this adjudicated abroad is lame. He is going to be super careful after what Kelly Rutherford has experienced when her kids got shipped abroad. Hopefully they can work this out. Sad to see this kind of drama.

She had no reason to be embarrassed because the talk of her partying was made up. Joe now claims he wasn't behind those rumors but, uh... who was? If it wasn't him, it was someone close to him who thought they were doing him a favor, because they were transparent efforts to smear Sophie as a bad mom right before a huge custody battle. If Joe didn't actually plant the items, he knows who did.

The kids are dual citizens and have spent quite a bit of time in the UK. The youngest is barely a year so like 20-30% of her life. And Sophie's entire family is there. So it's not a "stunt" -- they are British citizens and their British mom wants to live with them in England. Which means if Sophie's desire to adjudicate it in England is "lame" then Joe's attempt to adjudicate it in the US (especially in Florida where they no longer live) is also "lame."

Very little similarity to the Rutherford case -- her kids got "shipped abroad" because she messed up her legal case by trying to keep the kids from him altogether and trying to get him deported. Hopefully none of that happens here.

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Isn’t it good that they are keeping it together and spending time with the kids? That’s the only positive thing I’ve read about Jonas.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she was embarrassed at all the talk of her partying and this stunt is damage control. Joe Jonas is not flakey and even his statement was calm and reasonable. The kids are American citizens and have never lived abroad so this idea of homeland feels like a stunt. He also said the kids can go back and forth but her attempt to have this adjudicated abroad is lame. He is going to be super careful after what Kelly Rutherford has experienced when her kids got shipped abroad. Hopefully they can work this out. Sad to see this kind of drama.

The kids are also UK citizens and dad decided to divorce mom who lives in the UK. It’s reasonable for her to want a UK court to decide custody considering they own a home there and intended to settle there long term. He’s a monster trying to steal kids don’t their mother

The kids have never lived in UK . The kids were born in USA and their passports are USA. If they were British she could have gotten another passport but she cannot. This is all a stunt. Interesting that she was seen having lunch with him and the kids which backs up his surprise that she suddenly went scorched earth.