Why did Kamala lose ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are any Democrats claiming that the election was rigged or stolen, as Republicans surely would be if Trump had lost?

I am. Character matters. The number of people voting against common decency and generally good character is far too high to be believable. When the Russians are calling in bomb threats to polling places to advert voting.... nothing is off the table. Trump got help.

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Anonymous wrote:1. inauthentic and disingenuous in every respect
2. suggested price controls as a means to control inflation - to any thinking voter, that is disqualifying
3. she is/was the VP of a President with extremely low approval ratings
4. couldn't identify a single issue she would have handled differently than Biden
5. never articulated an original thought or idea during her entire political career
6. illegal immigration is a major threat the the country, and she is perceived to have encouraged it for political ends
7. her voting record as a senator was extreme left, comparable to Bernie Sanders, and the US is a right of center nation
8. she chose an awful VP, who is hard left, a pathological liar, and bumbling
9. passed on a very good VP option, who would have helped her carry PA, apparently due to anti-semitism
10. she knew about Biden's failing mental ability, but covered it up, and continues to do so today
11. her husband is a low life who had sex with the nanny, and slapped an ex girlfriend
12. she cannot talk intelligently about issues, and ducked questions to the point where it was both comical and infuriating
13. she lied about her past, like working at McDonalds, growing up "middle class," etc., which fed into her inauthenticity problem
14. former staff say that she is a mean, nasty, abusive human being
15. she supported radical causes in 2020, such as defunding the police and posted bail for rioters
16. overplayed the race and gender cards, patronizing and condescending to minorities
17. she became a candidate with no primary process, even after she tanked in the 2019 primaries without winning any votes
18. overplayed the name calling against Trump - racist, rapist, Nazi, etc. she laid it on so thick that nobody listened.
19. the lawfare strategy backfired - it created sympathy for Trump and resentment toward Dems for abusing power
20. she is a lightweight who doesn't work hard and can't/won't educate herself about foreign and domestic policy
20. I could go on, but you get the point

She was the worst Presidential candidate in history. Popular vote of 47% is extremely low in the 50/50 world in which we live, and every one of her voters were either Trump haters, or lifetime knee-jerk democrats. A random unknown person could have been put on the ballot and gotten 47% or more of the popular vote. I don't think that Harris "won" a single vote based on anything she brought to the table.

Your analysis is spot-on.

Furthermore, having to be excited for a candidate only because she is a woman and a minority is insulting to voters.

And her blanket support of Arab genocide. She's rotten.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure any current democrat could have won.
If you look at really a cross country, cross demographic decrease to the democrats candidates support they were doomed.

Their platform is just not popular, period.

Way too liberal for (obviously) most voting Americans. Unless they get with country’s more middle road they will lose in 2028 too. Does not matter who runs if they stick with same platform.

Have you even READ the platform? I am guessing you haven't. Most people who say they are too liberal base that on GOP talking points without even realizing that democrats haven't actually said any of that stuff. Go on the website and read the actual platform before you spout ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

Legal immigration pushes come from companies like Google and hurt a lot of US white collar workers, just very few people talk about it because nobody wants to cry for the poor unemployed computer science grad.

And 60+% college grads voted for Harris. Non college grads voted for Trump. So basically Trump got voted president by stupid people.

and this comment is the reason why democrats lost. contempt for the US working class. the stupid people

That's definitely not the reason. Democrats actually support policies that benefit the working class, while the GOP does not represent them at all, except through populist rhetoric. So it would be hard to argue they despise the working class, when that is who their policies benefit, while the GOP policies benefit primarily the wealthy.

I agree. They voted against themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

Legal immigration pushes come from companies like Google and hurt a lot of US white collar workers, just very few people talk about it because nobody wants to cry for the poor unemployed computer science grad.

And 60+% college grads voted for Harris. Non college grads voted for Trump. So basically Trump got voted president by stupid people.

and this comment is the reason why democrats lost. contempt for the US working class. the stupid people

That's definitely not the reason. Democrats actually support policies that benefit the working class, while the GOP does not represent them at all, except through populist rhetoric. So it would be hard to argue they despise the working class, when that is who their policies benefit, while the GOP policies benefit primarily the wealthy.

Here is the problem: the Ds are convinced they are great for the working class but the working class does not see it that way, and the Ds think that is because the working class is stupid. Telling the working class you know better than they do what is good for them is the problem. Come down from the hill and talk to the working class about what they think they need, instead of preaching to them about what you think they need.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

Legal immigration pushes come from companies like Google and hurt a lot of US white collar workers, just very few people talk about it because nobody wants to cry for the poor unemployed computer science grad.

