New VA trans policies for schools

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Anonymous wrote:This issue isn’t as cut and dry as everyone is making it out to be. My daughter never showed any signs of not fully embracing being a girl. She was violently assaulted and is now suffering from severe PTSD. Over a matter of weeks, my child went from asking me to order her cute dresses from Japan to suddenly deciding she was a boy. The school totally complied without our knowledge. We discovered this when we found a school worksheet she signed with another name. My child has been in extensive therapy and, while doing better as far as the PTSD, is still very uncomfortable with her body. To all the teachers and others on this thread: do you really think you know my child better than I do? Better than the army of therapists and doctors who see her regularly? Am I a transphobic bigot because I see the connection between the assault and her suddenly wanting to be a boy? And, wanting to back off and wait as opposed to diving in to transitioning? What others do with their children is none of my business - I don’t know their situation and I’m sure they are doing what they feel is best for their child. I wish others would acknowledge that the experience of others may be different.
Sorry, I just found many of these comments really upsetting…

I’m so sorry.

I was sexually assaulted when I was 13. I am fairly certain that as a neuro-atypical girl who was severely disassociating from my body as a result of the attack, a trans identity would have been extremely appealing at the time. I wish you and your child the best of luck.

Unfortunately trans activists like the ones posting believe they know what’s better for your child. They believe they know your child more than you.

That is the impression I am getting - that and it is somehow my fault. Oh, and previous poster: thank you so much for the kind words.

It's not clear what your issue is with the teachers. You think the teachers are helping your kid to get medication? Or...you're mad that the teachers are using a preferred name?

Good lord… I’m not an idiot and I don’t think the school is trying to give my kid freaking hormones. In my situation, a heads-up that my kid was requesting to be called by a male name that is completely unlike her own would have been nice. My child’s doctors could have been made aware sooner.

It’s not a teachers fault that your relationship with your child sucks.

See, these are who trans activists are. They simply do not care about the sexual assault of children or recovery from that assault. Kind of amazing how willing the PP is to just come out and prove the point immediately.

Well this thread went downhill fast. They anti trans folks can't have a convo without vilifying the parents and teachers who are standing up for trans kids rights and safety. Very disturbing.

Maybe you should stop harassing and blaming the parent of a child who has suffered a sexual assault and is doing her best to help that child. That’s extremely disturbing.

That wasn't me, I was just making an observation about your attacks

It is your side. It deserves to be called out and it is a recognizable pattern of behavior.

I’m tired of this anti-girl theology. I’m sick and tired of the gaslighting and the falsehoods. And I am sick of people who attack the parents of sexual assault victims who are disassociating from their bodies. Get your side to be less awful if you don’t want attacks. I’m not even someone who thinks these guidelines are well-considered, but I am so sick of this anti-girl belief system you demand we adopt.

pro trans is not anti girl

Pro trans in sports most certainly is anti- female.

Women should support women.

Instead of punching down on vulnerable people, why not fight the real issues that exist in women’s athletics - disproportionate opportunities, facilities, and funding/pay for women’s sports.

Actually I do support women, and that includes trans women. You just support *some* women. See the difference?

No, I meant women should support women. All women, including transgender women.

Transgender women are not women. They are transwomen.

How about transwomen support women and stop encroaching on our SEX SEGRAGATED spaces.

Let me guess- you’re not actually a woman. Just a Fox News goon who plays one on DCUM. Because if you were, you’d know that sex segregated spaces are historically where women’s opportunity has gone to die. Also, where women have done awful stuff to each other, like FGM, footbinding, and reinforcing the patriarchy like crabs in a barrel. Also where I’ve waited forever just to pee because there are never enough stalls.

In fact, this actual born female can’t think of a less safe and pleasant space to be than a sex segregated place that excludes trans people.

You are an actual born idiot. Women didn't build the bathroom plans. Those have been around for generations. Womend didn't invent FGM - that is demanded by MEN. You are so stupid I just can't believe you actually believe the crap you type.

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Anonymous wrote:This issue isn’t as cut and dry as everyone is making it out to be. My daughter never showed any signs of not fully embracing being a girl. She was violently assaulted and is now suffering from severe PTSD. Over a matter of weeks, my child went from asking me to order her cute dresses from Japan to suddenly deciding she was a boy. The school totally complied without our knowledge. We discovered this when we found a school worksheet she signed with another name. My child has been in extensive therapy and, while doing better as far as the PTSD, is still very uncomfortable with her body. To all the teachers and others on this thread: do you really think you know my child better than I do? Better than the army of therapists and doctors who see her regularly? Am I a transphobic bigot because I see the connection between the assault and her suddenly wanting to be a boy? And, wanting to back off and wait as opposed to diving in to transitioning? What others do with their children is none of my business - I don’t know their situation and I’m sure they are doing what they feel is best for their child. I wish others would acknowledge that the experience of others may be different.
Sorry, I just found many of these comments really upsetting…

I’m so sorry.

