New VA trans policies for schools

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder how many of the posters with purported concerns for cis girls' rights are also fine with females' rights being taken away in other contexts like abortion. If you're truly concerned for girls, there are so many other things you could focus on.

There are already rules about parent consent for minors' abortions. So they're theoretically being notified.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention the potential medical intervention that may come with gender exploration. Different than being gay and you should not confuse the two.

We are discussing schools. Not medical interventions.

“Outing” kids against their will would be traumatizing for both transgender and for gay kids.

This is not a student going privately to a teacher or counselor and telling that teacher that they don’t feel like the sex that they are biologically or assigned at birth or whatever you want to call it. Now if the teacher or counselor emails the parents telling them that, then sure that would be “outing.” This is a student who is asking the entire school, from teachers to fellow classmates to treat him or her as a gender different than one that corresponds to the student’s biological sex. The entire school is actively participating by using that student’s pronouns. The school is allowing that student to use a bathroom that isn’t designated for members of that student’s biological sex. The school is actively socially transitioning the student and requiring that student’s classmates to participate in that process by requiring all that student’s classmates to use that student’s preferred pronouns whatever that is. So yes, the parents should know.

If the kid has reasons for not telling the parents then the school should respect that.

If the kid wants to report abuse or neglect then the school’s mandatory reporter obligations kick in and they are welcome to call CPS. But until then the parents are the parents and they ought to be informed. There is no middle ground. Unless we’re talking about things a kid says to a counselor, where there’s a legally established confidential relationship.

No. Teachers are not there to fix your family’s issues. And they shouldn’t “out” a kid without their permission. Gay or transgender.

Most PPs here are not saying teachers should put gay students - specially because this is not likely to come up in the normal course of interacting with parents (unlike using a name or pronouns would) and because it does not really have an impact on how the school treats that kid. Who they are attracted to does not change how teachers and peers interact with them, which bathroom they use, which locker room they use, which room to sleep in on overnight trips, etc.

The main reason boys and girls have always been separated for locker rooms, overnight accommodations, etc. is to eliminate sexual behaviors. And that has dictated others' interactions by way of chaperones, managing seating on buses, segregated bathrooms, segregated locker rooms. But all you people saying this is only about gender identification, I guess you don't care about that because you're fine with homosexual teens sleeping with same-sex peers on field trips and showering and changing clothes in front of same-sex peers?

I don't think that is the same thing. You can keep reaching, but most people do not want their young daughter in a locker room with biological men.

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Anonymous wrote:Time for unisex bathrooms.

No. School systems should not spend what would amount to millions of dollars in infrastructure changes to appease a fad.

They could simply change the signs and make repairs to anything that’s broken.
Also, there are usually not enough stalls
for the girls bathroom anyway so this evens everything out and everything is close together

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder how many of the posters with purported concerns for cis girls' rights are also fine with females' rights being taken away in other contexts like abortion. If you're truly concerned for girls, there are so many other things you could focus on.

There are already rules about parent consent for minors' abortions. So they're theoretically being notified.

Yikes - where is this happening?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Time for unisex bathrooms.

No. School systems should not spend what would amount to millions of dollars in infrastructure changes to appease a fad.

They could simply change the signs and make repairs to anything that’s broken.
Also, there are usually not enough stalls
for the girls bathroom anyway so this evens everything out and everything is close together

+1

Girls could use more stalls anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention the potential medical intervention that may come with gender exploration. Different than being gay and you should not confuse the two.

We are discussing schools. Not medical interventions.

“Outing” kids against their will would be traumatizing for both transgender and for gay kids.

This is not a student going privately to a teacher or counselor and telling that teacher that they don’t feel like the sex that they are biologically or assigned at birth or whatever you want to call it. Now if the teacher or counselor emails the parents telling them that, then sure that would be “outing.” This is a student who is asking the entire school, from teachers to fellow classmates to treat him or her as a gender different than one that corresponds to the student’s biological sex. The entire school is actively participating by using that student’s pronouns. The school is allowing that student to use a bathroom that isn’t designated for members of that student’s biological sex. The school is actively socially transitioning the student and requiring that student’s classmates to participate in that process by requiring all that student’s classmates to use that student’s preferred pronouns whatever that is. So yes, the parents should know.

