Record number of high schoolers swapping the Ivy League for the SEC thanks to sunshine, campus culture - The Times

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Ivies are more affordable to our family (and a majority of American families) than our state flagship. Maybe don’t assume the financial profile of who you’re speaking to?

Bullshit. Ivies are dominated by the top 1%

The good thing is our statements aren’t mutually exclusive!

Maybe you don’t understand math

I..wow you’re really stubborn. The ivies would literally be tuition free for my child, so I do know how the finances work out. If you’re worried, I’ll send you over my bills and we can work out a budget plan together, but the ivies would be cheap for most American families- doesn’t mean most American families can get in.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Alabama+at+Birmingham&with=Harvard+University

UAB isn’t Alabama. You people are so dumb lol you don’t even know your SEC schools and you keep citing stats for the worst ones. Too afraid to talk about UF and UGA huh?

Run UGA against various schools…75% select Penn, 76% select Princeton, 78% select Brown. Those were the only Ivy comparisons where they had enough data for UGA.

For UF, 67% pick Penn. Thats the only Ivy comparison with enough data.

Did you honestly think it would be different?

That isn’t a reliable tool and you know it. Plenty of kids prefer the SEC. You should get out more, really.

It’s the most reliable tool there is and what PP was trying to refute.

Most kids don’t apply to both and even fewer kids are accepted to both.

You are the one who shit posts constantly on this thread…so talk about getting out more.

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Facts don’t fit the narrative.

What’s the narrative?

That there are tons of kids turning down Ivy League schools for UGA or UF.

Where was that posted?

“Too afraid to talk about UF and UGA huh?”

Where was “tons of kids turning down IVY League schools for UGA and UF”posted?

Context of the thread. Duh.

Or maybe we all agree that the vast majority of kids are NOT turning down Ivy League schools for UGA and UF?

I’d say the kids going to UGA and UF don’t apply because they know the SEC is what they want. If they get honors they’re probably Ivy quality, just not what they wanted. This isn’t hard lol take some deep breaths

Great. So we all agree that the vast majority of kids are NOT turning down Ivy League schools for UGA and UF?

They don’t even apply to podunk ivies

They aren’t getting in. Sad.

They’re not applying to the Ivies because people in their social
Circles in the South didn’t attend Ivies or northeastern SLAC’s. They don’t care about those schools. It’s not considered a birthright or entitlement or badge of honor for a high stats kid to attend an Ivy.

High-stats kids covet high-ranked schools

Sure. Like top flagships and southern ivies. Stop trying to make fetch happen, southerners don’t govern a shit about your cone head college

Southern publics have to bribe students with 10s of thousands of dollars to begin considering. I’d understand if we were talking about UT Austin, but no one is crying about their chances of getting into Alabama or Ole Miss

You do realize UT Austin accepts about 50% of their in-staters right? Also, finish top 5% in your high school, regardless of strenghth of schedule or strenghth of high school and you are in.

Sounds like a darn good school. What’s your point?

lol nevermind.

Good. Go away lol

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Ivies are more affordable to our family (and a majority of American families) than our state flagship. Maybe don’t assume the financial profile of who you’re speaking to?

Bullshit. Ivies are dominated by the top 1%

The good thing is our statements aren’t mutually exclusive!

Maybe you don’t understand math

I..wow you’re really stubborn. The ivies would literally be tuition free for my child, so I do know how the finances work out. If you’re worried, I’ll send you over my bills and we can work out a budget plan together, but the ivies would be cheap for most American families- doesn’t mean most American families can get in.

I’m not concerned with statistical outliers

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Anonymous wrote:My SEC kid is having a blast with his undergrad experience. Great group of friends, gorgeous girlfriend, loving his classes.

I will say though, that he has decided to pursue finance and it’s starting to dawn on him that he is going to have to hustle much harder than his peers at Ivy “target schools” to break in. He may end up with a regional bank, but is confident that he will one day be where he wants to be by outworking everyone. I know he wonders about how his path might have been different being at an Ivy, but that was not an option.

I think ten years from now he will not regret where he went and will remember his times fondly.

He should transfer to GTech- great finance and quant placement.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Ivies are more affordable to our family (and a majority of American families) than our state flagship. Maybe don’t assume the financial profile of who you’re speaking to?

Bullshit. Ivies are dominated by the top 1%

The good thing is our statements aren’t mutually exclusive!

Maybe you don’t understand math

I..wow you’re really stubborn. The ivies would literally be tuition free for my child, so I do know how the finances work out. If you’re worried, I’ll send you over my bills and we can work out a budget plan together, but the ivies would be cheap for most American families- doesn’t mean most American families can get in.

I’m not concerned with statistical outliers

Outliers my ass. Princeton is tuition free for families up to $250,000/ year. That is a 90th percentile household income. So no, you are the one living in fantasy land.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Ivies are more affordable to our family (and a majority of American families) than our state flagship. Maybe don’t assume the financial profile of who you’re speaking to?

