New VA trans policies for schools

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Anonymous wrote:This issue isn’t as cut and dry as everyone is making it out to be. My daughter never showed any signs of not fully embracing being a girl. She was violently assaulted and is now suffering from severe PTSD. Over a matter of weeks, my child went from asking me to order her cute dresses from Japan to suddenly deciding she was a boy. The school totally complied without our knowledge. We discovered this when we found a school worksheet she signed with another name. My child has been in extensive therapy and, while doing better as far as the PTSD, is still very uncomfortable with her body. To all the teachers and others on this thread: do you really think you know my child better than I do? Better than the army of therapists and doctors who see her regularly? Am I a transphobic bigot because I see the connection between the assault and her suddenly wanting to be a boy? And, wanting to back off and wait as opposed to diving in to transitioning? What others do with their children is none of my business - I don’t know their situation and I’m sure they are doing what they feel is best for their child. I wish others would acknowledge that the experience of others may be different.
Sorry, I just found many of these comments really upsetting…

I’m so sorry.

I was sexually assaulted when I was 13. I am fairly certain that as a neuro-atypical girl who was severely disassociating from my body as a result of the attack, a trans identity would have been extremely appealing at the time. I wish you and your child the best of luck.

Unfortunately trans activists like the ones posting believe they know what’s better for your child. They believe they know your child more than you.

That is the impression I am getting - that and it is somehow my fault. Oh, and previous poster: thank you so much for the kind words.

It's not clear what your issue is with the teachers. You think the teachers are helping your kid to get medication? Or...you're mad that the teachers are using a preferred name?

Good lord… I’m not an idiot and I don’t think the school is trying to give my kid freaking hormones. In my situation, a heads-up that my kid was requesting to be called by a male name that is completely unlike her own would have been nice. My child’s doctors could have been made aware sooner.

It’s not a teachers fault that your relationship with your child sucks.

See, these are who trans activists are. They simply do not care about the sexual assault of children or recovery from that assault. Kind of amazing how willing the PP is to just come out and prove the point immediately.

Well this thread went downhill fast. They anti trans folks can't have a convo without vilifying the parents and teachers who are standing up for trans kids rights and safety. Very disturbing.

Maybe you should stop harassing and blaming the parent of a child who has suffered a sexual assault and is doing her best to help that child. That’s extremely disturbing.

That wasn't me, I was just making an observation about your attacks

It is your side. It deserves to be called out and it is a recognizable pattern of behavior.

I’m tired of this anti-girl theology. I’m sick and tired of the gaslighting and the falsehoods. And I am sick of people who attack the parents of sexual assault victims who are disassociating from their bodies. Get your side to be less awful if you don’t want attacks. I’m not even someone who thinks these guidelines are well-considered, but I am so sick of this anti-girl belief system you demand we adopt.

pro trans is not anti girl

Pro trans in sports most certainly is anti- female.

Women should support women.

Instead of punching down on vulnerable people, why not fight the real issues that exist in women’s athletics - disproportionate opportunities, facilities, and funding/pay for women’s sports.

Actually I do support women, and that includes trans women. You just support *some* women. See the difference?

No, I meant women should support women. All women, including transgender women.

And how do you define a woman?

People who identify with the "woman" gender.

Woman isn't an identity. It is an adult human female.

"Woman" is a gender, a social construct.

Man is also a gender, and a social construct. So is child. So how about you give a more detailed definition of what a woman is.

How about you just give us the definition and we can stop this silly game?

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Anonymous wrote:This issue isn’t as cut and dry as everyone is making it out to be. My daughter never showed any signs of not fully embracing being a girl. She was violently assaulted and is now suffering from severe PTSD. Over a matter of weeks, my child went from asking me to order her cute dresses from Japan to suddenly deciding she was a boy. The school totally complied without our knowledge. We discovered this when we found a school worksheet she signed with another name. My child has been in extensive therapy and, while doing better as far as the PTSD, is still very uncomfortable with her body. To all the teachers and others on this thread: do you really think you know my child better than I do? Better than the army of therapists and doctors who see her regularly? Am I a transphobic bigot because I see the connection between the assault and her suddenly wanting to be a boy? And, wanting to back off and wait as opposed to diving in to transitioning? What others do with their children is none of my business - I don’t know their situation and I’m sure they are doing what they feel is best for their child. I wish others would acknowledge that the experience of others may be different.
Sorry, I just found many of these comments really upsetting…

I’m so sorry.