And 60+% college grads voted for Harris. Non college grads voted for Trump. So basically Trump got voted president by stupid people.

and this comment is the reason why democrats lost. contempt for the US working class. the stupid people

That's definitely not the reason. Democrats actually support policies that benefit the working class, while the GOP does not represent them at all, except through populist rhetoric. So it would be hard to argue they despise the working class, when that is who their policies benefit, while the GOP policies benefit primarily the wealthy.

lol! Kamala was the candidate of The Hamptons and Jamie Dimon! The Democrats have ample room to pursue working-class supporting policies, but they ignore that!

Did Kamala stick her neck out for Lina Khan? No, she coddled the subjects of Khan’s investigations!

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

Legal immigration pushes come from companies like Google and hurt a lot of US white collar workers, just very few people talk about it because nobody wants to cry for the poor unemployed computer science grad.

And 60+% college grads voted for Harris. Non college grads voted for Trump. So basically Trump got voted president by stupid people.

and this comment is the reason why democrats lost. contempt for the US working class. the stupid people

That's definitely not the reason. Democrats actually support policies that benefit the working class, while the GOP does not represent them at all, except through populist rhetoric. So it would be hard to argue they despise the working class, when that is who their policies benefit, while the GOP policies benefit primarily the wealthy.

Here is the problem: the Ds are convinced they are great for the working class but the working class does not see it that way, and the Ds think that is because the working class is stupid. Telling the working class you know better than they do what is good for them is the problem. Come down from the hill and talk to the working class about what they think they need, instead of preaching to them about what you think they need.

Yup, the Democratic leadership class and its loyal minions refuse to engage. It’s such obvious crap!

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Anonymous wrote:Are any Democrats claiming that the election was rigged or stolen, as Republicans surely would be if Trump had lost?

I am. Character matters. The number of people voting against common decency and generally good character is far too high to be believable. When the Russians are calling in bomb threats to polling places to advert voting.... nothing is off the table. Trump got help.

Were you alive in 2016?

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Anonymous wrote:Depressed about result but at least this time I'm not surprised, these are some of the issues the independent people I know have said that are pulling them away from Democrats.

-lenient with illegal immigration
-tremendous impopularity of refugee cities whose budgets have been impacted by dealing with flood of migrants
-emphasis on wokeness, trans issues, DEI (all things that I care about but average person does not)
-perception that Trump will bring more blue collar jobs back home
-tremendous impopularity of Biden
-handling of Israel/Gaza war

+1. And Biden calling people “garbage” a week before the election didn’t help either (though I thought her response and distance to his comments was good).

Trump was calling Puerto Ricans garbage a week before the election, called for the suppression of the free press, and for Liz Cheneys execution all in the past week. Not sure why Dems are judged on a double standard. The question isn’t why Kamala lost - it’s why did trump win despite all of his disqualifying factors including counted felonies, staging a coup, being twice impeached for quid pro quo and trying to obstruct democracy, his general vileness and all the other corruption of his first term.

And I honestly have no idea. I am completely puzzled. Trump is a disaster of a candidate. My best guess is that voters just didn’t “like” Kamala for the same reasons they didn’t “like” Hillary- deeply rooted misogyny. The war in Gaza also likely fractured democratic support, not unlike Bernie bros in 2016.

1 million times this. How does an educated person ignored ALL of this and think he will do a "great job" at running our country while he also tanked his businesses 7 times.

She was annihilated in the popular vote. She was. It is the exact opposite of what I personally predicted. HRC -won- the popular vote despite being a target of right-wing media for 25 years before the 2016 election.

There ARE questions and things to learn about WHY KH lost.

AZ and Nevada still haven’t reported.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

Legal immigration pushes come from companies like Google and hurt a lot of US white collar workers, just very few people talk about it because nobody wants to cry for the poor unemployed computer science grad.

And 60+% college grads voted for Harris. Non college grads voted for Trump. So basically Trump got voted president by stupid people.

and this comment is the reason why democrats lost. contempt for the US working class. the stupid people

That's definitely not the reason. Democrats actually support policies that benefit the working class, while the GOP does not represent them at all, except through populist rhetoric. So it would be hard to argue they despise the working class, when that is who their policies benefit, while the GOP policies benefit primarily the wealthy.

Here is the problem: the Ds are convinced they are great for the working class but the working class does not see it that way, and the Ds think that is because the working class is stupid. Telling the working class you know better than they do what is good for them is the problem. Come down from the hill and talk to the working class about what they think they need, instead of preaching to them about what you think they need.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I give up. From now on anything that goes wrong in this country is the fault of the people who let Trump win. EVERYTHING.

Scorched earth. You get the blame for everything. Don't even dare try to dodge or deflect or change the subject.

