BOE/MCPS is a mess

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Anonymous wrote:These posts here are really out of touch. MoCo reelects these same members of the BoE year after year in landslide victories. It's clear the majority of us support them and their policies and just a few malcontents posting mostly disinformation to push their regressive agendas.

If everyone could only vote for board members in their OWN districts (to weaken the Apple Ballot influence), it might not be such a "landslide"..

I would be interested to see the in which districts the greatest number of ballots are cast, though. I'm guessing there is some voting pocket out there that's hijacked the voting representation for the other districts?

Because teachers only live in some school board districts but not in others? That seems like a problem.

Why would anyone want to weaken the Apple ballot? Most of us vote the Apple ballot because they are the best candidates.

There are a lot of wealthy cranks who hate their taxes funding public education and resent the idea that teachers organizing to be paid a living wage.

Are MCPS teachers not currently being paid enough (make sure to take into account the benefits)? What salary scale would you recommend?

If they were paid enough, there wouldn't be chronic teacher shortages.

AGAIN, WHAT SALARY SCALE WOULD YOU RECOMMEND?

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Are MCPS teachers not currently being paid enough (make sure to take into account the benefits)? What salary scale would you recommend?

If they were paid enough, there wouldn't be chronic teacher shortages.

AGAIN, WHAT SALARY SCALE WOULD YOU RECOMMEND?

DP. Enough so that there aren't chronic teacher shortages. That's how the free market works, isn't it?

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Btw among my teacher friends working conditions are the biggest issue. Many stay with their same employers specifically because of the compensation, especially the pension, long past the time they get fed up with bureaucracy and crazy parents. When people bring up things that would improve working conditions, like smaller class sizes, we're told that's not the union's concern. You know what else would have improved working conditions? NOT STAYING IN VIRTUAL FOR 18 MONTHS. That's why we need non-Apple Ballot candidates, like Lynne Harris who beat the Apple Ballot candidate. The problem is we often don't have non crazy right-wing nutjobs running against the Apple Ballot, that's why they keep getting reelected. MCEA controls the BOE and has collective bargaining rights and that's a recipe for disaster.

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Are MCPS teachers not currently being paid enough (make sure to take into account the benefits)? What salary scale would you recommend?

If they were paid enough, there wouldn't be chronic teacher shortages.

AGAIN, WHAT SALARY SCALE WOULD YOU RECOMMEND?

DP. Enough so that there aren't chronic teacher shortages. That's how the free market works, isn't it?

My teacher friends just want better working conditions.

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Anonymous wrote:These posts here are really out of touch. MoCo reelects these same members of the BoE year after year in landslide victories. It's clear the majority of us support them and their policies and just a few malcontents posting mostly disinformation to push their regressive agendas.

If everyone could only vote for board members in their OWN districts (to weaken the Apple Ballot influence), it might not be such a "landslide"..

I would be interested to see the in which districts the greatest number of ballots are cast, though. I'm guessing there is some voting pocket out there that's hijacked the voting representation for the other districts?

Because teachers only live in some school board districts but not in others? That seems like a problem.

Why would anyone want to weaken the Apple ballot? Most of us vote the Apple ballot because they are the best candidates.

Because behind the Apple Ballot is the Teacher's Union and they only care about the teachers. No one is looking out for students because the MCPS leadership and the Teacher's Union are in bed together. What organized group is really looking out for the students besides the local PTSAs?

Most us support teachers and it sounds resent public education, teachers, and unions.

I very much support teachers too but as someone who is friends and whose family members are teachers, I know that the Union asks for some things that do more harm for students. Principals are no longer able to lead according to what's best for their students because they must constantly comply with MCPS central leadership and the Union.

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Anonymous wrote:These posts here are really out of touch. MoCo reelects these same members of the BoE year after year in landslide victories. It's clear the majority of us support them and their policies and just a few malcontents posting mostly disinformation to push their regressive agendas.

If everyone could only vote for board members in their OWN districts (to weaken the Apple Ballot influence), it might not be such a "landslide"..

I would be interested to see the in which districts the greatest number of ballots are cast, though. I'm guessing there is some voting pocket out there that's hijacked the voting representation for the other districts?

Because teachers only live in some school board districts but not in others? That seems like a problem.

Why would anyone want to weaken the Apple ballot? Most of us vote the Apple ballot because they are the best candidates.