I was sexually assaulted when I was 13. I am fairly certain that as a neuro-atypical girl who was severely disassociating from my body as a result of the attack, a trans identity would have been extremely appealing at the time. I wish you and your child the best of luck.

Unfortunately trans activists like the ones posting believe they know what’s better for your child. They believe they know your child more than you.

That is the impression I am getting - that and it is somehow my fault. Oh, and previous poster: thank you so much for the kind words.

It's not clear what your issue is with the teachers. You think the teachers are helping your kid to get medication? Or...you're mad that the teachers are using a preferred name?

Good lord… I’m not an idiot and I don’t think the school is trying to give my kid freaking hormones. In my situation, a heads-up that my kid was requesting to be called by a male name that is completely unlike her own would have been nice. My child’s doctors could have been made aware sooner.

It’s not a teachers fault that your relationship with your child sucks.

See, these are who trans activists are. They simply do not care about the sexual assault of children or recovery from that assault. Kind of amazing how willing the PP is to just come out and prove the point immediately.

Well this thread went downhill fast. They anti trans folks can't have a convo without vilifying the parents and teachers who are standing up for trans kids rights and safety. Very disturbing.

Maybe you should stop harassing and blaming the parent of a child who has suffered a sexual assault and is doing her best to help that child. That’s extremely disturbing.

That wasn't me, I was just making an observation about your attacks

It is your side. It deserves to be called out and it is a recognizable pattern of behavior.

I’m tired of this anti-girl theology. I’m sick and tired of the gaslighting and the falsehoods. And I am sick of people who attack the parents of sexual assault victims who are disassociating from their bodies. Get your side to be less awful if you don’t want attacks. I’m not even someone who thinks these guidelines are well-considered, but I am so sick of this anti-girl belief system you demand we adopt.

pro trans is not anti girl

Pro trans in sports most certainly is anti- female.

Women should support women.

Instead of punching down on vulnerable people, why not fight the real issues that exist in women’s athletics - disproportionate opportunities, facilities, and funding/pay for women’s sports.

Actually I do support women, and that includes trans women. You just support *some* women. See the difference?

No, I meant women should support women. All women, including transgender women.

Transgender women are not women. They are transwomen.

How about transwomen support women and stop encroaching on our SEX SEGRAGATED spaces.

Let me guess- you’re not actually a woman. Just a Fox News goon who plays one on DCUM. Because if you were, you’d know that sex segregated spaces are historically where women’s opportunity has gone to die. Also, where women have done awful stuff to each other, like FGM, footbinding, and reinforcing the patriarchy like crabs in a barrel. Also where I’ve waited forever just to pee because there are never enough stalls.

In fact, this actual born female can’t think of a less safe and pleasant space to be than a sex segregated place that excludes trans people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alumnae_of_women%27s_colleges_in_the_United_States

List of women whose opportunity died in sex segregated spaces

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Call me archaic, but parents are responsible for their children and their children’s mental health more than the schools.
I don’t care what pronouns are used my nickname used, but if a parent inquires, or something is hidden from a parent, the school has overstepped its boundaries.

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Anonymous wrote:Social supports in school are such a basic level acknowledgment of an individual’s humanity.

Pushing this out to pro sports or medical transitions is so far past what APS is addressing.

Acknowledging identity is not harmful. It is not forever molding a student into that identity either. As human being we (hopefully) evolve and mature over our lifetime. Giving young people space to question and/or assert their inner awareness of themselves is a positive. This includes individuals who are questioning for protective reasons, or as a response to puberty.

There are many families who have an unsafe dynamic and giving these students a safe venue to not be on guard and unacknowledged is vital.

Ps. I will not debate you.

+1

Their “arguments” fall apart when you remove the hyperbole.

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Anonymous wrote:Social supports in school are such a basic level acknowledgment of an individual’s humanity.

Pushing this out to pro sports or medical transitions is so far past what APS is addressing.

Acknowledging identity is not harmful. It is not forever molding a student into that identity either. As human being we (hopefully) evolve and mature over our lifetime. Giving young people space to question and/or assert their inner awareness of themselves is a positive. This includes individuals who are questioning for protective reasons, or as a response to puberty.