If the kid has reasons for not telling the parents then the school should respect that.

If the kid wants to report abuse or neglect then the school’s mandatory reporter obligations kick in and they are welcome to call CPS. But until then the parents are the parents and they ought to be informed. There is no middle ground. Unless we’re talking about things a kid says to a counselor, where there’s a legally established confidential relationship.

No. Teachers are not there to fix your family’s issues. And they shouldn’t “out” a kid without their permission. Gay or transgender.

Most PPs here are not saying teachers should put gay students - specially because this is not likely to come up in the normal course of interacting with parents (unlike using a name or pronouns would) and because it does not really have an impact on how the school treats that kid. Who they are attracted to does not change how teachers and peers interact with them, which bathroom they use, which locker room they use, which room to sleep in on overnight trips, etc.

The main reason boys and girls have always been separated for locker rooms, overnight accommodations, etc. is to eliminate sexual behaviors. And that has dictated others' interactions by way of chaperones, managing seating on buses, segregated bathrooms, segregated locker rooms. But all you people saying this is only about gender identification, I guess you don't care about that because you're fine with homosexual teens sleeping with same-sex peers on field trips and showering and changing clothes in front of same-sex peers?

I don't think that is the same thing. You can keep reaching, but most people do not want their young daughter in a locker room with biological men.

You mean AMAB, right?

And we are talking about schools here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder how many of the posters with purported concerns for cis girls' rights are also fine with females' rights being taken away in other contexts like abortion. If you're truly concerned for girls, there are so many other things you could focus on.

+1
They don't actually care about girls. They are just anti trans.

+1

It's very clear when they start talking about "women's sports".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention the potential medical intervention that may come with gender exploration. Different than being gay and you should not confuse the two.

We are discussing schools. Not medical interventions.

“Outing” kids against their will would be traumatizing for both transgender and for gay kids.

This is not a student going privately to a teacher or counselor and telling that teacher that they don’t feel like the sex that they are biologically or assigned at birth or whatever you want to call it. Now if the teacher or counselor emails the parents telling them that, then sure that would be “outing.” This is a student who is asking the entire school, from teachers to fellow classmates to treat him or her as a gender different than one that corresponds to the student’s biological sex. The entire school is actively participating by using that student’s pronouns. The school is allowing that student to use a bathroom that isn’t designated for members of that student’s biological sex. The school is actively socially transitioning the student and requiring that student’s classmates to participate in that process by requiring all that student’s classmates to use that student’s preferred pronouns whatever that is. So yes, the parents should know.

If the kid has reasons for not telling the parents then the school should respect that.

If the kid wants to report abuse or neglect then the school’s mandatory reporter obligations kick in and they are welcome to call CPS. But until then the parents are the parents and they ought to be informed. There is no middle ground. Unless we’re talking about things a kid says to a counselor, where there’s a legally established confidential relationship.

No. Teachers are not there to fix your family’s issues. And they shouldn’t “out” a kid without their permission. Gay or transgender.

Correct, teachers are not co-parents. If they see a student struggling with mental issues, gender confusion, this should be reported to the parent for them to "fix the family issues".
Your words, not mine.

Mental issues are complicated. Teachers can share some observations but aren’t diagnosticians so they can only say so much.

Gender identity isn’t necessarily a “mental issue”. Only if the person is struggling.

Schools aren’t there to facilitate discussions for dysfunctional families. If your kid doesn’t want to come out to you then that’s on you. They can’t fix intolerant parents.

Yes, issues like that are a parent's responsibility. How, exactly, can the parents fix that communication problem if the government is actively concealing all information related to it? Once again, you're claiming that the school system has the right to take official actions on a child's behalf, actions that are themselves not secret and are apparent to anyone in the school, conceal those actions from the parents to the point of even lying about them (like using the birth name when talking with parents even though the school officially changed it), all without any sort of official finding of parental abuse or neglect?

