Why do staunch republicans hate electric vehicles?

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Anonymous wrote:Spend an extra 20000 to save $1000 a year in gas. And Virginia makes you pay extra for registration.

Your numbers are about 10 years out of date. EVs are close to price parity now— or cheaper based on KBB 5 yr TCO and will only get cheaper relative to ICE.

5 year TCO is something, but what happens in years 6-8 when a battery needs to be replaced? The average ICE vehicle is around 12 years old in the US, and you rarely see an electric that old. Will current electrics still be tooling around in 2036, or will they be scrap? If scrap, how is that good for the environment or people's wallets?

lol that does not happen because the batteries last 15-20 years. The question you should be concerned about is what happens when your ICE comes off warranty in 5 years?

While lead-acid car batteries last about 3 to 5 years, EV battery pack lifespan is much longer. Typically, today’s EV batteries last 10 – 20 years. Many car manufacturers offer an 8 to 10-year or 100,000-mile warranty on electric car batteries, which can help ease consumer concerns about battery longevity.

https://www.greenlancer.com/post/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last#:~:text=In%20contrast%2C%20EV%20lithium%2Dion,number%20of%20years%20or%20miles.


This has been covered before in this thread. So why do you keep on with the wrong information?

Because there is a major disconnect between what experts say will happen and what has actually happened so far. Where are the Nissan Leafs and Chevy Volts from 10 years ago, let alone some of the lower volume models? Why do EVs lose so much value so quickly compared to ICE models? A Leaf is only worth 2/3rds of what a Honda Fit from the same year and mileage is worth despite being a more expensive car new.

I still see civics from the 90s being used as daily drivers. What EVs will still run 30 years from now? 20? 12? Twelve is average for ICE vehicles on the road today. If EVs can't last that long, its just greenwashing.

[Anonymous]

I don't have the time to read 36 pages. I get that there are problems with EVs, which is why DH and I are hesitating on getting one. But SOMETHING has to change. What measures, if any, are Republicans willing to adopt that can mitigate some of the damage to the environment caused by automobiles?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't have the time to read 36 pages. I get that there are problems with EVs, which is why DH and I are hesitating on getting one. But SOMETHING has to change. What measures, if any, are Republicans willing to adopt that can mitigate some of the damage to the environment caused by automobiles?

You mean there isn't a smokestack somewhere behind that EV? You think electricity comes out of thin air?

Is this more about you feeling good about yourself than anything of substance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't have the time to read 36 pages. I get that there are problems with EVs, which is why DH and I are hesitating on getting one. But SOMETHING has to change. What measures, if any, are Republicans willing to adopt that can mitigate some of the damage to the environment caused by Iautomobiles?

I personally chose a hybrid and I’m happy with it. I don’t believe the government should mandate it although incentives would be fine if we can cut the budget elsewhere to pay for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have the time to read 36 pages. I get that there are problems with EVs, which is why DH and I are hesitating on getting one. But SOMETHING has to change. What measures, if any, are Republicans willing to adopt that can mitigate some of the damage to the environment caused by automobiles?

You mean there isn't a smokestack somewhere behind that EV? You think electricity comes out of thin air?

Is this more about you feeling good about yourself than anything of substance?

PP here. I just said that I know there are problems with EVs, which is why I haven’t gotten one. I am not arguing FOR EVs. My question is: what other measures are Republicans open to to mitigate the effects on the environment of automobiles?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't have the time to read 36 pages. I get that there are problems with EVs, which is why DH and I are hesitating on getting one. But SOMETHING has to change. What measures, if any, are Republicans willing to adopt that can mitigate some of the damage to the environment caused by automobiles?

Today? Probably nothing. Start doing the work today, and you might get enough Republicans on board to close the "light truck" loophole in CAFE in the foreseeable future. You can also probably get them to repeal the chicken tax someday, which would allow the importation of smaller European trucks or even Kei trucks.

That will do more medium term than any EV mandate will.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have the time to read 36 pages. I get that there are problems with EVs, which is why DH and I are hesitating on getting one. But SOMETHING has to change. What measures, if any, are Republicans willing to adopt that can mitigate some of the damage to the environment caused by automobiles?

You mean there isn't a smokestack somewhere behind that EV? You think electricity comes out of thin air?

Is this more about you feeling good about yourself than anything of substance?

You might not want to hear it but the grid is moving towards renewables (including battery storage) very quickly. CA is capable of meeting all it’s electric needs from renewables now. Texas in this heat wave has 40-50% renewables. And EVs are about 4x more efficient in using fuel than ICE engines anyway.