Because behind the Apple Ballot is the Teacher's Union and they only care about the teachers. No one is looking out for students because the MCPS leadership and the Teacher's Union are in bed together. What organized group is really looking out for the students besides the local PTSAs?

Most us support teachers and it sounds resent public education, teachers, and unions.

I very much support teachers too but as someone who is friends and whose family members are teachers, I know that the Union asks for some things that do more harm for students. Principals are no longer able to lead according to what's best for their students because they must constantly comply with MCPS central leadership and the Union.

In order to have happy students, you have to have happy teachers. In order to create positive environments for students, teachers needs (aka workers) need to be fulfilled. Whatever benefits teachers is benefitting students. What about this don't you understand? Take a management 101 course for chrissake.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw among my teacher friends working conditions are the biggest issue. Many stay with their same employers specifically because of the compensation, especially the pension, long past the time they get fed up with bureaucracy and crazy parents. When people bring up things that would improve working conditions, like smaller class sizes, we're told that's not the union's concern. You know what else would have improved working conditions? NOT STAYING IN VIRTUAL FOR 18 MONTHS. That's why we need non-Apple Ballot candidates, like Lynne Harris who beat the Apple Ballot candidate. The problem is we often don't have non crazy right-wing nutjobs running against the Apple Ballot, that's why they keep getting reelected. MCEA controls the BOE and has collective bargaining rights and that's a recipe for disaster.

Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:These posts here are really out of touch. MoCo reelects these same members of the BoE year after year in landslide victories. It's clear the majority of us support them and their policies and just a few malcontents posting mostly disinformation to push their regressive agendas.

If everyone could only vote for board members in their OWN districts (to weaken the Apple Ballot influence), it might not be such a "landslide"..

I would be interested to see the in which districts the greatest number of ballots are cast, though. I'm guessing there is some voting pocket out there that's hijacked the voting representation for the other districts?

Because teachers only live in some school board districts but not in others? That seems like a problem.

Why would anyone want to weaken the Apple ballot? Most of us vote the Apple ballot because they are the best candidates.

Because behind the Apple Ballot is the Teacher's Union and they only care about the teachers. No one is looking out for students because the MCPS leadership and the Teacher's Union are in bed together. What organized group is really looking out for the students besides the local PTSAs?

Most us support teachers and it sounds resent public education, teachers, and unions.

I very much support teachers too but as someone who is friends and whose family members are teachers, I know that the Union asks for some things that do more harm for students. Principals are no longer able to lead according to what's best for their students because they must constantly comply with MCPS central leadership and the Union.

In order to have happy students, you have to have happy teachers. In order to create positive environments for students, teachers needs (aka workers) need to be fulfilled. Whatever benefits teachers is benefitting students. What about this don't you understand? Take a management 101 course for chrissake.

DP you clearly have no understanding of how MCEA or the BOE work. They basically demand that all available funds to increase the budget go to teacher's salary increases, and then demand that the County Council raise taxes to fund any service improvements. The County Council is often not able to do this ESPECIALLY DURING A PANDEMIC because they can't just tax rich people (not allowed with property taxes) and a lot of people lost their jobs or had to quit thanks to school closures. While of course we want well-compensated teachers, the salary scale and associated benefits is not meager by any stretch of the imagination, and most of the concerns we all hear from actual teachers are not about compensation, they are about working conditions. But when it comes to class size reductions for example, well that's not MCEA's concern.

I'm sorry you don't pay attention to how the MCPS budget works, but that is no reason to insult people who do.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw among my teacher friends working conditions are the biggest issue. Many stay with their same employers specifically because of the compensation, especially the pension, long past the time they get fed up with bureaucracy and crazy parents. When people bring up things that would improve working conditions, like smaller class sizes, we're told that's not the union's concern. You know what else would have improved working conditions? NOT STAYING IN VIRTUAL FOR 18 MONTHS. That's why we need non-Apple Ballot candidates, like Lynne Harris who beat the Apple Ballot candidate. The problem is we often don't have non crazy right-wing nutjobs running against the Apple Ballot, that's why they keep getting reelected. MCEA controls the BOE and has collective bargaining rights and that's a recipe for disaster.