That's not "staying out of it". That's not the school system saying families need to fix their own issues. That is the school system deliberately placing itself between a child and their parents. And if they think that's necessary, then they need to put up or shut up and declare the parents unfit or report to CPS. The fact that they don't, that they want to carve out this in-between space tells us everything we need to know, because everyone knows that would be drastic and harmful to the kid, and would produce a massive backlash.

A teacher using a preferred name/pronoun is not some official action.

If kids aren't telling their parents these things, then it's on the parents to fix their relationship. It's not the school's responsibility.

It's a major privacy violation for a school/teacher to "out" a kid without their permission.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention the potential medical intervention that may come with gender exploration. Different than being gay and you should not confuse the two.

We are discussing schools. Not medical interventions.

“Outing” kids against their will would be traumatizing for both transgender and for gay kids.

This is not a student going privately to a teacher or counselor and telling that teacher that they don’t feel like the sex that they are biologically or assigned at birth or whatever you want to call it. Now if the teacher or counselor emails the parents telling them that, then sure that would be “outing.” This is a student who is asking the entire school, from teachers to fellow classmates to treat him or her as a gender different than one that corresponds to the student’s biological sex. The entire school is actively participating by using that student’s pronouns. The school is allowing that student to use a bathroom that isn’t designated for members of that student’s biological sex. The school is actively socially transitioning the student and requiring that student’s classmates to participate in that process by requiring all that student’s classmates to use that student’s preferred pronouns whatever that is. So yes, the parents should know.

If the kid has reasons for not telling the parents then the school should respect that.

If the kid wants to report abuse or neglect then the school’s mandatory reporter obligations kick in and they are welcome to call CPS. But until then the parents are the parents and they ought to be informed. There is no middle ground. Unless we’re talking about things a kid says to a counselor, where there’s a legally established confidential relationship.

No. Teachers are not there to fix your family’s issues. And they shouldn’t “out” a kid without their permission. Gay or transgender.

Most PPs here are not saying teachers should put gay students - specially because this is not likely to come up in the normal course of interacting with parents (unlike using a name or pronouns would) and because it does not really have an impact on how the school treats that kid. Who they are attracted to does not change how teachers and peers interact with them, which bathroom they use, which locker room they use, which room to sleep in on overnight trips, etc.

The main reason boys and girls have always been separated for locker rooms, overnight accommodations, etc. is to eliminate sexual behaviors. And that has dictated others' interactions by way of chaperones, managing seating on buses, segregated bathrooms, segregated locker rooms. But all you people saying this is only about gender identification, I guess you don't care about that because you're fine with homosexual teens sleeping with same-sex peers on field trips and showering and changing clothes in front of same-sex peers?

I don't think that is the same thing. You can keep reaching, but most people do not want their young daughter in a locker room with biological men.

You mean AMAB, right?

And we are talking about schools here.

NP, but no, men.
The trans community appropriating "assigned at birth" from intersex people is shameless. Ob's are not assigning anyone's sex, it is observed as 99% of people do not have congenital unambiguous sex characteristics.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention the potential medical intervention that may come with gender exploration. Different than being gay and you should not confuse the two.

We are discussing schools. Not medical interventions.

“Outing” kids against their will would be traumatizing for both transgender and for gay kids.

This is not a student going privately to a teacher or counselor and telling that teacher that they don’t feel like the sex that they are biologically or assigned at birth or whatever you want to call it. Now if the teacher or counselor emails the parents telling them that, then sure that would be “outing.” This is a student who is asking the entire school, from teachers to fellow classmates to treat him or her as a gender different than one that corresponds to the student’s biological sex. The entire school is actively participating by using that student’s pronouns. The school is allowing that student to use a bathroom that isn’t designated for members of that student’s biological sex. The school is actively socially transitioning the student and requiring that student’s classmates to participate in that process by requiring all that student’s classmates to use that student’s preferred pronouns whatever that is. So yes, the parents should know.