Bullshit. Ivies are dominated by the top 1%

The good thing is our statements aren’t mutually exclusive!

Maybe you don’t understand math

They understand it perfectly. If you can get in, an elite private can be very affordable. My elite private education was the same cost as my in state flagship would have been, because my family didn't have much money.

That doesn't mean that most of the students there weren't in the top 1%, just that those of us who weren't were paying very reasonable bills.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Ivies are more affordable to our family (and a majority of American families) than our state flagship. Maybe don’t assume the financial profile of who you’re speaking to?

Bullshit. Ivies are dominated by the top 1%

The good thing is our statements aren’t mutually exclusive!

Maybe you don’t understand math

I..wow you’re really stubborn. The ivies would literally be tuition free for my child, so I do know how the finances work out. If you’re worried, I’ll send you over my bills and we can work out a budget plan together, but the ivies would be cheap for most American families- doesn’t mean most American families can get in.

I’m not concerned with statistical outliers

You’re very disingenuous. It’s a fact that ivies are cheaper if you can get in unless you’re a statistical outlier and make amazing money.

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Anonymous wrote:SEC baddies will be so rich it will make the nerds blush

The nerds are literally the richest people on the planet…and they are the ones creating the AI that will eat the world.

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Anonymous wrote:My SEC kid is having a blast with his undergrad experience. Great group of friends, gorgeous girlfriend, loving his classes.

I will say though, that he has decided to pursue finance and it’s starting to dawn on him that he is going to have to hustle much harder than his peers at Ivy “target schools” to break in. He may end up with a regional bank, but is confident that he will one day be where he wants to be by outworking everyone. I know he wonders about how his path might have been different being at an Ivy, but that was not an option.

I think ten years from now he will not regret where he went and will remember his times fondly.

He should transfer to GTech- great finance and quant placement.

I don’t think that’s easy to do.

Also, the quants are the STEM kids so not any help to finance majors.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Alabama+at+Birmingham&with=Harvard+University

UAB isn’t Alabama. You people are so dumb lol you don’t even know your SEC schools and you keep citing stats for the worst ones. Too afraid to talk about UF and UGA huh?

Run UGA against various schools…75% select Penn, 76% select Princeton, 78% select Brown. Those were the only Ivy comparisons where they had enough data for UGA.

For UF, 67% pick Penn. Thats the only Ivy comparison with enough data.

Did you honestly think it would be different?

That isn’t a reliable tool and you know it. Plenty of kids prefer the SEC. You should get out more, really.

It’s the most reliable tool there is and what PP was trying to refute.

Most kids don’t apply to both and even fewer kids are accepted to both.

You are the one who shit posts constantly on this thread…so talk about getting out more.

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Facts don’t fit the narrative.

What’s the narrative?

That there are tons of kids turning down Ivy League schools for UGA or UF.

Where was that posted?

“Too afraid to talk about UF and UGA huh?”

Where was “tons of kids turning down IVY League schools for UGA and UF”posted?

Context of the thread. Duh.

Or maybe we all agree that the vast majority of kids are NOT turning down Ivy League schools for UGA and UF?

I’d say the kids going to UGA and UF don’t apply because they know the SEC is what they want. If they get honors they’re probably Ivy quality, just not what they wanted. This isn’t hard lol take some deep breaths

Great. So we all agree that the vast majority of kids are NOT turning down Ivy League schools for UGA and UF?

They don’t even apply to podunk ivies

They aren’t getting in. Sad.

They’re not applying to the Ivies because people in their social
Circles in the South didn’t attend Ivies or northeastern SLAC’s. They don’t care about those schools. It’s not considered a birthright or entitlement or badge of honor for a high stats kid to attend an Ivy.

High-stats kids covet high-ranked schools

Sure. Like top flagships and southern ivies. Stop trying to make fetch happen, southerners don’t govern a shit about your cone head college

Southern publics have to bribe students with 10s of thousands of dollars to begin considering. I’d understand if we were talking about UT Austin, but no one is crying about their chances of getting into Alabama or Ole Miss

You do realize UT Austin accepts about 50% of their in-staters right? Also, finish top 5% in your high school, regardless of strenghth of schedule or strenghth of high school and you are in.

Are we not talking about out of state admission? And also, the top 6% rule is only helpful if you’re interested in the College of Liberal Arts; for CS and Business and engineering there’s an equal split between top 6% and non top 6%

UT Austin OOS acceptance rate is 5%. Funny how the haters leave that out.

So what. It's because they accept about 50% of in-staters. The top 5% auto admission no matter your test scores or high school curriculum or strength of high school. School ends up admitting a lot of students that would not be very competitive if they looked out of state. It's their system.

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Anonymous wrote:My SEC kid is having a blast with his undergrad experience. Great group of friends, gorgeous girlfriend, loving his classes.

