Why did Kamala lose ?

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

Legal immigration pushes come from companies like Google and hurt a lot of US white collar workers, just very few people talk about it because nobody wants to cry for the poor unemployed computer science grad.

And 60+% college grads voted for Harris. Non college grads voted for Trump. So basically Trump got voted president by stupid people.

and this comment is the reason why democrats lost. contempt for the US working class. the stupid people

That's definitely not the reason. Democrats actually support policies that benefit the working class, while the GOP does not represent them at all, except through populist rhetoric. So it would be hard to argue they despise the working class, when that is who their policies benefit, while the GOP policies benefit primarily the wealthy.

Here is the problem: the Ds are convinced they are great for the working class but the working class does not see it that way, and the Ds think that is because the working class is stupid. Telling the working class you know better than they do what is good for them is the problem. Come down from the hill and talk to the working class about what they think they need, instead of preaching to them about what you think they need.

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It’s been proven many times economy does better under Ds

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because she is a moron with a Capital M who tried to steal the election with the help of the Democratic Party machine without going through the primary process. We will never hear from her or that dumpy Tim Walz again, thank God! Next question?!

And hopefully never from you! Next...

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Anonymous wrote:1. inauthentic and disingenuous in every respect
2. suggested price controls as a means to control inflation - to any thinking voter, that is disqualifying
3. she is/was the VP of a President with extremely low approval ratings
4. couldn't identify a single issue she would have handled differently than Biden
5. never articulated an original thought or idea during her entire political career
6. illegal immigration is a major threat the the country, and she is perceived to have encouraged it for political ends
7. her voting record as a senator was extreme left, comparable to Bernie Sanders, and the US is a right of center nation
8. she chose an awful VP, who is hard left, a pathological liar, and bumbling
9. passed on a very good VP option, who would have helped her carry PA, apparently due to anti-semitism
10. she knew about Biden's failing mental ability, but covered it up, and continues to do so today
11. her husband is a low life who had sex with the nanny, and slapped an ex girlfriend
12. she cannot talk intelligently about issues, and ducked questions to the point where it was both comical and infuriating
13. she lied about her past, like working at McDonalds, growing up "middle class," etc., which fed into her inauthenticity problem
14. former staff say that she is a mean, nasty, abusive human being
15. she supported radical causes in 2020, such as defunding the police and posted bail for rioters
16. overplayed the race and gender cards, patronizing and condescending to minorities
17. she became a candidate with no primary process, even after she tanked in the 2019 primaries without winning any votes
18. overplayed the name calling against Trump - racist, rapist, Nazi, etc. she laid it on so thick that nobody listened.
19. the lawfare strategy backfired - it created sympathy for Trump and resentment toward Dems for abusing power
20. she is a lightweight who doesn't work hard and can't/won't educate herself about foreign and domestic policy
20. I could go on, but you get the point

She was the worst Presidential candidate in history. Popular vote of 47% is extremely low in the 50/50 world in which we live, and every one of her voters were either Trump haters, or lifetime knee-jerk democrats. A random unknown person could have been put on the ballot and gotten 47% or more of the popular vote. I don't think that Harris "won" a single vote based on anything she brought to the table.

Your analysis is spot-on.

Furthermore, having to be excited for a candidate only because she is a woman and a minority is insulting to voters.

And her blanket support of Arab genocide. She's rotten.

The Democrats shrieked about racism and Islamophobia during Trump’s presidency and then actively supported a genocide! It’s like the Catholic Church and the child sex abuse scandal after decades of sanctimonious moralizing about sex. And to the extent the comparison is unfair it’s to the church, not the Democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

Misogyny! Racism!

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure any current democrat could have won.
If you look at really a cross country, cross demographic decrease to the democrats candidates support they were doomed.

Their platform is just not popular, period.

Way too liberal for (obviously) most voting Americans. Unless they get with country’s more middle road they will lose in 2028 too. Does not matter who runs if they stick with same platform.

