Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

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Anonymous wrote:In Moscow there are 5 cases suspected. A group of Chinese tourists in a hotel. If confirmed, this will deteriorate quickly.

Wow. I was not expecting that one.

And one of the few international flights out of the Wuhan airport today was to Moscow, so there will be more.

I'm more concerned than usual about us here in the U.S. because of the current disarray in the White House and the Executive Branch in general. With all vacant positions in DHS and the NSC, is there even anyone working on pandemic planning? And what about the State Dept? The fact they can only get a limited number of Americans out of Wuhan is disappointing.

I have no doubts about the CDC, but they can only do so much.

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Anonymous wrote:In Moscow there are 5 cases suspected. A group of Chinese tourists in a hotel. If confirmed, this will deteriorate quickly.

Wow. I was not expecting that one.

Why not? There are more flights to Moscow than to NYC from China.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the SARS fatality list from the WHO. Anyone notice something? Something statistically interesting?

https://www.who.int/csr/sars/country/country2003_08_15.pdf?ua=1

Cases--Deaths--Fatality rate
TWN — 665 — 180 — 27%
HKG — 1775 — 299 — 16%
CHINA — 5327 — 349 — 6.6%
CAN — 251 — 44 — 17%
SGP — 238 — 33 — 13%

Amazing how one country did so much better treating and saving patients than the others.

Is it the one responsible for the virus notorious for a lack of public health transparency who underreported it to save face?

Ask the microbiologist who says we have good statistics from China.

The microbiologist expressed the view that the statistics coming out of China on the Wuhan virus were good.

She said nothing about the SARS statistics from China, which pretty much everyone agrees were deeply suspect.

China does seem to have learned from SARS that lying about an epidemic can have lasting adverse effects on one's international reputation. Hence, the tendency to think the Wuhan numbers are much more accurate.

BS

They did the exact same thing this time. They hid it and downplayed it for weeks. Are you paying attention? The social media is China is livid that the same stuff is still going on.

I wrote the above and was trying to explain why some, including scientists, think the data we are getting from China on Wuhan is more accurate--you'll notice I wrote "a tendency to think" and noted greater accuracy relative to SARS (a really low bar).

I personally remain skeptical about the Chinese numbers. A post above on the Reuters story that they are building a second, larger instant hospital in Wuhan deepens my suspicion about the data China is giving out.

[Anonymous]

Interesting that disposable surgical masks aren't available on Amazon.

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UK has its first case confirmed — someone who’d retuned from Wuhan. Ugh

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Panicking seems premature. There are a lot of cases popping up everywhere, yes, but we don’t know if these are severe or mild cases. Or if the virus is even spreading at these new nodes. A week will yield some clarity.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that disposable surgical masks aren't available on Amazon.

Ineresting that they are still available at your local pharmacy

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What was going on in Wuhan to cause this? I read the CDC website on this virus and it mentioned connection to bats. I wonder how this would get from a bat to a person, perhaps through a bat bite? Are bats an issue in Wuhan, as a public pest?

If China knows these things keep popping up from animal contact, they need to re-examine their protocols about animal handling by humans, as well as pest and rodent control.

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Anonymous wrote:What was going on in Wuhan to cause this? I read the CDC website on this virus and it mentioned connection to bats. I wonder how this would get from a bat to a person, perhaps through a bat bite? Are bats an issue in Wuhan, as a public pest?

If China knows these things keep popping up from animal contact, they need to re-examine their protocols about animal handling by humans, as well as pest and rodent control.

Google ‘bat soup’

Seriously...

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Anonymous wrote:What was going on in Wuhan to cause this? I read the CDC website on this virus and it mentioned connection to bats. I wonder how this would get from a bat to a person, perhaps through a bat bite? Are bats an issue in Wuhan, as a public pest?

If China knows these things keep popping up from animal contact, they need to re-examine their protocols about animal handling by humans, as well as pest and rodent control.

They know how it was transmitted. It was from the live meat market. It was from bats, but may have been transmitted from the bats to snakes and then to people. SARS was from bats also.

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CDC investigating a possible case in suburban Denver. Test results not back yet.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/01/24/coronavirus-denver-lakewood-colorado/

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https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-01-24/coronavirus-deaths-surge-in-china-while-europe-finds-first-cases?in_source=amp_trending_now_1

“The new virus has an incubation period of about two weeks before infected people start to show symptoms, which resemble a cold or flu, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”

So many people could be carriers right now and not even know it. I’m chilled to see how this will play out over the mext couple weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:What was going on in Wuhan to cause this? I read the CDC website on this virus and it mentioned connection to bats. I wonder how this would get from a bat to a person, perhaps through a bat bite? Are bats an issue in Wuhan, as a public pest?

If China knows these things keep popping up from animal contact, they need to re-examine their protocols about animal handling by humans, as well as pest and rodent control.

They know how it was transmitted. It was from the live meat market. It was from bats, but may have been transmitted from the bats to snakes and then to people. SARS was from bats also.

Yes--SARS was from bats intermediated through civets or racoon dogs. MERS was from bats intermediated through camels.

This is from Science News:

"Bats are often thought of as a source of coronaviruses, but in most cases they don’t pass the virus directly on to humans. SARS probably first jumped from bats into raccoon dogs or palm civets before making the leap to humans. All the pieces necessary to re-create SARS are circulating among bats, though that virus has not been seen since 2004 (SN: 11/30/17).

MERS, meanwhile, went from bats to camels before leaping to humans (SN: 2/25/14). A paper published January 22 in the Journal of Medical Virology suggests that the new coronavirus has components from bat coronaviruses, but that snakes may have passed the virus to humans. But many virologists are skeptical that snakes are behind the outbreak (SN: 1/24/20)."

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/how-new-wuhan-coronavirus-stacks-up-against-sars-mers

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Anonymous wrote:What was going on in Wuhan to cause this? I read the CDC website on this virus and it mentioned connection to bats. I wonder how this would get from a bat to a person, perhaps through a bat bite? Are bats an issue in Wuhan, as a public pest?

If China knows these things keep popping up from animal contact, they need to re-examine their protocols about animal handling by humans, as well as pest and rodent control.

They know how it was transmitted. It was from the live meat market. It was from bats, but may have been transmitted from the bats to snakes and then to people. SARS was from bats also.

The snake thing was false information - it had nothing to do with snakes.

The article in the Lancet describing the first several cases shows the first case as having an illness onset of Dec. 1. That person had NO connection to the meat/seafood market. The next 2 cases didn't have an illness onset until 9 days later, Dec 10, and only one of those people is connected to the market. So the thought is that it did NOT start at the meat market. You can see the graph here.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext#figures

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that disposable surgical masks aren't available on Amazon.

Ineresting that they are still available at your local pharmacy

Probably, I haven't been. I'm not saying it as evidence to panic, it just appears to be possible evidence that many are. Not sure how amazon distribution to a U.S. consumer is being affected by global supply chain or if it's domestic warehouses being depleted by preppers.

A guy at my gym had a heart transplant and wears them and said he can't get any right now.