There are many families who have an unsafe dynamic and giving these students a safe venue to not be on guard and unacknowledged is vital.






Ps. I will not debate you.

+1. Acknowledging identity is not harmful. Teenage years have always been a time for young adults to try on identities, some stick and some don’t. We live in a world now where gender and sexuality are no longer taboo.

Trying on Pronouns or even names is very different from asking for hormones, surgeries or even to change a permanent record.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of mine sent me this podcast episode and I finally listened to it in light of this discussion. I am not a fan of Bari Weiss but I found her interview with Hanna Barnes to be incredibly nuanced and eye opening. It is about the Tavistock Clinic in the UK which has now been closed. I urge you all to take the time to listen to it. Issue isn’t black and white as people make it out to be https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/honestly-with-bari-weiss/id1570872415?i=1000620886057

Bari Weiss is a hack.

I suspect that it because you disagree with this. That does not make her a hack.

She’s an op-ed writer, not an investigative reporter who verifies sources, etc. She just pushes extremely biased RWNJ commentary.

Because you say so? She's hardly right wing.

Says anyone who has read her “work” over the years.

Here is an excellent interview with Hannah Barnes
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gender-a-wider-lens-podcast/id1542655295?i=1000602606912

When you’re afraid of the message, blast the messenger.

I think this is the problem. Too bad because it’s a truly excellent interview and I think that both sides have a lot to learn from it (she’s not against puberty blockers for all kids or gender affirming care for all kids).

Here is a review of Hannah Barnes’ book.

https://undark.org/2023/03/24/book-review-time-to-think/

Again the interview is excellent and worth listening to. I just wish that APS admin and staff would take the time to listen to it.

[Anonymous]

This is a good summary for those asking about legal challenges -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/23/virginia-transgender-model-policies-faq/?fbclid=IwAR3LTQfjURn4dj76-lWxopfIHRH6437anmrRcBX20x4AsLIpXtNb_BcKGa8

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Anonymous wrote:This is a good summary for those asking about legal challenges -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/23/virginia-transgender-model-policies-faq/?fbclid=IwAR3LTQfjURn4dj76-lWxopfIHRH6437anmrRcBX20x4AsLIpXtNb_BcKGa8

i'm grateful to be in a school division that is sticking by its trans students. i wonder how many of the anti trans posters on here are in another part of the state or even not in VA at all.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a good summary for those asking about legal challenges -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/23/virginia-transgender-model-policies-faq/?fbclid=IwAR3LTQfjURn4dj76-lWxopfIHRH6437anmrRcBX20x4AsLIpXtNb_BcKGa8

Sounds like schools can just ignore it?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a good summary for those asking about legal challenges -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/23/virginia-transgender-model-policies-faq/?fbclid=IwAR3LTQfjURn4dj76-lWxopfIHRH6437anmrRcBX20x4AsLIpXtNb_BcKGa8

i'm grateful to be in a school division that is sticking by its trans students. i wonder how many of the anti trans posters on here are in another part of the state or even not in VA at all.

Great question.

There have been a few comments that sound like someone unfamiliar with NoVA.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a good summary for those asking about legal challenges -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/23/virginia-transgender-model-policies-faq/?fbclid=IwAR3LTQfjURn4dj76-lWxopfIHRH6437anmrRcBX20x4AsLIpXtNb_BcKGa8

Interesting that LCPS has not announced anything yet. I bet they are afraid that the RWNJs are going to flip out on them again.

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Youngkin is an excellent Governor. I support his policies.

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Anonymous wrote:Youngkin is an excellent Governor. I support his policies.

Signed,
Women-hating bigots

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Anonymous wrote:Youngkin is an excellent Governor. I support his policies.

Signed,
Women-hating bigots

You sound like a lovely person. With nothing substantive in your post whatsoever. Just calling names.

Back to the substance of the subject of this particular thread, the whole reason Youngkin got elected, in a democratic election, was school policy. The majority of voters supported him. If there's a lot of news coverage on this new policy, that might energize his base again.

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Anonymous wrote:Youngkin is an excellent Governor. I support his policies.

Signed,
Women-hating bigots

You sound like a lovely person. With nothing substantive in your post whatsoever. Just calling names.

Back to the substance of the subject of this particular thread, the whole reason Youngkin got elected, in a democratic election, was school policy. The majority of voters supported him. If there's a lot of news coverage on this new policy, that might energize his base again.

Truth hurts.

His “base” consists of racists (CRT!) and bigots (bathrooms!).