If the kid has reasons for not telling the parents then the school should respect that.

If the kid wants to report abuse or neglect then the school’s mandatory reporter obligations kick in and they are welcome to call CPS. But until then the parents are the parents and they ought to be informed. There is no middle ground. Unless we’re talking about things a kid says to a counselor, where there’s a legally established confidential relationship.

No. Teachers are not there to fix your family’s issues. And they shouldn’t “out” a kid without their permission. Gay or transgender.

Most PPs here are not saying teachers should put gay students - specially because this is not likely to come up in the normal course of interacting with parents (unlike using a name or pronouns would) and because it does not really have an impact on how the school treats that kid. Who they are attracted to does not change how teachers and peers interact with them, which bathroom they use, which locker room they use, which room to sleep in on overnight trips, etc.

The main reason boys and girls have always been separated for locker rooms, overnight accommodations, etc. is to eliminate sexual behaviors. And that has dictated others' interactions by way of chaperones, managing seating on buses, segregated bathrooms, segregated locker rooms. But all you people saying this is only about gender identification, I guess you don't care about that because you're fine with homosexual teens sleeping with same-sex peers on field trips and showering and changing clothes in front of same-sex peers?

I don't think that is the same thing. You can keep reaching, but most people do not want their young daughter in a locker room with biological men.

You mean AMAB, right?

And we are talking about schools here.

NP, but no, men.
The trans community appropriating "assigned at birth" from intersex people is shameless. Ob's are not assigning anyone's sex, it is observed as 99% of people do not have congenital unambiguous sex characteristics.

There shouldn't be any naked adults in school locker rooms. Cisgender or transgender.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention the potential medical intervention that may come with gender exploration. Different than being gay and you should not confuse the two.

We are discussing schools. Not medical interventions.

“Outing” kids against their will would be traumatizing for both transgender and for gay kids.

This is not a student going privately to a teacher or counselor and telling that teacher that they don’t feel like the sex that they are biologically or assigned at birth or whatever you want to call it. Now if the teacher or counselor emails the parents telling them that, then sure that would be “outing.” This is a student who is asking the entire school, from teachers to fellow classmates to treat him or her as a gender different than one that corresponds to the student’s biological sex. The entire school is actively participating by using that student’s pronouns. The school is allowing that student to use a bathroom that isn’t designated for members of that student’s biological sex. The school is actively socially transitioning the student and requiring that student’s classmates to participate in that process by requiring all that student’s classmates to use that student’s preferred pronouns whatever that is. So yes, the parents should know.

If the kid has reasons for not telling the parents then the school should respect that.

If the kid wants to report abuse or neglect then the school’s mandatory reporter obligations kick in and they are welcome to call CPS. But until then the parents are the parents and they ought to be informed. There is no middle ground. Unless we’re talking about things a kid says to a counselor, where there’s a legally established confidential relationship.

No. Teachers are not there to fix your family’s issues. And they shouldn’t “out” a kid without their permission. Gay or transgender.

Most PPs here are not saying teachers should put gay students - specially because this is not likely to come up in the normal course of interacting with parents (unlike using a name or pronouns would) and because it does not really have an impact on how the school treats that kid. Who they are attracted to does not change how teachers and peers interact with them, which bathroom they use, which locker room they use, which room to sleep in on overnight trips, etc.

The main reason boys and girls have always been separated for locker rooms, overnight accommodations, etc. is to eliminate sexual behaviors. And that has dictated others' interactions by way of chaperones, managing seating on buses, segregated bathrooms, segregated locker rooms. But all you people saying this is only about gender identification, I guess you don't care about that because you're fine with homosexual teens sleeping with same-sex peers on field trips and showering and changing clothes in front of same-sex peers?

Yes. Stop conflating homosexuality with gender nonsense. We care about preserving single sex spaces for women and girls.

It's another aspect of identity. They very much go hand in hand.