Have you even READ the platform? I am guessing you haven't. Most people who say they are too liberal base that on GOP talking points without even realizing that democrats haven't actually said any of that stuff. Go on the website and read the actual platform before you spout ignorance.

Yeah, Obama in 2014 made gender identity a protected class and Biden used title IX to let boys play in girls sports.

That is not very popular. Protected class no big deal, but applying it to sports and locker rooms is a bridge too far.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

Democrat here. This was it for me. She’s not authentic at all, she didn’t stand for anything. Her entire campaign was a script, same answers for everything. And would get super nervous when she got any pushback from an interview. I can’t explain it, but she didn’t feel like a real person or someone I could relate with.

At least I could relate to grandpa Joe and him being a nice decent family man, who’s kids had issues, like your average American family.

Kamala’s entire existence just felt too…phony. It also didn’t help her bragging about aligning with the Cheney’s, of all people. What were they thinking?!

As if Trump is "authentic?" The guy has been a con man and a grifter his whole life.

I wish the post and your response could be pinned.

The problem is actually your response. If someone says they want a better candidate with better policies, your instinct to scream back that the other party (that PP is not a member of) is worse (when PP did not make a Trump-supportive comment).

Do you truly not see the problem with this kind of pattern of deflection? It’s very representative of how we pretend we maintain the big tent as Democratic voters.

The biggest problem Dems have are not the candidates but their inability to listen. So many would be Democrats left the party after they spent four years being called Russian trolls whenever they brought up concerns or voiced that they thought Biden was not senile or well. Dems claimed he was “sharp as a tack”, and all the video clips were “fake Russian news/deep fakes”.

I've never been listened to by any Republican on DCUM and I've been posting here for almost 10 years. Never.

You usually just ignore me and repost the same dumb shit that I just spent time debunking with citations or pointing out the logical fallacy or whatever other flaw.

Don't say "Dems don't listen" without realizing that you don't listen.

Were you called Vlad or stupid? I bet not.

The condescension and vicious rancor is often from the left. The sitting president said Trump should be put in the bullseye hours before he was shot. He said he wanted to take Trump behind the gym and beat him up, he called Trump supporters garbage, Hillary called half the country baskets of deplorables. Let’s not forget Democrats call the Midwest flyover states. Republicans call it Americas heartland.

Words matter and the people hate Dems because they know they hate or look down on them. If you don’t like your countrymen or think they’re stupid or beyond repair, why do you want their votes? Democrats lack emotional maturity

The last sentence is true. It’s like dealing with an abusive partner who consistently gaslights you and when you being up how you feel they call you names and say you’re stupid.


When you are the party that aligns yourself with the Cheney’s, say baseless rhetoric that drives your followers to try to kill the opposing party’s candidate, call the other side Nazis and then complain they won’t vote for you after you’ve decided to trash white/black men for four years and then lecture them for not voting for you…then you act shocked you lost? Yeah that shows very low intelligence

The guy who shot Trump was a republican. Maybe it’s Trump’s himself who cause the attempt. You’re falling for Trump’s stupid defense. He’s a rapist and convicted felon and you still voted for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

And t to imp is a genuine Hitler wanna be smd evangelical right wingers are red neck women haters

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Anonymous wrote:1. inauthentic and disingenuous in every respect
2. suggested price controls as a means to control inflation - to any thinking voter, that is disqualifying
3. she is/was the VP of a President with extremely low approval ratings
4. couldn't identify a single issue she would have handled differently than Biden
5. never articulated an original thought or idea during her entire political career
6. illegal immigration is a major threat the the country, and she is perceived to have encouraged it for political ends
7. her voting record as a senator was extreme left, comparable to Bernie Sanders, and the US is a right of center nation
8. she chose an awful VP, who is hard left, a pathological liar, and bumbling
9. passed on a very good VP option, who would have helped her carry PA, apparently due to anti-semitism
10. she knew about Biden's failing mental ability, but covered it up, and continues to do so today
11. her husband is a low life who had sex with the nanny, and slapped an ex girlfriend
12. she cannot talk intelligently about issues, and ducked questions to the point where it was both comical and infuriating
13. she lied about her past, like working at McDonalds, growing up "middle class," etc., which fed into her inauthenticity problem
14. former staff say that she is a mean, nasty, abusive human being
15. she supported radical causes in 2020, such as defunding the police and posted bail for rioters
16. overplayed the race and gender cards, patronizing and condescending to minorities
17. she became a candidate with no primary process, even after she tanked in the 2019 primaries without winning any votes
18. overplayed the name calling against Trump - racist, rapist, Nazi, etc. she laid it on so thick that nobody listened.
19. the lawfare strategy backfired - it created sympathy for Trump and resentment toward Dems for abusing power
20. she is a lightweight who doesn't work hard and can't/won't educate herself about foreign and domestic policy
20. I could go on, but you get the point