I will say though, that he has decided to pursue finance and it’s starting to dawn on him that he is going to have to hustle much harder than his peers at Ivy “target schools” to break in. He may end up with a regional bank, but is confident that he will one day be where he wants to be by outworking everyone. I know he wonders about how his path might have been different being at an Ivy, but that was not an option.

I think ten years from now he will not regret where he went and will remember his times fondly.

He should transfer to GTech- great finance and quant placement.

Not so sure I would say “great” but definitely not zero.
https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/georgia-tech-ib-rank

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Anonymous wrote:Something like 88% of top Atlanta private school kids attend college OOS, many at private NE schools.

It’s not because they aren’t accepted at UGA or Tech…it’s because they have $$$s and free tuition just isn’t a factor in their decision. It’s not like their private HS was cheap.

Incorrect.

Westminster School grads (largest, wealthiest private school in Atlanta also has the highest endowment of any private high school on the US lower 48 mainland): 76% attend non-Georgia colleges & universities. The out-of-state schools are overwhelmingly located in other Southern states. (Auburn, U Alabama, Wake Forest U., Wash & Lee, Vanderbilt, Duke, U Virginia, UNC, Tulane, Rhodes, Clemson, U Miami, etc.) U Georgia (94), Georgia Tech (66), and Emory (16). TCU (25), SMU, U Texas.

Among the Ivy League, Yale is the most popular with 13 students matriculating over a 5 year period. Next is Dartmouth College with 12, then Brown (11), then Harvard (8). Boston College is popular (10) as is BU (11), then Middlebury College (5). Georgetown (22). Stanford (20).

For class of 2024, 82% went OOS. It’s right there in the pie chart.

Largest cohort was 49% OOS private

Less than a 1/4 stayed in state

Guess what sweetie? The world doesn’t revolve around Atlanta private schools. Nobody gives a shit.

Exactly. Poster is ignoring the 57,000 plus applying OOS from a lot of private schools much better than those around Atlanta from all over the country and the 70% actually rejected throughout the State of Georgia. Such a weird argument or point they are trying to make..

Gatech isnt even the best school in Georgia, give it a rest.

lol why don't you go get ready for Thanksgiving Dinner.

It was delicious, just like going to the top ranked university on usnews in our state.

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Anonymous wrote:My SEC kid is having a blast with his undergrad experience. Great group of friends, gorgeous girlfriend, loving his classes.

I will say though, that he has decided to pursue finance and it’s starting to dawn on him that he is going to have to hustle much harder than his peers at Ivy “target schools” to break in. He may end up with a regional bank, but is confident that he will one day be where he wants to be by outworking everyone. I know he wonders about how his path might have been different being at an Ivy, but that was not an option.

I think ten years from now he will not regret where he went and will remember his times fondly.

He should transfer to GTech- great finance and quant placement.

Not so sure I would say “great” but definitely not zero.
https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/georgia-tech-ib-rank

Who cares. I’d rather my guy have a beautiful girlfriend than work at Goldman Sachs. The strivers can enjoy that all for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:My SEC kid is having a blast with his undergrad experience. Great group of friends, gorgeous girlfriend, loving his classes.

I will say though, that he has decided to pursue finance and it’s starting to dawn on him that he is going to have to hustle much harder than his peers at Ivy “target schools” to break in. He may end up with a regional bank, but is confident that he will one day be where he wants to be by outworking everyone. I know he wonders about how his path might have been different being at an Ivy, but that was not an option.

I think ten years from now he will not regret where he went and will remember his times fondly.

He should transfer to GTech- great finance and quant placement.

Not so sure I would say “great” but definitely not zero.
https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/georgia-tech-ib-rank

That's a garbage article. Data Source "Publicly linkedin profiles". lol I can tell you from personal experience...CS and Engineering kids from Georgia Tech are highly sought after for quant. A lot of them however aren't interested in it. Most stay in Engineering fields or direct CS fields.

https://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-quantitative-analysis?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

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Anonymous wrote:My SEC kid is having a blast with his undergrad experience. Great group of friends, gorgeous girlfriend, loving his classes.

I will say though, that he has decided to pursue finance and it’s starting to dawn on him that he is going to have to hustle much harder than his peers at Ivy “target schools” to break in. He may end up with a regional bank, but is confident that he will one day be where he wants to be by outworking everyone. I know he wonders about how his path might have been different being at an Ivy, but that was not an option.

I think ten years from now he will not regret where he went and will remember his times fondly.

He should transfer to GTech- great finance and quant placement.

Not so sure I would say “great” but definitely not zero.
https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/georgia-tech-ib-rank

That's a garbage article. Data Source "Publicly linkedin profiles". lol I can tell you from personal experience...CS and Engineering kids from Georgia Tech are highly sought after for quant. A lot of them however aren't interested in it. Most stay in Engineering fields or direct CS fields.

https://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-quantitative-analysis?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

That doesn’t mean the article is wrong with respect to IBanking placement which is completely different from quant.

None of this helps PP with a kid that is a finance major and has zero chance with quant.