How to respond when kid gets into school and is Legacy

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Anonymous wrote:The only correct response, is " yeah I know I am lucky to have that added hook on my application. Thank you mom and dad!"

There's no reason to pretend it wasn't helpful or that your kid could have gotten in without your legacy status. It just makes you look small when you try to delude your friends. Your kid should just own that they had the advantage and are grateful and appreciative for it.

Even the historical numbers you rely on show that many legacy applicants could indeed get in without being a legacy, especially the more recent data. The same is not true of most other categories of hooks.

That is irrelevant to the fact that legacy is an extremely significant boost, one of the most powerful. The odds are that they would not have been accepted absent the legacy hook because that’s how the process works.

Lots of circular logic here. You must not have gone to a T10 school.

You don’t understand what circular logic actually is. Also, I went to HYSP.

+1, this is not circular logic.

I do think it’s amusing that one of these legacy parents who claim their kids would have easily gotten in without a legacy hook doesn’t even understand what circular logic is, yet still tries to use it as an insult. It’s telling.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really nuts, if legacy parents really thought it didn't matter their kids could have applied without checking the legacy box/filling in the info, be it double legacy or 4th generation or whatever. They didn't do that because they also know it matters but once admitted they want to pretend otherwise. Just own it and move on

There is no such box on the Harvard application. I already told you that.

Actually a different poster….
Was this thread about Harvard?

Clearly it is about the T5 schools and using historical data from a Harvard lawsuit that is nearly a decade old. Pp is now going off about checking a box that doesn’t exist. Further proof of how out of touch they are with the current application cycle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only correct response, is " yeah I know I am lucky to have that added hook on my application. Thank you mom and dad!"

There's no reason to pretend it wasn't helpful or that your kid could have gotten in without your legacy status. It just makes you look small when you try to delude your friends. Your kid should just own that they had the advantage and are grateful and appreciative for it.

Even the historical numbers you rely on show that many legacy applicants could indeed get in without being a legacy, especially the more recent data. The same is not true of most other categories of hooks.

That is irrelevant to the fact that legacy is an extremely significant boost, one of the most powerful. The odds are that they would not have been accepted absent the legacy hook because that’s how the process works.

Lots of circular logic here. You must not have gone to a T10 school.

You don’t understand what circular logic actually is. Also, I went to HYSP.

Sure you did Jan.

I mean, you are the one throwing around the term “circular logic” while plainly not understanding what circular logic actually is. I’d say you are the one unlikely to have gone to a good school based on the evidence, but sadly this thread has demonstrated to me yet again that a degree from a good school doesn’t mean its graduates have basic logical reasoning skills.

Lots of kids get rejected therefore OP’s kid would be rejected. You’ve been making that argument for 30 pages now with zero knowledge of the actual applicant. Not impressive.

Yeah, that is a circular argument.

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Anonymous wrote:The only correct response, is " yeah I know I am lucky to have that added hook on my application. Thank you mom and dad!"

There's no reason to pretend it wasn't helpful or that your kid could have gotten in without your legacy status. It just makes you look small when you try to delude your friends. Your kid should just own that they had the advantage and are grateful and appreciative for it.

Even the historical numbers you rely on show that many legacy applicants could indeed get in without being a legacy, especially the more recent data. The same is not true of most other categories of hooks.

That is irrelevant to the fact that legacy is an extremely significant boost, one of the most powerful. The odds are that they would not have been accepted absent the legacy hook because that’s how the process works.

Lots of circular logic here. You must not have gone to a T10 school.

You don’t understand what circular logic actually is. Also, I went to HYSP.

Sure you did Jan.

I mean, you are the one throwing around the term “circular logic” while plainly not understanding what circular logic actually is. I’d say you are the one unlikely to have gone to a good school based on the evidence, but sadly this thread has demonstrated to me yet again that a degree from a good school doesn’t mean its graduates have basic logical reasoning skills.

Lots of kids get rejected therefore OP’s kid would be rejected. You’ve been making that argument for 30 pages now with zero knowledge of the actual applicant. Not impressive.

Wow. You do not even have basic reading comprehension skills. Embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is really nuts, if legacy parents really thought it didn't matter their kids could have applied without checking the legacy box/filling in the info, be it double legacy or 4th generation or whatever. They didn't do that because they also know it matters but once admitted they want to pretend otherwise. Just own it and move on

There is no such box on the Harvard application. I already told you that.

Actually a different poster….
Was this thread about Harvard?