this makes no sense

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Anonymous wrote:Btw among my teacher friends working conditions are the biggest issue. Many stay with their same employers specifically because of the compensation, especially the pension, long past the time they get fed up with bureaucracy and crazy parents. When people bring up things that would improve working conditions, like smaller class sizes, we're told that's not the union's concern. You know what else would have improved working conditions? NOT STAYING IN VIRTUAL FOR 18 MONTHS. That's why we need non-Apple Ballot candidates, like Lynne Harris who beat the Apple Ballot candidate. The problem is we often don't have non crazy right-wing nutjobs running against the Apple Ballot, that's why they keep getting reelected. MCEA controls the BOE and has collective bargaining rights and that's a recipe for disaster.

this makes no sense

The fact you have no actual rebuttal suggests otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These posts here are really out of touch. MoCo reelects these same members of the BoE year after year in landslide victories. It's clear the majority of us support them and their policies and just a few malcontents posting mostly disinformation to push their regressive agendas.

If everyone could only vote for board members in their OWN districts (to weaken the Apple Ballot influence), it might not be such a "landslide"..

I would be interested to see the in which districts the greatest number of ballots are cast, though. I'm guessing there is some voting pocket out there that's hijacked the voting representation for the other districts?

Because teachers only live in some school board districts but not in others? That seems like a problem.

Why would anyone want to weaken the Apple ballot? Most of us vote the Apple ballot because they are the best candidates.

Because behind the Apple Ballot is the Teacher's Union and they only care about the teachers. No one is looking out for students because the MCPS leadership and the Teacher's Union are in bed together. What organized group is really looking out for the students besides the local PTSAs?

Most us support teachers and it sounds resent public education, teachers, and unions.

I very much support teachers too but as someone who is friends and whose family members are teachers, I know that the Union asks for some things that do more harm for students. Principals are no longer able to lead according to what's best for their students because they must constantly comply with MCPS central leadership and the Union.

In order to have happy students, you have to have happy teachers. In order to create positive environments for students, teachers needs (aka workers) need to be fulfilled. Whatever benefits teachers is benefitting students. What about this don't you understand? Take a management 101 course for chrissake.

DP you clearly have no understanding of how MCEA or the BOE work. They basically demand that all available funds to increase the budget go to teacher's salary increases, and then demand that the County Council raise taxes to fund any service improvements. The County Council is often not able to do this ESPECIALLY DURING A PANDEMIC because they can't just tax rich people (not allowed with property taxes) and a lot of people lost their jobs or had to quit thanks to school closures. While of course we want well-compensated teachers, the salary scale and associated benefits is not meager by any stretch of the imagination, and most of the concerns we all hear from actual teachers are not about compensation, they are about working conditions. But when it comes to class size reductions for example, well that's not MCEA's concern.

I'm sorry you don't pay attention to how the MCPS budget works, but that is no reason to insult people who do.

Except it doesn't work that way at all. A lot of the funds are siphoned off by CO bloat and silly programs, and then there are the developer exemptions who keep building in overcrowded school boundaries... Don't get me started. Your views on this are too simpleminded.

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Anonymous wrote:These posts here are really out of touch. MoCo reelects these same members of the BoE year after year in landslide victories. It's clear the majority of us support them and their policies and just a few malcontents posting mostly disinformation to push their regressive agendas.

If everyone could only vote for board members in their OWN districts (to weaken the Apple Ballot influence), it might not be such a "landslide"..

I would be interested to see the in which districts the greatest number of ballots are cast, though. I'm guessing there is some voting pocket out there that's hijacked the voting representation for the other districts?

Because teachers only live in some school board districts but not in others? That seems like a problem.

Why would anyone want to weaken the Apple ballot? Most of us vote the Apple ballot because they are the best candidates.

Because behind the Apple Ballot is the Teacher's Union and they only care about the teachers. No one is looking out for students because the MCPS leadership and the Teacher's Union are in bed together. What organized group is really looking out for the students besides the local PTSAs?

Most us support teachers and it sounds resent public education, teachers, and unions.

I very much support teachers too but as someone who is friends and whose family members are teachers, I know that the Union asks for some things that do more harm for students. Principals are no longer able to lead according to what's best for their students because they must constantly comply with MCPS central leadership and the Union.

In order to have happy students, you have to have happy teachers. In order to create positive environments for students, teachers needs (aka workers) need to be fulfilled. Whatever benefits teachers is benefitting students. What about this don't you understand? Take a management 101 course for chrissake.