And also credit for everything that goes right? Your terms are acceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:1. inauthentic and disingenuous in every respect
2. suggested price controls as a means to control inflation - to any thinking voter, that is disqualifying
3. she is/was the VP of a President with extremely low approval ratings
4. couldn't identify a single issue she would have handled differently than Biden
5. never articulated an original thought or idea during her entire political career
6. illegal immigration is a major threat the the country, and she is perceived to have encouraged it for political ends
7. her voting record as a senator was extreme left, comparable to Bernie Sanders, and the US is a right of center nation
8. she chose an awful VP, who is hard left, a pathological liar, and bumbling
9. passed on a very good VP option, who would have helped her carry PA, apparently due to anti-semitism
10. she knew about Biden's failing mental ability, but covered it up, and continues to do so today
11. her husband is a low life who had sex with the nanny, and slapped an ex girlfriend
12. she cannot talk intelligently about issues, and ducked questions to the point where it was both comical and infuriating
13. she lied about her past, like working at McDonalds, growing up "middle class," etc., which fed into her inauthenticity problem
14. former staff say that she is a mean, nasty, abusive human being
15. she supported radical causes in 2020, such as defunding the police and posted bail for rioters
16. overplayed the race and gender cards, patronizing and condescending to minorities
17. she became a candidate with no primary process, even after she tanked in the 2019 primaries without winning any votes
18. overplayed the name calling against Trump - racist, rapist, Nazi, etc. she laid it on so thick that nobody listened.
19. the lawfare strategy backfired - it created sympathy for Trump and resentment toward Dems for abusing power
20. she is a lightweight who doesn't work hard and can't/won't educate herself about foreign and domestic policy
20. I could go on, but you get the point

She was the worst Presidential candidate in history. Popular vote of 47% is extremely low in the 50/50 world in which we live, and every one of her voters were either Trump haters, or lifetime knee-jerk democrats. A random unknown person could have been put on the ballot and gotten 47% or more of the popular vote. I don't think that Harris "won" a single vote based on anything she brought to the table.

All of these things apply to Trump as well. How do you explain that away?

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Anonymous wrote:Depressed about result but at least this time I'm not surprised, these are some of the issues the independent people I know have said that are pulling them away from Democrats.

-lenient with illegal immigration
-tremendous impopularity of refugee cities whose budgets have been impacted by dealing with flood of migrants
-emphasis on wokeness, trans issues, DEI (all things that I care about but average person does not)
-perception that Trump will bring more blue collar jobs back home
-tremendous impopularity of Biden
-handling of Israel/Gaza war

+1. And Biden calling people “garbage” a week before the election didn’t help either (though I thought her response and distance to his comments was good).

Trump was calling Puerto Ricans garbage a week before the election, called for the suppression of the free press, and for Liz Cheneys execution all in the past week. Not sure why Dems are judged on a double standard. The question isn’t why Kamala lost - it’s why did trump win despite all of his disqualifying factors including counted felonies, staging a coup, being twice impeached for quid pro quo and trying to obstruct democracy, his general vileness and all the other corruption of his first term.

And I honestly have no idea. I am completely puzzled. Trump is a disaster of a candidate. My best guess is that voters just didn’t “like” Kamala for the same reasons they didn’t “like” Hillary- deeply rooted misogyny. The war in Gaza also likely fractured democratic support, not unlike Bernie bros in 2016.

1 million times this. How does an educated person ignored ALL of this and think he will do a "great job" at running our country while he also tanked his businesses 7 times.

She was annihilated in the popular vote. She was. It is the exact opposite of what I personally predicted. HRC -won- the popular vote despite being a target of right-wing media for 25 years before the 2016 election.

There ARE questions and things to learn about WHY KH lost.

AZ and Nevada still haven’t reported.

AP is recounting their ballots. It says so on their website.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

Democrat here. This was it for me. She’s not authentic at all, she didn’t stand for anything. Her entire campaign was a script, same answers for everything. And would get super nervous when she got any pushback from an interview. I can’t explain it, but she didn’t feel like a real person or someone I could relate with.

At least I could relate to grandpa Joe and him being a nice decent family man, who’s kids had issues, like your average American family.

Kamala’s entire existence just felt too…phony. It also didn’t help her bragging about aligning with the Cheney’s, of all people. What were they thinking?!

As if Trump is "authentic?" The guy has been a con man and a grifter his whole life.

I wish the post and your response could be pinned.

The problem is actually your response. If someone says they want a better candidate with better policies, your instinct to scream back that the other party (that PP is not a member of) is worse (when PP did not make a Trump-supportive comment).

Do you truly not see the problem with this kind of pattern of deflection? It’s very representative of how we pretend we maintain the big tent as Democratic voters.

You wanting a better candidate with better policies does not justify letting the worse candidate and worse policies win.

Also, it seems you want to reinforce the idea that any criticism that applies to Democrats does not apply to Republicans and they automatically get a pass no matter what.