Clearly it is about the T5 schools and using historical data from a Harvard lawsuit that is nearly a decade old. Pp is now going off about checking a box that doesn’t exist. Further proof of how out of touch they are with the current application cycle.

Speaking mainly for myself but perhaps others are interested here. Is Harvard no longer collecting data on parents?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is really nuts, if legacy parents really thought it didn't matter their kids could have applied without checking the legacy box/filling in the info, be it double legacy or 4th generation or whatever. They didn't do that because they also know it matters but once admitted they want to pretend otherwise. Just own it and move on

There is no such box on the Harvard application. I already told you that.

Actually a different poster….
Was this thread about Harvard?

Clearly it is about the T5 schools and using historical data from a Harvard lawsuit that is nearly a decade old. Pp is now going off about checking a box that doesn’t exist. Further proof of how out of touch they are with the current application cycle.

Speaking mainly for myself but perhaps others are interested here. Is Harvard no longer collecting data on parents?

They no longer ask whether other family members attended Harvard, which is the “box” pp kept asking about, most other schools still ask.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only correct response, is " yeah I know I am lucky to have that added hook on my application. Thank you mom and dad!"

There's no reason to pretend it wasn't helpful or that your kid could have gotten in without your legacy status. It just makes you look small when you try to delude your friends. Your kid should just own that they had the advantage and are grateful and appreciative for it.

Even the historical numbers you rely on show that many legacy applicants could indeed get in without being a legacy, especially the more recent data. The same is not true of most other categories of hooks.

Oh BS just because your kid is not as hard working that's on you.

Legacies get in if they have the grades and test scores.

Or if mommy or daddy buys a building. Which is not that often.

Spare us your stupidity.

My kids were legacies at two different colleges. One was 4 generations. They got in because they did the work. We did not do their college apps. What we did do is teach them how to learn and love learning. They definitely had advantages like tutors during high school if they wanted but getting in that college door they got in on their own. Some of mine came from Public school MOCO and some went to boarding all got in not because of us.

I will not diminish their accomplishments because people do not understand how legacies work.

The point is many kids have the grades and stats this is not unique to your kids. Your kids got in because of legacy.

Many kids may think they have the stats, but it turns out that there 4.0 with “high rigor” is from a school where 20 percent of the kids have the same average due to grade inflation and take the same classes isn’t that impressive.

So only your kids have top rigor from a school with no grade inflation. Got it! Thanks for clarifying. My kids go to a top private school and I see the legacy parents, so full of themselves that their kids are so bright and special while the kids are tutored at every juncture. Just like you think that many 4.0 kids are at grade inflated schools, many of us think legacy kids would not have gotten in without that bump. If your kids are truly bright they would not have applied to schools where they did not have a legacy advantage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is really nuts, if legacy parents really thought it didn't matter their kids could have applied without checking the legacy box/filling in the info, be it double legacy or 4th generation or whatever. They didn't do that because they also know it matters but once admitted they want to pretend otherwise. Just own it and move on

There is no such box on the Harvard application. I already told you that.

Actually a different poster….
Was this thread about Harvard?

Clearly it is about the T5 schools and using historical data from a Harvard lawsuit that is nearly a decade old. Pp is now going off about checking a box that doesn’t exist. Further proof of how out of touch they are with the current application cycle.

Speaking mainly for myself but perhaps others are interested here. Is Harvard no longer collecting data on parents?

They no longer ask whether other family members attended Harvard, which is the “box” pp kept asking about, most other schools still ask.

Didn’t see PP keep asking about a box, specifically, but maybe you’re referring to something I missed much earlier on the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only correct response, is " yeah I know I am lucky to have that added hook on my application. Thank you mom and dad!"

There's no reason to pretend it wasn't helpful or that your kid could have gotten in without your legacy status. It just makes you look small when you try to delude your friends. Your kid should just own that they had the advantage and are grateful and appreciative for it.

Even the historical numbers you rely on show that many legacy applicants could indeed get in without being a legacy, especially the more recent data. The same is not true of most other categories of hooks.

Oh BS just because your kid is not as hard working that's on you.

Legacies get in if they have the grades and test scores.

Or if mommy or daddy buys a building. Which is not that often.

Spare us your stupidity.

My kids were legacies at two different colleges. One was 4 generations. They got in because they did the work. We did not do their college apps. What we did do is teach them how to learn and love learning. They definitely had advantages like tutors during high school if they wanted but getting in that college door they got in on their own. Some of mine came from Public school MOCO and some went to boarding all got in not because of us.