I was sexually assaulted when I was 13. I am fairly certain that as a neuro-atypical girl who was severely disassociating from my body as a result of the attack, a trans identity would have been extremely appealing at the time. I wish you and your child the best of luck.

Unfortunately trans activists like the ones posting believe they know what’s better for your child. They believe they know your child more than you.

That is the impression I am getting - that and it is somehow my fault. Oh, and previous poster: thank you so much for the kind words.

It's not clear what your issue is with the teachers. You think the teachers are helping your kid to get medication? Or...you're mad that the teachers are using a preferred name?

Good lord… I’m not an idiot and I don’t think the school is trying to give my kid freaking hormones. In my situation, a heads-up that my kid was requesting to be called by a male name that is completely unlike her own would have been nice. My child’s doctors could have been made aware sooner.

It’s not a teachers fault that your relationship with your child sucks.

See, these are who trans activists are. They simply do not care about the sexual assault of children or recovery from that assault. Kind of amazing how willing the PP is to just come out and prove the point immediately.

Well this thread went downhill fast. They anti trans folks can't have a convo without vilifying the parents and teachers who are standing up for trans kids rights and safety. Very disturbing.

Maybe you should stop harassing and blaming the parent of a child who has suffered a sexual assault and is doing her best to help that child. That’s extremely disturbing.

That wasn't me, I was just making an observation about your attacks

It is your side. It deserves to be called out and it is a recognizable pattern of behavior.

I’m tired of this anti-girl theology. I’m sick and tired of the gaslighting and the falsehoods. And I am sick of people who attack the parents of sexual assault victims who are disassociating from their bodies. Get your side to be less awful if you don’t want attacks. I’m not even someone who thinks these guidelines are well-considered, but I am so sick of this anti-girl belief system you demand we adopt.

pro trans is not anti girl

Pro trans in sports most certainly is anti- female.

Women should support women.

Instead of punching down on vulnerable people, why not fight the real issues that exist in women’s athletics - disproportionate opportunities, facilities, and funding/pay for women’s sports.

Actually I do support women, and that includes trans women. You just support *some* women. See the difference?

No, I meant women should support women. All women, including transgender women.

And how do you define a woman?

People who identify with the "woman" gender.

Woman isn't an identity. It is an adult human female.

"Woman" is a gender, a social construct.

Man is also a gender, and a social construct. So is child. So how about you give a more detailed definition of what a woman is.

How about you just give us the definition and we can stop this silly game?

Oh I have no problem giving a definition. A woman is an adult female. A man is an adult male.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of mine sent me this podcast episode and I finally listened to it in light of this discussion. I am not a fan of Bari Weiss but I found her interview with Hanna Barnes to be incredibly nuanced and eye opening. It is about the Tavistock Clinic in the UK which has now been closed. I urge you all to take the time to listen to it. Issue isn’t black and white as people make it out to be https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/honestly-with-bari-weiss/id1570872415?i=1000620886057

Bari Weiss is a hack.

I suspect that it because you disagree with this. That does not make her a hack.

She’s an op-ed writer, not an investigative reporter who verifies sources, etc. She just pushes extremely biased RWNJ commentary.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of mine sent me this podcast episode and I finally listened to it in light of this discussion. I am not a fan of Bari Weiss but I found her interview with Hanna Barnes to be incredibly nuanced and eye opening. It is about the Tavistock Clinic in the UK which has now been closed. I urge you all to take the time to listen to it. Issue isn’t black and white as people make it out to be https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/honestly-with-bari-weiss/id1570872415?i=1000620886057

Bari Weiss is a hack.

I suspect that it because you disagree with this. That does not make her a hack.

She’s an op-ed writer, not an investigative reporter who verifies sources, etc. She just pushes extremely biased RWNJ commentary.

Because you say so? She's hardly right wing.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of mine sent me this podcast episode and I finally listened to it in light of this discussion. I am not a fan of Bari Weiss but I found her interview with Hanna Barnes to be incredibly nuanced and eye opening. It is about the Tavistock Clinic in the UK which has now been closed. I urge you all to take the time to listen to it. Issue isn’t black and white as people make it out to be https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/honestly-with-bari-weiss/id1570872415?i=1000620886057

Bari Weiss is a hack.

I suspect that it because you disagree with this. That does not make her a hack.

She’s an op-ed writer, not an investigative reporter who verifies sources, etc. She just pushes extremely biased RWNJ commentary.