Anyone of any gender or sexuality should have access to individual stalls if they have safety concerns.

Sorry, no. Sexuality is part of identity. Gender is made up nonsense. Humans can’t change sex and forcing oneself into the opposite sex locker room doesn’t change that.

There you have it.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention the potential medical intervention that may come with gender exploration. Different than being gay and you should not confuse the two.

We are discussing schools. Not medical interventions.

“Outing” kids against their will would be traumatizing for both transgender and for gay kids.

This is not a student going privately to a teacher or counselor and telling that teacher that they don’t feel like the sex that they are biologically or assigned at birth or whatever you want to call it. Now if the teacher or counselor emails the parents telling them that, then sure that would be “outing.” This is a student who is asking the entire school, from teachers to fellow classmates to treat him or her as a gender different than one that corresponds to the student’s biological sex. The entire school is actively participating by using that student’s pronouns. The school is allowing that student to use a bathroom that isn’t designated for members of that student’s biological sex. The school is actively socially transitioning the student and requiring that student’s classmates to participate in that process by requiring all that student’s classmates to use that student’s preferred pronouns whatever that is. So yes, the parents should know.

If the kid has reasons for not telling the parents then the school should respect that.

If the kid wants to report abuse or neglect then the school’s mandatory reporter obligations kick in and they are welcome to call CPS. But until then the parents are the parents and they ought to be informed. There is no middle ground. Unless we’re talking about things a kid says to a counselor, where there’s a legally established confidential relationship.

No. Teachers are not there to fix your family’s issues. And they shouldn’t “out” a kid without their permission. Gay or transgender.

Most PPs here are not saying teachers should put gay students - specially because this is not likely to come up in the normal course of interacting with parents (unlike using a name or pronouns would) and because it does not really have an impact on how the school treats that kid. Who they are attracted to does not change how teachers and peers interact with them, which bathroom they use, which locker room they use, which room to sleep in on overnight trips, etc.

The main reason boys and girls have always been separated for locker rooms, overnight accommodations, etc. is to eliminate sexual behaviors. And that has dictated others' interactions by way of chaperones, managing seating on buses, segregated bathrooms, segregated locker rooms. But all you people saying this is only about gender identification, I guess you don't care about that because you're fine with homosexual teens sleeping with same-sex peers on field trips and showering and changing clothes in front of same-sex peers?

I don't think that is the same thing. You can keep reaching, but most people do not want their young daughter in a locker room with biological men.

You mean AMAB, right?

And we are talking about schools here.

NP, but no, men.
The trans community appropriating "assigned at birth" from intersex people is shameless. Ob's are not assigning anyone's sex, it is observed as 99% of people do not have congenital unambiguous sex characteristics.

There shouldn't be any naked adults in school locker rooms. Cisgender or transgender.

Lots of high school students are adults. Look at the roster of any local high school football or basketball team and you'll see many "reclassified" students who will turn 18 early on in their junior year and be an adult their entire senior year.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention the potential medical intervention that may come with gender exploration. Different than being gay and you should not confuse the two.

We are discussing schools. Not medical interventions.

“Outing” kids against their will would be traumatizing for both transgender and for gay kids.

This is not a student going privately to a teacher or counselor and telling that teacher that they don’t feel like the sex that they are biologically or assigned at birth or whatever you want to call it. Now if the teacher or counselor emails the parents telling them that, then sure that would be “outing.” This is a student who is asking the entire school, from teachers to fellow classmates to treat him or her as a gender different than one that corresponds to the student’s biological sex. The entire school is actively participating by using that student’s pronouns. The school is allowing that student to use a bathroom that isn’t designated for members of that student’s biological sex. The school is actively socially transitioning the student and requiring that student’s classmates to participate in that process by requiring all that student’s classmates to use that student’s preferred pronouns whatever that is. So yes, the parents should know.

If the kid has reasons for not telling the parents then the school should respect that.