I will not diminish their accomplishments because people do not understand how legacies work.

The point is many kids have the grades and stats this is not unique to your kids. Your kids got in because of legacy.

Many kids may think they have the stats, but it turns out that there 4.0 with “high rigor” is from a school where 20 percent of the kids have the same average due to grade inflation and take the same classes isn’t that impressive.

So only your kids have top rigor from a school with no grade inflation. Got it! Thanks for clarifying. My kids go to a top private school and I see the legacy parents, so full of themselves that their kids are so bright and special while the kids are tutored at every juncture. Just like you think that many 4.0 kids are at grade inflated schools, many of us think legacy kids would not have gotten in without that bump. If your kids are truly bright they would not have applied to schools where they did not have a legacy advantage.

**they could have applied to schools where they did not have a legacy advantage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is really nuts, if legacy parents really thought it didn't matter their kids could have applied without checking the legacy box/filling in the info, be it double legacy or 4th generation or whatever. They didn't do that because they also know it matters but once admitted they want to pretend otherwise. Just own it and move on

There is no such box on the Harvard application. I already told you that.

Actually a different poster….
Was this thread about Harvard?

Clearly it is about the T5 schools and using historical data from a Harvard lawsuit that is nearly a decade old. Pp is now going off about checking a box that doesn’t exist. Further proof of how out of touch they are with the current application cycle.

Speaking mainly for myself but perhaps others are interested here. Is Harvard no longer collecting data on parents?

They no longer ask whether other family members attended Harvard, which is the “box” pp kept asking about, most other schools still ask.

Do you have a source? Because I'm also curious, and find it plausible, but couldn't find something verifiable from a quick Google search. Unfortunately, I don't think eliminating the box means eliminating the preference. All admissions has to do is run the parent names through the development/alumni relations database.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only correct response, is " yeah I know I am lucky to have that added hook on my application. Thank you mom and dad!"

There's no reason to pretend it wasn't helpful or that your kid could have gotten in without your legacy status. It just makes you look small when you try to delude your friends. Your kid should just own that they had the advantage and are grateful and appreciative for it.

Even the historical numbers you rely on show that many legacy applicants could indeed get in without being a legacy, especially the more recent data. The same is not true of most other categories of hooks.

Oh BS just because your kid is not as hard working that's on you.

Legacies get in if they have the grades and test scores.

Or if mommy or daddy buys a building. Which is not that often.

Spare us your stupidity.

My kids were legacies at two different colleges. One was 4 generations. They got in because they did the work. We did not do their college apps. What we did do is teach them how to learn and love learning. They definitely had advantages like tutors during high school if they wanted but getting in that college door they got in on their own. Some of mine came from Public school MOCO and some went to boarding all got in not because of us.

I will not diminish their accomplishments because people do not understand how legacies work.

The point is many kids have the grades and stats this is not unique to your kids. Your kids got in because of legacy.

Many kids may think they have the stats, but it turns out that there 4.0 with “high rigor” is from a school where 20 percent of the kids have the same average due to grade inflation and take the same classes isn’t that impressive.

So only your kids have top rigor from a school with no grade inflation. Got it! Thanks for clarifying. My kids go to a top private school and I see the legacy parents, so full of themselves that their kids are so bright and special while the kids are tutored at every juncture. Just like you think that many 4.0 kids are at grade inflated schools, many of us think legacy kids would not have gotten in without that bump. If your kids are truly bright they would not have applied to schools where they did not have a legacy advantage.

Why would my valedictorian at an elite private with incredible ecs and a 1580 NOT apply to Harvard? To prove a point to some loser on dcum who’s wasted 30 pages working out their issues? I think not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is really nuts, if legacy parents really thought it didn't matter their kids could have applied without checking the legacy box/filling in the info, be it double legacy or 4th generation or whatever. They didn't do that because they also know it matters but once admitted they want to pretend otherwise. Just own it and move on

There is no such box on the Harvard application. I already told you that.

Actually a different poster….
Was this thread about Harvard?

Clearly it is about the T5 schools and using historical data from a Harvard lawsuit that is nearly a decade old. Pp is now going off about checking a box that doesn’t exist. Further proof of how out of touch they are with the current application cycle.

Speaking mainly for myself but perhaps others are interested here. Is Harvard no longer collecting data on parents?

They no longer ask whether other family members attended Harvard, which is the “box” pp kept asking about, most other schools still ask.