Because you say so? She's hardly right wing.

Says anyone who has read her “work” over the years.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of mine sent me this podcast episode and I finally listened to it in light of this discussion. I am not a fan of Bari Weiss but I found her interview with Hanna Barnes to be incredibly nuanced and eye opening. It is about the Tavistock Clinic in the UK which has now been closed. I urge you all to take the time to listen to it. Issue isn’t black and white as people make it out to be https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/honestly-with-bari-weiss/id1570872415?i=1000620886057

Bari Weiss is a hack.

I suspect that it because you disagree with this. That does not make her a hack.

She’s an op-ed writer, not an investigative reporter who verifies sources, etc. She just pushes extremely biased RWNJ commentary.

Because you say so? She's hardly right wing.

Says anyone who has read her “work” over the years.

When you’re afraid of the message, blast the messenger.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of mine sent me this podcast episode and I finally listened to it in light of this discussion. I am not a fan of Bari Weiss but I found her interview with Hanna Barnes to be incredibly nuanced and eye opening. It is about the Tavistock Clinic in the UK which has now been closed. I urge you all to take the time to listen to it. Issue isn’t black and white as people make it out to be https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/honestly-with-bari-weiss/id1570872415?i=1000620886057

Bari Weiss is a hack.

I suspect that it because you disagree with this. That does not make her a hack.

She’s an op-ed writer, not an investigative reporter who verifies sources, etc. She just pushes extremely biased RWNJ commentary.

Because you say so? She's hardly right wing.

Says anyone who has read her “work” over the years.

When you’re afraid of the message, blast the messenger.

Point is - she doesn’t validate sources and pushes biased anti-trans commentary. Bigots gonna bigot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of mine sent me this podcast episode and I finally listened to it in light of this discussion. I am not a fan of Bari Weiss but I found her interview with Hanna Barnes to be incredibly nuanced and eye opening. It is about the Tavistock Clinic in the UK which has now been closed. I urge you all to take the time to listen to it. Issue isn’t black and white as people make it out to be https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/honestly-with-bari-weiss/id1570872415?i=1000620886057

Bari Weiss is a hack.

I suspect that it because you disagree with this. That does not make her a hack.

She’s an op-ed writer, not an investigative reporter who verifies sources, etc. She just pushes extremely biased RWNJ commentary.

Because you say so? She's hardly right wing.

Says anyone who has read her “work” over the years.

When you’re afraid of the message, blast the messenger.

Point is - she doesn’t validate sources and pushes biased anti-trans commentary. Bigots gonna bigot.

One persons “biased anti-trans” commentary is another person’s acknowledgment of scientific reality.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of mine sent me this podcast episode and I finally listened to it in light of this discussion. I am not a fan of Bari Weiss but I found her interview with Hanna Barnes to be incredibly nuanced and eye opening. It is about the Tavistock Clinic in the UK which has now been closed. I urge you all to take the time to listen to it. Issue isn’t black and white as people make it out to be https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/honestly-with-bari-weiss/id1570872415?i=1000620886057

Bari Weiss is a hack.

I suspect that it because you disagree with this. That does not make her a hack.

She’s an op-ed writer, not an investigative reporter who verifies sources, etc. She just pushes extremely biased RWNJ commentary.

Because you say so? She's hardly right wing.

Says anyone who has read her “work” over the years.

When you’re afraid of the message, blast the messenger.

Point is - she doesn’t validate sources and pushes biased anti-trans commentary. Bigots gonna bigot.

Anyone who questions the validity of children getting body parts chopped off and taking puberty blockers is now a "bigot." What ever happened to science (biology) and evidence.

Why are European countries who jumped on the trans bandwagon, now walking it back in many cases?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of mine sent me this podcast episode and I finally listened to it in light of this discussion. I am not a fan of Bari Weiss but I found her interview with Hanna Barnes to be incredibly nuanced and eye opening. It is about the Tavistock Clinic in the UK which has now been closed. I urge you all to take the time to listen to it. Issue isn’t black and white as people make it out to be https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/honestly-with-bari-weiss/id1570872415?i=1000620886057

Bari Weiss is a hack.

I suspect that it because you disagree with this. That does not make her a hack.

She’s an op-ed writer, not an investigative reporter who verifies sources, etc. She just pushes extremely biased RWNJ commentary.

Because you say so? She's hardly right wing.

Says anyone who has read her “work” over the years.