The shtick where people act like EVs aren’t much better for the environment is just a tired excuse for the fossil fuel industry that we’ve all been subsidizing for decades. They make billions, destroy the climate and laugh at all the way to the bank.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Spend an extra 20000 to save $1000 a year in gas. And Virginia makes you pay extra for registration.

Your numbers are about 10 years out of date. EVs are close to price parity now— or cheaper based on KBB 5 yr TCO and will only get cheaper relative to ICE.

5 year TCO is something, but what happens in years 6-8 when a battery needs to be replaced? The average ICE vehicle is around 12 years old in the US, and you rarely see an electric that old. Will current electrics still be tooling around in 2036, or will they be scrap? If scrap, how is that good for the environment or people's wallets?

lol that does not happen because the batteries last 15-20 years. The question you should be concerned about is what happens when your ICE comes off warranty in 5 years?

While lead-acid car batteries last about 3 to 5 years, EV battery pack lifespan is much longer. Typically, today’s EV batteries last 10 – 20 years. Many car manufacturers offer an 8 to 10-year or 100,000-mile warranty on electric car batteries, which can help ease consumer concerns about battery longevity.

https://www.greenlancer.com/post/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last#:~:text=In%20contrast%2C%20EV%20lithium%2Dion,number%20of%20years%20or%20miles.


This has been covered before in this thread. So why do you keep on with the wrong information?

Because there is a major disconnect between what experts say will happen and what has actually happened so far. Where are the Nissan Leafs and Chevy Volts from 10 years ago, let alone some of the lower volume models? Why do EVs lose so much value so quickly compared to ICE models? A Leaf is only worth 2/3rds of what a Honda Fit from the same year and mileage is worth despite being a more expensive car new.

I still see civics from the 90s being used as daily drivers. What EVs will still run 30 years from now? 20? 12? Twelve is average for ICE vehicles on the road today. If EVs can't last that long, its just greenwashing.

The cars are around. Some guy just drove the 2 millionth mile in his tesla. No reason to think EVs won’t last as long or longer (given there are fewer parts to wear out) than ICE.

You don’t see a lot of them because there weren’t that many sold 10-12 years ago (not to mention the battery tech has improved in the last 10-12 years).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have the time to read 36 pages. I get that there are problems with EVs, which is why DH and I are hesitating on getting one. But SOMETHING has to change. What measures, if any, are Republicans willing to adopt that can mitigate some of the damage to the environment caused by automobiles?

You mean there isn't a smokestack somewhere behind that EV? You think electricity comes out of thin air?

Is this more about you feeling good about yourself than anything of substance?

Have you ever used Google? The US electrical generation is as follows(roughly).

18% nuclear
22% renewables
43% natural gas
16% coal

Renewables are projected to grow by 9-12% per year for the next decade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have the time to read 36 pages. I get that there are problems with EVs, which is why DH and I are hesitating on getting one. But SOMETHING has to change. What measures, if any, are Republicans willing to adopt that can mitigate some of the damage to the environment caused by automobiles?

You mean there isn't a smokestack somewhere behind that EV? You think electricity comes out of thin air?

Is this more about you feeling good about yourself than anything of substance?

Have you ever used Google? The US electrical generation is as follows(roughly).

18% nuclear
22% renewables
43% natural gas
16% coal

Renewables are projected to grow by 9-12% per year for the next decade.

Projected by whom and with what data?

[Anonymous]

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Wow, auto makers are selling more EVs by taking away market share from other EV makers. Given the total market share will never reach 35% they will also be making ICE vehicles at the plant for decades to come.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have the time to read 36 pages. I get that there are problems with EVs, which is why DH and I are hesitating on getting one. But SOMETHING has to change. What measures, if any, are Republicans willing to adopt that can mitigate some of the damage to the environment caused by automobiles?

You mean there isn't a smokestack somewhere behind that EV? You think electricity comes out of thin air?

Is this more about you feeling good about yourself than anything of substance?

You might not want to hear it but the grid is moving towards renewables (including battery storage) very quickly. CA is capable of meeting all it’s electric needs from renewables now. Texas in this heat wave has 40-50% renewables. And EVs are about 4x more efficient in using fuel than ICE engines anyway.

The shtick where people act like EVs aren’t much better for the environment is just a tired excuse for the fossil fuel industry that we’ve all been subsidizing for decades. They make billions, destroy the climate and laugh at all the way to the bank.

I don't think this is actually true. Doesn't CA pull from other states grids? AZ? I'll try to find the article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Spend an extra 20000 to save $1000 a year in gas. And Virginia makes you pay extra for registration.

Your numbers are about 10 years out of date. EVs are close to price parity now— or cheaper based on KBB 5 yr TCO and will only get cheaper relative to ICE.