Do you have a source? Because I'm also curious, and find it plausible, but couldn't find something verifiable from a quick Google search. Unfortunately, I don't think eliminating the box means eliminating the preference. All admissions has to do is run the parent names through the development/alumni relations database.

The application is publicly available.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is really nuts, if legacy parents really thought it didn't matter their kids could have applied without checking the legacy box/filling in the info, be it double legacy or 4th generation or whatever. They didn't do that because they also know it matters but once admitted they want to pretend otherwise. Just own it and move on

There is no such box on the Harvard application. I already told you that.

Actually a different poster….
Was this thread about Harvard?

Clearly it is about the T5 schools and using historical data from a Harvard lawsuit that is nearly a decade old. Pp is now going off about checking a box that doesn’t exist. Further proof of how out of touch they are with the current application cycle.

Speaking mainly for myself but perhaps others are interested here. Is Harvard no longer collecting data on parents?

They no longer ask whether other family members attended Harvard, which is the “box” pp kept asking about, most other schools still ask.

Do you have a source? Because I'm also curious, and find it plausible, but couldn't find something verifiable from a quick Google search. Unfortunately, I don't think eliminating the box means eliminating the preference. All admissions has to do is run the parent names through the development/alumni relations database.

I did the same thing. But it looks like Harvard still asks about parents’ education, albeit without a Harvard yes/no box, which makes it even easier — and I think still shows that applicants can affirmatively include parents’ info or omit it. If so, the point is absolutely the same.

If I’m missing something

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is really nuts, if legacy parents really thought it didn't matter their kids could have applied without checking the legacy box/filling in the info, be it double legacy or 4th generation or whatever. They didn't do that because they also know it matters but once admitted they want to pretend otherwise. Just own it and move on

There is no such box on the Harvard application. I already told you that.

Actually a different poster….
Was this thread about Harvard?

Clearly it is about the T5 schools and using historical data from a Harvard lawsuit that is nearly a decade old. Pp is now going off about checking a box that doesn’t exist. Further proof of how out of touch they are with the current application cycle.

Speaking mainly for myself but perhaps others are interested here. Is Harvard no longer collecting data on parents?

They no longer ask whether other family members attended Harvard, which is the “box” pp kept asking about, most other schools still ask.

Do you have a source? Because I'm also curious, and find it plausible, but couldn't find something verifiable from a quick Google search. Unfortunately, I don't think eliminating the box means eliminating the preference. All admissions has to do is run the parent names through the development/alumni relations database.

I did the same thing. But it looks like Harvard still asks about parents’ education, albeit without a Harvard yes/no box, which makes it even easier — and I think still shows that applicants can affirmatively include parents’ info or omit it. If so, the point is absolutely the same.

If I’m missing something

Yes, Harvard, like many other schools, use to have a list family members who have attended, which would include siblings, grandparents, etc. . The box that you claim kids should leave blank. It doesn’t exist any longer. Now you seem to be arguing kids should just not apply if they are a legacy because Harvard can still u cover such info. So tiring and stupid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is really nuts, if legacy parents really thought it didn't matter their kids could have applied without checking the legacy box/filling in the info, be it double legacy or 4th generation or whatever. They didn't do that because they also know it matters but once admitted they want to pretend otherwise. Just own it and move on

There is no such box on the Harvard application. I already told you that.

Actually a different poster….
Was this thread about Harvard?

Clearly it is about the T5 schools and using historical data from a Harvard lawsuit that is nearly a decade old. Pp is now going off about checking a box that doesn’t exist. Further proof of how out of touch they are with the current application cycle.

Speaking mainly for myself but perhaps others are interested here. Is Harvard no longer collecting data on parents?

They no longer ask whether other family members attended Harvard, which is the “box” pp kept asking about, most other schools still ask.

Do you have a source? Because I'm also curious, and find it plausible, but couldn't find something verifiable from a quick Google search. Unfortunately, I don't think eliminating the box means eliminating the preference. All admissions has to do is run the parent names through the development/alumni relations database.

The application is publicly available.

Thanks. I just found the supplement for the prior year.

https://college.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/2024-08/Harvard_FY_supplement_2024-2025.pdf

They don't ask about parent education specifically, but it looks like the Common App still does. So yes, legacy info will be all there.

I remember this from when I was applying, but it's really odd how much detailed information is requested about parent occupations and whether you're applying for need-based aid. Really hard to pretend you're need blind when you're collecting all this information on the admissions application.