She was the worst Presidential candidate in history. Popular vote of 47% is extremely low in the 50/50 world in which we live, and every one of her voters were either Trump haters, or lifetime knee-jerk democrats. A random unknown person could have been put on the ballot and gotten 47% or more of the popular vote. I don't think that Harris "won" a single vote based on anything she brought to the table.

All of these things apply to Trump as well. How do you explain that away?

Did you read the list? Trump has an infinite number of flaws but only #12 - #14 on this particular list would potentially apply to him.

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Because number one goal for Americans is to make sure their neighbour doesn’t get an extra dollar over them. You know, the Christian values.

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Anonymous wrote:1. inauthentic and disingenuous in every respect
2. suggested price controls as a means to control inflation - to any thinking voter, that is disqualifying
3. she is/was the VP of a President with extremely low approval ratings
4. couldn't identify a single issue she would have handled differently than Biden
5. never articulated an original thought or idea during her entire political career
6. illegal immigration is a major threat the the country, and she is perceived to have encouraged it for political ends
7. her voting record as a senator was extreme left, comparable to Bernie Sanders, and the US is a right of center nation
8. she chose an awful VP, who is hard left, a pathological liar, and bumbling
9. passed on a very good VP option, who would have helped her carry PA, apparently due to anti-semitism
10. she knew about Biden's failing mental ability, but covered it up, and continues to do so today
11. her husband is a low life who had sex with the nanny, and slapped an ex girlfriend
12. she cannot talk intelligently about issues, and ducked questions to the point where it was both comical and infuriating
13. she lied about her past, like working at McDonalds, growing up "middle class," etc., which fed into her inauthenticity problem
14. former staff say that she is a mean, nasty, abusive human being
15. she supported radical causes in 2020, such as defunding the police and posted bail for rioters
16. overplayed the race and gender cards, patronizing and condescending to minorities
17. she became a candidate with no primary process, even after she tanked in the 2019 primaries without winning any votes
18. overplayed the name calling against Trump - racist, rapist, Nazi, etc. she laid it on so thick that nobody listened.
19. the lawfare strategy backfired - it created sympathy for Trump and resentment toward Dems for abusing power
20. she is a lightweight who doesn't work hard and can't/won't educate herself about foreign and domestic policy
20. I could go on, but you get the point

She was the worst Presidential candidate in history. Popular vote of 47% is extremely low in the 50/50 world in which we live, and every one of her voters were either Trump haters, or lifetime knee-jerk democrats. A random unknown person could have been put on the ballot and gotten 47% or more of the popular vote. I don't think that Harris "won" a single vote based on anything she brought to the table.

All of these things apply to Trump as well. How do you explain that away?

Yes please explain why Trump gets a pass on all his vulgarities.