5 year TCO is something, but what happens in years 6-8 when a battery needs to be replaced? The average ICE vehicle is around 12 years old in the US, and you rarely see an electric that old. Will current electrics still be tooling around in 2036, or will they be scrap? If scrap, how is that good for the environment or people's wallets?

lol that does not happen because the batteries last 15-20 years. The question you should be concerned about is what happens when your ICE comes off warranty in 5 years?

While lead-acid car batteries last about 3 to 5 years, EV battery pack lifespan is much longer. Typically, today’s EV batteries last 10 – 20 years. Many car manufacturers offer an 8 to 10-year or 100,000-mile warranty on electric car batteries, which can help ease consumer concerns about battery longevity.

https://www.greenlancer.com/post/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last#:~:text=In%20contrast%2C%20EV%20lithium%2Dion,number%20of%20years%20or%20miles.


This has been covered before in this thread. So why do you keep on with the wrong information?

Because there is a major disconnect between what experts say will happen and what has actually happened so far. Where are the Nissan Leafs and Chevy Volts from 10 years ago, let alone some of the lower volume models? Why do EVs lose so much value so quickly compared to ICE models? A Leaf is only worth 2/3rds of what a Honda Fit from the same year and mileage is worth despite being a more expensive car new.

I still see civics from the 90s being used as daily drivers. What EVs will still run 30 years from now? 20? 12? Twelve is average for ICE vehicles on the road today. If EVs can't last that long, its just greenwashing.

The cars are around. Some guy just drove the 2 millionth mile in his tesla. No reason to think EVs won’t last as long or longer (given there are fewer parts to wear out) than ICE.

You don’t see a lot of them because there weren’t that many sold 10-12 years ago (not to mention the battery tech has improved in the last 10-12 years).

Stories from Leaf owners of 10ish year old cars: https://www.reddit.com/r/leaf/comments/13j9ti9/owners_of_leaf_for_over_10_years_what_range_are/
Some are down to 30ish miles. That's why you don't see them on the road anymore, they might make it to the grocery store and back. They are headed to the crusher shortly.

I'm sure people will bring up battery tech in 10 years when today's electrics are similarly circling the drain. Go environment!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Spend an extra 20000 to save $1000 a year in gas. And Virginia makes you pay extra for registration.

Your numbers are about 10 years out of date. EVs are close to price parity now— or cheaper based on KBB 5 yr TCO and will only get cheaper relative to ICE.

5 year TCO is something, but what happens in years 6-8 when a battery needs to be replaced? The average ICE vehicle is around 12 years old in the US, and you rarely see an electric that old. Will current electrics still be tooling around in 2036, or will they be scrap? If scrap, how is that good for the environment or people's wallets?

lol that does not happen because the batteries last 15-20 years. The question you should be concerned about is what happens when your ICE comes off warranty in 5 years?

While lead-acid car batteries last about 3 to 5 years, EV battery pack lifespan is much longer. Typically, today’s EV batteries last 10 – 20 years. Many car manufacturers offer an 8 to 10-year or 100,000-mile warranty on electric car batteries, which can help ease consumer concerns about battery longevity.

https://www.greenlancer.com/post/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last#:~:text=In%20contrast%2C%20EV%20lithium%2Dion,number%20of%20years%20or%20miles.


This has been covered before in this thread. So why do you keep on with the wrong information?

Because there is a major disconnect between what experts say will happen and what has actually happened so far. Where are the Nissan Leafs and Chevy Volts from 10 years ago, let alone some of the lower volume models? Why do EVs lose so much value so quickly compared to ICE models? A Leaf is only worth 2/3rds of what a Honda Fit from the same year and mileage is worth despite being a more expensive car new.

I still see civics from the 90s being used as daily drivers. What EVs will still run 30 years from now? 20? 12? Twelve is average for ICE vehicles on the road today. If EVs can't last that long, its just greenwashing.

The cars are around. Some guy just drove the 2 millionth mile in his tesla. No reason to think EVs won’t last as long or longer (given there are fewer parts to wear out) than ICE.

You don’t see a lot of them because there weren’t that many sold 10-12 years ago (not to mention the battery tech has improved in the last 10-12 years).

Stories from Leaf owners of 10ish year old cars: https://www.reddit.com/r/leaf/comments/13j9ti9/owners_of_leaf_for_over_10_years_what_range_are/
Some are down to 30ish miles. That's why you don't see them on the road anymore, they might make it to the grocery store and back. They are headed to the crusher shortly.

I'm sure people will bring up battery tech in 10 years when today's electrics are similarly circling the drain. Go environment!

Yeah, that's the way most technology works - generational improvement. We went to the moon 60 years ago on computer technology that is dwarfed by today's smart phones.