You’re rephrasing the same non-argument - it will never work. It won’t pull a single vote. It’s a rotten strategy. If I am a lifelong born and raised Democratic voter, which I am, the circus of the GOP is not my concern. It’s not my universe. I’m not giving anyone a “pass” - and the accusation that I am is a lie. It is amazing to me that you cling to this. There’s nothing anyone can say obviously.

Explain to us like we're five how exactly it's a non-argument to say that you let worse candidate from party B win because you didn't find the candidate from party A to be perfect.

This is like the Muslims in Dearborn voting outright for Trump because of Gaza - despite the fact that Trump has said he would give Netanyahu the green light to do whatever he wants. How is that a win for Gaza, or Dearborn Muslims? What exactly did you accomplish? Oh, maybe in 4 years you might have a marginally better candidate (at the cost of more Gazans getting killed) - and that candidate might still lose anyhow? Great job. Brilliant.

See - this is it, isn’t it? It has to be personal and insulting and if I say who I voted for and where I live and my ethnicity (recently mocked at the Nazi rally, hint hint) I’m a liar, right? But I’m not. I supported her and you’re not getting my point.

A perfect storm created this situation on our side. I was less of an MSNBC head after 2022, and I did not have the suspicion that Biden might have been in the state that he appeared to be in during his debate (yes, he was also sick, and he rebounded after.) I had no prediction about how July of the election year would lead to a registered Republican trying to kill Trump, that Pelosi and Clyburn would use their deep political skills to push him to leave and have KH in because the calendar was very tight for a primary process. Even now, I am not sure how this could have been saved, and unlike many I thought her campaign was professional and well run.

See, I’m not Carville or a former Obama staffer. I don’t see internal polling, or new registration numbers. I did think a lot of the rhetoric here about how people scared about food prices were too motherf——-ng stupid to thank Biden saving the economy was incredibly misguided in terms of the emotion that invoked in anyone worried about belt-tightening, which does not include me, because I am lucky. Do you start to get it? The approaches and messaging matter as internal propositions; when a party makes it seemingly impossible to have mild dissent within about the economy or the war, you have to tackle that to GOTV. You have to fix your own shit to get your own people out there! Do you not see that telling people WHO VOTED FOR AND SUPPORTED HARRIS that they are part of a not actually extant problem because they “let Trump win” WHEN THEY DID NOT is completely unpersuasive?

I don’t understand the perspective you represent at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

Democrat here. This was it for me. She’s not authentic at all, she didn’t stand for anything. Her entire campaign was a script, same answers for everything. And would get super nervous when she got any pushback from an interview. I can’t explain it, but she didn’t feel like a real person or someone I could relate with.

At least I could relate to grandpa Joe and him being a nice decent family man, who’s kids had issues, like your average American family.

Kamala’s entire existence just felt too…phony. It also didn’t help her bragging about aligning with the Cheney’s, of all people. What were they thinking?!

As if Trump is "authentic?" The guy has been a con man and a grifter his whole life.

I wish the post and your response could be pinned.

The problem is actually your response. If someone says they want a better candidate with better policies, your instinct to scream back that the other party (that PP is not a member of) is worse (when PP did not make a Trump-supportive comment).

Do you truly not see the problem with this kind of pattern of deflection? It’s very representative of how we pretend we maintain the big tent as Democratic voters.

The biggest problem Dems have are not the candidates but their inability to listen. So many would be Democrats left the party after they spent four years being called Russian trolls whenever they brought up concerns or voiced that they thought Biden was not senile or well. Dems claimed he was “sharp as a tack”, and all the video clips were “fake Russian news/deep fakes”.

I've never been listened to by any Republican on DCUM and I've been posting here for almost 10 years. Never.

You usually just ignore me and repost the same dumb shit that I just spent time debunking with citations or pointing out the logical fallacy or whatever other flaw.

Don't say "Dems don't listen" without realizing that you don't listen.

Were you called Vlad or stupid? I bet not.

The condescension and vicious rancor is often from the left. The sitting president said Trump should be put in the bullseye hours before he was shot. He said he wanted to take Trump behind the gym and beat him up, he called Trump supporters garbage, Hillary called half the country baskets of deplorables. Let’s not forget Democrats call the Midwest flyover states. Republicans call it Americas heartland.

Words matter and the people hate Dems because they know they hate or look down on them. If you don’t like your countrymen or think they’re stupid or beyond repair, why do you want their votes? Democrats lack emotional maturity

The last sentence is true. It’s like dealing with an abusive partner who consistently gaslights you and when you being up how you feel they call you names and say you’re stupid.


When you are the party that aligns yourself with the Cheney’s, say baseless rhetoric that drives your followers to try to kill the opposing party’s candidate, call the other side Nazis and then complain they won’t vote for you after you’ve decided to trash white/black men for four years and then lecture them for not voting for you…then you act shocked you lost? Yeah that shows very low intelligence