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Poor/awkward public presence and no strong message communicated to the public. Unfortunately she’s just not a gifted speaker and doesn’t do well in the political theatre; something we’ve known since the 2020 primary. She ran on a platform of protecting abortion and not being Trump, but there was no clear message of what her administration would bring to the table, so she was hitched to the unpopular Biden wagon. Obama had “Hope”, Trump has MAGA, but Kamala just couldn’t market herself well to a disgruntled public for a myriad of reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

1. Immigration also keeps cost of groceries, construction and many other things down. And as for "keeping wages down" the jobs immigrants take are brutal, dirty jobs that Americans don't want in the first place. Doesn't it occur to you that those costs will go up and hurt people, yet the elites and big companies won't care either way?
2. Don't you think Trump's proposed tariffs won't significantly increase inflation?
3. How exactly do you think Trump is going to deal with "DEI nonsense at large corporations?" Is he going to pass laws telling private businesses what they can and can't do? I thought Republicans were opposed to that kind of regulation.
4. Agree that we should be cultivating and developing home-grown talent for STEM and other fields but honestly we aren't keeping up yet we can steal the best and brightest that China and India have
5. Trump is senile and has dementia and has had nothing to offer but the same grievances and whining he's had since 2016, how's he any better?

Explain where I'm wrong.

for #1 - If your business can't pay a livable wage, then your business is a failure. That's how capitalism works. If you base your business on workers who aren't making a living wage because as illegal immigrants, they have no rights or are afraid to assert them, that's a bad business plan.

also morally wrong.

when did it become ethical to fire our own children and replace them with cheaper foreign labor, so companies can be richer.

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Anonymous wrote:1. inauthentic and disingenuous in every respect
2. suggested price controls as a means to control inflation - to any thinking voter, that is disqualifying
3. she is/was the VP of a President with extremely low approval ratings
4. couldn't identify a single issue she would have handled differently than Biden
5. never articulated an original thought or idea during her entire political career
6. illegal immigration is a major threat the the country, and she is perceived to have encouraged it for political ends
7. her voting record as a senator was extreme left, comparable to Bernie Sanders, and the US is a right of center nation
8. she chose an awful VP, who is hard left, a pathological liar, and bumbling
9. passed on a very good VP option, who would have helped her carry PA, apparently due to anti-semitism
10. she knew about Biden's failing mental ability, but covered it up, and continues to do so today
11. her husband is a low life who had sex with the nanny, and slapped an ex girlfriend
12. she cannot talk intelligently about issues, and ducked questions to the point where it was both comical and infuriating
13. she lied about her past, like working at McDonalds, growing up "middle class," etc., which fed into her inauthenticity problem
14. former staff say that she is a mean, nasty, abusive human being
15. she supported radical causes in 2020, such as defunding the police and posted bail for rioters
16. overplayed the race and gender cards, patronizing and condescending to minorities
17. she became a candidate with no primary process, even after she tanked in the 2019 primaries without winning any votes
18. overplayed the name calling against Trump - racist, rapist, Nazi, etc. she laid it on so thick that nobody listened.
19. the lawfare strategy backfired - it created sympathy for Trump and resentment toward Dems for abusing power
20. she is a lightweight who doesn't work hard and can't/won't educate herself about foreign and domestic policy
20. I could go on, but you get the point

This list has been shared by many PPs. Whether I agree with it or not, how many of these points apply on both sides?

I do hope the Dems find some good takeaways but not sure these are all items voters evaluate effectively so not sure the answers lie here. Dems getting stronger and smarter is better for the country whether you support them or not so I hope they get there, just as I hope the new administration solves all the problem they claim to be able to solve because that would also be good for the country.

Would love to see hate and hysteria find its way out of politics. Or rather I suppose would love to see US politics find its way out of hate and hysteria to balanced effectiveness.

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Anonymous wrote:Because number one goal for Americans is to make sure their neighbour doesn’t get an extra dollar over them. You know, the Christian values.

Actually it wasn't this so much as thinking asylum seekers in NY and LA are being handed billions in tax dollars while regular citizens are given nothing. If it was about their "neighbors" then Latino and black males wouldn't have trended more towards Trump. Trump's GOP actually created a bigger tent than the Harris campaign because the Democrats have gotten stuck with some very unpopular fringe issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have lost the working class voter. First the white working class and now the latino and black working class is falling to tje right wing. This has been going on for a long time now so the work to repair this will be difficult. Democrats need to prioritize economic issues over identity politics. I hope that the leadership can grasp this.

It’s because DEI is actually virulently anti-working class, and voters know that.