If the kid wants to report abuse or neglect then the school’s mandatory reporter obligations kick in and they are welcome to call CPS. But until then the parents are the parents and they ought to be informed. There is no middle ground. Unless we’re talking about things a kid says to a counselor, where there’s a legally established confidential relationship.

No. Teachers are not there to fix your family’s issues. And they shouldn’t “out” a kid without their permission. Gay or transgender.

Most PPs here are not saying teachers should put gay students - specially because this is not likely to come up in the normal course of interacting with parents (unlike using a name or pronouns would) and because it does not really have an impact on how the school treats that kid. Who they are attracted to does not change how teachers and peers interact with them, which bathroom they use, which locker room they use, which room to sleep in on overnight trips, etc.

The main reason boys and girls have always been separated for locker rooms, overnight accommodations, etc. is to eliminate sexual behaviors. And that has dictated others' interactions by way of chaperones, managing seating on buses, segregated bathrooms, segregated locker rooms. But all you people saying this is only about gender identification, I guess you don't care about that because you're fine with homosexual teens sleeping with same-sex peers on field trips and showering and changing clothes in front of same-sex peers?

Yes. Stop conflating homosexuality with gender nonsense. We care about preserving single sex spaces for women and girls.

That's my point. You don't care about sexual activity. Just sexual appearances.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder how many of the posters with purported concerns for cis girls' rights are also fine with females' rights being taken away in other contexts like abortion. If you're truly concerned for girls, there are so many other things you could focus on.

There are already rules about parent consent for minors' abortions. So they're theoretically being notified.

not exactly the point but maybe you're being willfully obtuse?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention the potential medical intervention that may come with gender exploration. Different than being gay and you should not confuse the two.

We are discussing schools. Not medical interventions.

“Outing” kids against their will would be traumatizing for both transgender and for gay kids.

This is not a student going privately to a teacher or counselor and telling that teacher that they don’t feel like the sex that they are biologically or assigned at birth or whatever you want to call it. Now if the teacher or counselor emails the parents telling them that, then sure that would be “outing.” This is a student who is asking the entire school, from teachers to fellow classmates to treat him or her as a gender different than one that corresponds to the student’s biological sex. The entire school is actively participating by using that student’s pronouns. The school is allowing that student to use a bathroom that isn’t designated for members of that student’s biological sex. The school is actively socially transitioning the student and requiring that student’s classmates to participate in that process by requiring all that student’s classmates to use that student’s preferred pronouns whatever that is. So yes, the parents should know.

If the kid has reasons for not telling the parents then the school should respect that.

If the kid wants to report abuse or neglect then the school’s mandatory reporter obligations kick in and they are welcome to call CPS. But until then the parents are the parents and they ought to be informed. There is no middle ground. Unless we’re talking about things a kid says to a counselor, where there’s a legally established confidential relationship.

No. Teachers are not there to fix your family’s issues. And they shouldn’t “out” a kid without their permission. Gay or transgender.

Most PPs here are not saying teachers should put gay students - specially because this is not likely to come up in the normal course of interacting with parents (unlike using a name or pronouns would) and because it does not really have an impact on how the school treats that kid. Who they are attracted to does not change how teachers and peers interact with them, which bathroom they use, which locker room they use, which room to sleep in on overnight trips, etc.

The main reason boys and girls have always been separated for locker rooms, overnight accommodations, etc. is to eliminate sexual behaviors. And that has dictated others' interactions by way of chaperones, managing seating on buses, segregated bathrooms, segregated locker rooms. But all you people saying this is only about gender identification, I guess you don't care about that because you're fine with homosexual teens sleeping with same-sex peers on field trips and showering and changing clothes in front of same-sex peers?

I don't think that is the same thing. You can keep reaching, but most people do not want their young daughter in a locker room with biological men.

You mean AMAB, right?

And we are talking about schools here.

NP, but no, men.
The trans community appropriating "assigned at birth" from intersex people is shameless. Ob's are not assigning anyone's sex, it is observed as 99% of people do not have congenital unambiguous sex characteristics.

Do you understand gene expression? How puberty can affect this. How the amygdala works?