US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

Anonymous
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Too many applicants were taking advantage of affirmative action, eg., claiming to be 1/8 Hispanic despite being from a wealthy white family (just bc a great-grandmother came from Spain).

Historically, College Board's National Hispanic Recognition Program required 1/4, or one grandparent, from a list of various countries. As far as I am aware, it still does.

Couldn't an applicant who got the NHRP award include it in the award section of the app? Colleges could ignore it, I suppose, but will they?


I think it’s unlikely the college board will retain a box for race/ethnicity.

The College Board Recognition Program awards for high school class of 2024 are already underway. College Board would have to nix the program.
Anonymous
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Anonymous
We need our spaces for BIPOC. This is first class racism from KKK Trump.
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Anonymous wrote:I mean, who cares if you can’t go to Harvard, or Yale or whatever? It’s just another label. Lots of people going to these schools who probably don’t deserve to be there. If you even remotely quality to go to Harvard, I think you’ll be just fine wherever you end up.


Harvard literally admits black folk with SAT scores lower than the typical student at UMBC


And Harvard literally admits many white ALDC students with SAT scores less than the top students at UMBC.

But that type of discrimination and preference-effect is okay.......yeah, right.


Care to share your data on this? Here is Harvard’s data about SAT scores:

A Crimson analysis of the previously confidential dataset — which spans admissions cycles starting with the Class of 2000 and ends with the cycle for the Class of 2017 — revealed that Asian-Americans admitted to Harvard earned an average SAT score of 767 across all sections. Every section of the SAT has a maximum score of 800.

By comparison, white admits earned an average score of 745 across all sections, Hispanic-American admits earned an average of 718, Native-American and Native-Hawaiian admits an average of 712, and African-American admits an average of 704.


Surely, you could have simply checked and compared the CDS of Harvard and UMBC.

Harvard admitted and enrolled students with SAT Reading/Writing scores in the 500-599 range. Nearly 85% of UMBC students had SAT Reading/Writing scores of 600 or above.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.


There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?


Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.


What?

Jews are way way way more obsessed.

you do know Jewish overrepresenatjon rate in t10 schools is way higher than Asians.

And in the 80s and 90s schools like Penn had literally 20x over representation.

40% of Penn was Jewish at one point!

With a 2% population in the country.

Agree it’s both though, many of the Jewish students are legacy admits, esp at Penn, Wash U, etc.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.


There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?


Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.


What?

Jews are way way way more obsessed.

you do know Jewish overrepresenatjon rate in t10 schools is way higher than Asians.

And in the 80s and 90s schools like Penn had literally 20x over representation.

40% of Penn was Jewish at one point!

With a 2% population in the country.

Agree it’s both though, many of the Jewish students are legacy admits, esp at Penn, Wash U, etc.


Asians at least trying to get in via fair competition

Look how far rich Whites go
https://www.insider.com/college-admissions-scandal-full-list-people-sentenced-2019-9#parent-homayoun-zadeh-was-sentenced-to-6-weeks-in-prison-33
Anonymous

Asian chickens will come home to roost.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action is just another form of discrimination. And yes, Asians were definitely discriminated if you know anything about the true history of these great United States.


How were Irish immigrants treated in the late 1800s?
Most stayed in slum tenements near the ports where they arrived and lived in basements and attics with no water, sanitation, or daylight. Many children took to begging, and men often spent what little money they had on alcohol. The Irish immigrants were not well-liked and often treated badly. Employers had signs that read: Irish need not apply.

The Irish refugees seeking haven in America were poor and disease-ridden. They threatened to take jobs away from Americans and strain welfare budgets. They practiced an alien religion and pledged allegiance to a foreign leader. They were bringing with them crime. They were accused of being rapists.

Herded like livestock in dark, cramped quarters, the Irish passengers lacked sufficient food and clean water. They choked on fetid air. They were showered by excrement and vomit. Each adult was apportioned just 18 inches of bed space—children half that. Disease and death clung to the rancid vessels like barnacles, and nearly a quarter of the 85,000 passengers who sailed to North America aboard the aptly nicknamed “coffin ships” in 1847 never reached their destinations. Their bodies were wrapped in cloths, weighed down with stones and tossed overboard to sleep forever on the bed of the ocean floor.

Although most certainly tired and poor, the Irish did not arrive in America yearning to breathe free; they merely hungered to eat. Largely destitute, many exiles could progress no farther than within walking distance of the city docks where they disembarked. While some had spent all of their meager savings to pay for passage across the Atlantic, others had their voyages funded by British landlords who found it a cheaper solution to dispatch their tenants to another continent, rather than pay for their charity at home.

And in the opinion of many Americans, those British landlords were not sending their best people. These people were not like the industrious, Protestant Scotch-Irish immigrants who came to America in large numbers during the colonial era, fought in the Continental Army and tamed the frontier. These people were not only poor, unskilled refugees huddled in rickety tenements. Even worse, they were Catholic.
Anonymous
Finally, some common sense. This will not solve everything, but at least it’s a step in the right direction.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:What if the top colleges accepted kids who were NOT tutored instead of kids who were tutored?