When you’re afraid of the message, blast the messenger.

Point is - she doesn’t validate sources and pushes biased anti-trans commentary. Bigots gonna bigot.

PP who posted the link from Bari Weiss here. I can’t stand her. But how I feel about her has nothing to do with her interview skills as well as the knowledge of the world renowned, award winning bbc investigative journalist that she interviewed. Even the Guardian is praising Hanna Barnes book. Instead of bickering and calling Bari Weiss a hack, take the time to listen to the interview. If you can’t stomach it, Google the journalist and find another interview to listen with her that is around the same length.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of mine sent me this podcast episode and I finally listened to it in light of this discussion. I am not a fan of Bari Weiss but I found her interview with Hanna Barnes to be incredibly nuanced and eye opening. It is about the Tavistock Clinic in the UK which has now been closed. I urge you all to take the time to listen to it. Issue isn’t black and white as people make it out to be https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/honestly-with-bari-weiss/id1570872415?i=1000620886057

Bari Weiss is a hack.

I suspect that it because you disagree with this. That does not make her a hack.

She’s an op-ed writer, not an investigative reporter who verifies sources, etc. She just pushes extremely biased RWNJ commentary.

Because you say so? She's hardly right wing.

Says anyone who has read her “work” over the years.

When you’re afraid of the message, blast the messenger.

Point is - she doesn’t validate sources and pushes biased anti-trans commentary. Bigots gonna bigot.

Anyone who questions the validity of children getting body parts chopped off and taking puberty blockers is now a "bigot." What ever happened to science (biology) and evidence.

Why are European countries who jumped on the trans bandwagon, now walking it back in many cases?

This is what is most interesting about the interview - how the UK is moving away from trans affirming care.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of mine sent me this podcast episode and I finally listened to it in light of this discussion. I am not a fan of Bari Weiss but I found her interview with Hanna Barnes to be incredibly nuanced and eye opening. It is about the Tavistock Clinic in the UK which has now been closed. I urge you all to take the time to listen to it. Issue isn’t black and white as people make it out to be https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/honestly-with-bari-weiss/id1570872415?i=1000620886057

Bari Weiss is a hack.

I suspect that it because you disagree with this. That does not make her a hack.

She’s an op-ed writer, not an investigative reporter who verifies sources, etc. She just pushes extremely biased RWNJ commentary.

Because you say so? She's hardly right wing.

Says anyone who has read her “work” over the years.

When you’re afraid of the message, blast the messenger.

I think this is the problem. Too bad because it’s a truly excellent interview and I think that both sides have a lot to learn from it (she’s not against puberty blockers for all kids or gender affirming care for all kids).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of mine sent me this podcast episode and I finally listened to it in light of this discussion. I am not a fan of Bari Weiss but I found her interview with Hanna Barnes to be incredibly nuanced and eye opening. It is about the Tavistock Clinic in the UK which has now been closed. I urge you all to take the time to listen to it. Issue isn’t black and white as people make it out to be https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/honestly-with-bari-weiss/id1570872415?i=1000620886057

Bari Weiss is a hack.

I suspect that it because you disagree with this. That does not make her a hack.

She’s an op-ed writer, not an investigative reporter who verifies sources, etc. She just pushes extremely biased RWNJ commentary.

Because you say so? She's hardly right wing.

Says anyone who has read her “work” over the years.

When you’re afraid of the message, blast the messenger.

I think this is the problem. Too bad because it’s a truly excellent interview and I think that both sides have a lot to learn from it (she’s not against puberty blockers for all kids or gender affirming care for all kids).

Here is a review of Hannah Barnes’ book.

https://undark.org/2023/03/24/book-review-time-to-think/

Again the interview is excellent and worth listening to. I just wish that APS admin and staff would take the time to listen to it.

[Anonymous]

Social supports in school are such a basic level acknowledgment of an individual’s humanity.

Pushing this out to pro sports or medical transitions is so far past what APS is addressing.

Acknowledging identity is not harmful. It is not forever molding a student into that identity either. As human being we (hopefully) evolve and mature over our lifetime. Giving young people space to question and/or assert their inner awareness of themselves is a positive. This includes individuals who are questioning for protective reasons, or as a response to puberty.

There are many families who have an unsafe dynamic and giving these students a safe venue to not be on guard and unacknowledged is vital.






Ps. I will not debate you.

[Anonymous]

I am in full support of these policies. They are fair and reasonable for all.