And you need to take a reading comprehension course. I said, "I know that the Union asks for SOME things that do more harm for students." And if you had taken a management course, you would know that there are things that benefit one group that sometimes can harm other groups.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw among my teacher friends working conditions are the biggest issue. Many stay with their same employers specifically because of the compensation, especially the pension, long past the time they get fed up with bureaucracy and crazy parents. When people bring up things that would improve working conditions, like smaller class sizes, we're told that's not the union's concern. You know what else would have improved working conditions? NOT STAYING IN VIRTUAL FOR 18 MONTHS. That's why we need non-Apple Ballot candidates, like Lynne Harris who beat the Apple Ballot candidate. The problem is we often don't have non crazy right-wing nutjobs running against the Apple Ballot, that's why they keep getting reelected. MCEA controls the BOE and has collective bargaining rights and that's a recipe for disaster.

this makes no sense

The fact you have no actual rebuttal suggests otherwise.

It looks like complete gibberish and isn't really wroth reading.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw among my teacher friends working conditions are the biggest issue. Many stay with their same employers specifically because of the compensation, especially the pension, long past the time they get fed up with bureaucracy and crazy parents. When people bring up things that would improve working conditions, like smaller class sizes, we're told that's not the union's concern. You know what else would have improved working conditions? NOT STAYING IN VIRTUAL FOR 18 MONTHS. That's why we need non-Apple Ballot candidates, like Lynne Harris who beat the Apple Ballot candidate. The problem is we often don't have non crazy right-wing nutjobs running against the Apple Ballot, that's why they keep getting reelected. MCEA controls the BOE and has collective bargaining rights and that's a recipe for disaster.

this makes no sense

The fact you have no actual rebuttal suggests otherwise.

It looks like complete gibberish and isn't really wroth reading.

If you didn't read it, you don't know if it makes sense or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These posts here are really out of touch. MoCo reelects these same members of the BoE year after year in landslide victories. It's clear the majority of us support them and their policies and just a few malcontents posting mostly disinformation to push their regressive agendas.

If everyone could only vote for board members in their OWN districts (to weaken the Apple Ballot influence), it might not be such a "landslide"..

I would be interested to see the in which districts the greatest number of ballots are cast, though. I'm guessing there is some voting pocket out there that's hijacked the voting representation for the other districts?

Because teachers only live in some school board districts but not in others? That seems like a problem.

Why would anyone want to weaken the Apple ballot? Most of us vote the Apple ballot because they are the best candidates.

Because behind the Apple Ballot is the Teacher's Union and they only care about the teachers. No one is looking out for students because the MCPS leadership and the Teacher's Union are in bed together. What organized group is really looking out for the students besides the local PTSAs?

Most us support teachers and it sounds resent public education, teachers, and unions.

I very much support teachers too but as someone who is friends and whose family members are teachers, I know that the Union asks for some things that do more harm for students. Principals are no longer able to lead according to what's best for their students because they must constantly comply with MCPS central leadership and the Union.

In order to have happy students, you have to have happy teachers. In order to create positive environments for students, teachers needs (aka workers) need to be fulfilled. Whatever benefits teachers is benefitting students. What about this don't you understand? Take a management 101 course for chrissake.

DP you clearly have no understanding of how MCEA or the BOE work. They basically demand that all available funds to increase the budget go to teacher's salary increases, and then demand that the County Council raise taxes to fund any service improvements. The County Council is often not able to do this ESPECIALLY DURING A PANDEMIC because they can't just tax rich people (not allowed with property taxes) and a lot of people lost their jobs or had to quit thanks to school closures. While of course we want well-compensated teachers, the salary scale and associated benefits is not meager by any stretch of the imagination, and most of the concerns we all hear from actual teachers are not about compensation, they are about working conditions. But when it comes to class size reductions for example, well that's not MCEA's concern.

I'm sorry you don't pay attention to how the MCPS budget works, but that is no reason to insult people who do.

Except it doesn't work that way at all. A lot of the funds are siphoned off by CO bloat and silly programs, and then there are the developer exemptions who keep building in overcrowded school boundaries... Don't get me started. Your views on this are too simpleminded.

Yeah the developer exemptions are not really relevant to anything I said, or to the BOE in general. As for "CO bloat", can you quantify how much money that is? How many teacher positions or school additions could you get out of it? My guess is a. About 10 and b. Zero