THAT would be interesting!

I support this.
DUMBEST idea ever. So you want underprepared students to run our country some day? Do you want them to design our buildings and infrastructure? My DC benefitted greatly from prep outside of public school. Public school preparation is a joke!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.


There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?


Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.


What?

Jews are way way way more obsessed.

you do know Jewish overrepresenatjon rate in t10 schools is way higher than Asians.

And in the 80s and 90s schools like Penn had literally 20x over representation.

40% of Penn was Jewish at one point!

With a 2% population in the country.

Agree it’s both though, many of the Jewish students are legacy admits, esp at Penn, Wash U, etc.


Asians at least trying to get in via fair competition

Look how far rich Whites go
https://www.insider.com/college-admissions-scandal-full-list-people-sentenced-2019-9#parent-homayoun-zadeh-was-sentenced-to-6-weeks-in-prison-33

Is is really fair though? Is extra tutoring, unnecessary summer school, courses, etc. is that an even playing field?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action is just another form of discrimination. And yes, Asians were definitely discriminated if you know anything about the true history of these great United States.


How were Irish immigrants treated in the late 1800s?
Most stayed in slum tenements near the ports where they arrived and lived in basements and attics with no water, sanitation, or daylight. Many children took to begging, and men often spent what little money they had on alcohol. The Irish immigrants were not well-liked and often treated badly. Employers had signs that read: Irish need not apply.

The Irish refugees seeking haven in America were poor and disease-ridden. They threatened to take jobs away from Americans and strain welfare budgets. They practiced an alien religion and pledged allegiance to a foreign leader. They were bringing with them crime. They were accused of being rapists.

Herded like livestock in dark, cramped quarters, the Irish passengers lacked sufficient food and clean water. They choked on fetid air. They were showered by excrement and vomit. Each adult was apportioned just 18 inches of bed space—children half that. Disease and death clung to the rancid vessels like barnacles, and nearly a quarter of the 85,000 passengers who sailed to North America aboard the aptly nicknamed “coffin ships” in 1847 never reached their destinations. Their bodies were wrapped in cloths, weighed down with stones and tossed overboard to sleep forever on the bed of the ocean floor.

Although most certainly tired and poor, the Irish did not arrive in America yearning to breathe free; they merely hungered to eat. Largely destitute, many exiles could progress no farther than within walking distance of the city docks where they disembarked. While some had spent all of their meager savings to pay for passage across the Atlantic, others had their voyages funded by British landlords who found it a cheaper solution to dispatch their tenants to another continent, rather than pay for their charity at home.

And in the opinion of many Americans, those British landlords were not sending their best people. These people were not like the industrious, Protestant Scotch-Irish immigrants who came to America in large numbers during the colonial era, fought in the Continental Army and tamed the frontier. These people were not only poor, unskilled refugees huddled in rickety tenements. Even worse, they were Catholic.


Although stereotyped as ignorant bogtrotters loyal only to the pope and ill-suited for democracy, and only recently given political rights by the British in their former home after centuries of denial, the Irish were deeply engaged in the political process in their new home. They voted in higher proportions than other ethnic groups. Their sheer numbers helped to propel William R. Grace to become the first Irish-Catholic mayor of New York City in 1880 and Hugh O’Brien the first Irish-Catholic mayor of Boston four years later.

A generation after the Great Hunger, the Irish controlled powerful political machines in cities across the United States and were moving up the social ladder into the middle class as an influx of immigrants from China and Southern and Eastern Europe took hold in the 1880s and 1890s. “Being from the British Isles, the Irish were now considered acceptable and assimilable to the American way of life,” Dolan writes.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.


There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?


Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.


What?

Jews are way way way more obsessed.

you do know Jewish overrepresenatjon rate in t10 schools is way higher than Asians.

And in the 80s and 90s schools like Penn had literally 20x over representation.

40% of Penn was Jewish at one point!

With a 2% population in the country.

Agree it’s both though, many of the Jewish students are legacy admits, esp at Penn, Wash U, etc.


Asians at least trying to get in via fair competition

Look how far rich Whites go
https://www.insider.com/college-admissions-scandal-full-list-people-sentenced-2019-9#parent-homayoun-zadeh-was-sentenced-to-6-weeks-in-prison-33

Is is really fair though? Is extra tutoring, unnecessary summer school, courses, etc. is that an even playing field?


You would have to ask the Asians that.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What if the top colleges accepted kids who were NOT tutored instead of kids who were tutored?

THAT would be interesting!

I support this.
DUMBEST idea ever. So you want underprepared students to run our country some day? Do you want them to design our buildings and infrastructure? My DC benefitted greatly from prep outside of public school. Public school preparation is a joke!

But if you’re receiving and paying for extra supplementation, tutoring outside of school, or basically attending double the amount of school as every one else, is that not an unfair advantage? It doesn’t make you any more intelligent, you’ve simply had more practice.
Anonymous
Is it fair that some kids get extra athletic training and some don’t?
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