US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, who cares if you can’t go to Harvard, or Yale or whatever? It’s just another label. Lots of people going to these schools who probably don’t deserve to be there. If you even remotely quality to go to Harvard, I think you’ll be just fine wherever you end up.

Harvard literally admits black folk with SAT scores lower than the typical student at UMBC

In the end, the bigger picture, you will thrive wherever you go. I just don’t understand the obsession with labels. If you are brilliant you are brilliant even at a county college, gasp, or a state school. Just go with the flow.

Yes a brilliant person will be brilliant no matter where they go. Will they have the same opportunities though? How many cc grads are in the Supreme Court?

It depends on your field obviously. Most people don’t aspire to become SC justices. The average person can go anywhere and the end result will be the same.

OK, how many appellate court judges are there with cc degrees? Fortune 500 CEOs?

Uh, yeah these are mostly wealthy individuals to begin with.

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What if the top colleges accepted kids who were NOT tutored instead of kids who were tutored?

THAT would be interesting!

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Anonymous wrote:Here is Harvard’s response- in case it hasn’t yet been posted (didn’t read the entire thread)

Dear Members of the Harvard Community,

Today, the Supreme Court delivered its decision in Students for Fair Admissions v. President and Fellows of Harvard College. The Court held that Harvard College’s admissions system does not comply with the principles of the equal protection clause embodied in Title VI of the Civil Rights Act. The Court also ruled that colleges and universities may consider in admissions decisions “an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise.” We will certainly comply with the Court’s decision.

We write today to reaffirm the fundamental principle that deep and transformative teaching, learning, and research depend upon a community comprising people of many backgrounds, perspectives, and lived experiences. That principle is as true and important today as it was yesterday. So too are the abiding values that have enabled us—and every great educational institution—to pursue the high calling of educating creative thinkers and bold leaders, of deepening human knowledge, and of promoting progress, justice, and human flourishing.
We affirm that:
Because the teaching, learning, research, and creativity that bring progress and change require debate and disagreement, diversity and difference are essential to academic excellence.
To prepare leaders for a complex world, Harvard must admit and educate a student body whose members reflect, and have lived, multiple facets of human experience. No part of what makes us who we are could ever be irrelevant.
Harvard must always be a place of opportunity, a place whose doors remain open to those to whom they had long been closed, a place where many will have the chance to live dreams their parents or grandparents could not have dreamed.
For almost a decade, Harvard has vigorously defended an admissions system that, as two federal courts ruled, fully complied with longstanding precedent. In the weeks and months ahead, drawing on the talent and expertise of our Harvard community, we will determine how to preserve, consistent with the Court’s new precedent, our essential values.

The heart of our extraordinary institution is its people. Harvard will continue to be a vibrant community whose members come from all walks of life, all over the world. To our students, faculty, staff, researchers, and alumni—past, present, and future—who call Harvard your home, please know that you are, and always will be, Harvard. Your remarkable contributions to our community and the world drive Harvard’s distinction. Nothing today has changed that.

Sincerely,

Lawrence S. Bacow
President, Harvard University

Sounds like bunch of BS to me

Sounds like Harvard is going to read essays even more closely (checking against names and other background information), and keep doing what it has been doing.

Anyone who is expecting a seismic shift in racial demographics at Harvard will probably be disappointed.

Who even cares about Harvard anymore - its tarnished in my view - I’m more interested in the impact to Va schools that have been denying white kids entry based on AA.

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Anonymous wrote:What if the top colleges accepted kids who were NOT tutored instead of kids who were tutored?

THAT would be interesting!

Sure. Sports scholarships should go to those who never trained.

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Anonymous wrote:What if the top colleges accepted kids who were NOT tutored instead of kids who were tutored?

THAT would be interesting!

I support this.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, who cares if you can’t go to Harvard, or Yale or whatever? It’s just another label. Lots of people going to these schools who probably don’t deserve to be there. If you even remotely quality to go to Harvard, I think you’ll be just fine wherever you end up.

Harvard literally admits black folk with SAT scores lower than the typical student at UMBC

And Harvard literally admits many white ALDC students with SAT scores less than the top students at UMBC.

But that type of discrimination and preference-effect is okay.......yeah, right.

Care to share your data on this? Here is Harvard’s data about SAT scores:

A Crimson analysis of the previously confidential dataset — which spans admissions cycles starting with the Class of 2000 and ends with the cycle for the Class of 2017 — revealed that Asian-Americans admitted to Harvard earned an average SAT score of 767 across all sections. Every section of the SAT has a maximum score of 800.

By comparison, white admits earned an average score of 745 across all sections, Hispanic-American admits earned an average of 718, Native-American and Native-Hawaiian admits an average of 712, and African-American admits an average of 704.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you President Biden for overturning Roe v Wade andAffirmative Action, and bringing back student loans all in the same term! Amazing accomplishment for all his voters!

Why is it Biden's "fault". You willingly took on the loans; you should pay them back, no?

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Anonymous wrote:Too many applicants were taking advantage of affirmative action, eg., claiming to be 1/8 Hispanic despite being from a wealthy white family (just bc a great-grandmother came from Spain).

+1 this

I agree (and the Latino from Spain was the most popular ruse along with American Indian ) - and it was working which was the sad part.

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Too many applicants were taking advantage of affirmative action, eg., claiming to be 1/8 Hispanic despite being from a wealthy white family (just bc a great-grandmother came from Spain).

Historically, College Board's National Hispanic Recognition Program required 1/4, or one grandparent, from a list of various countries. As far as I am aware, it still does.

Couldn't an applicant who got the NHRP award include it in the award section of the app? Colleges could ignore it, I suppose, but will they?

I think it’s unlikely the college board will retain a box for race/ethnicity.

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.

There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?

Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.

Wow, thanks for demonstrating why the Court was right.

+1 as if white UMC ppl in Bethesda etc are any different

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Too many applicants were taking advantage of affirmative action, eg., claiming to be 1/8 Hispanic despite being from a wealthy white family (just bc a great-grandmother came from Spain).

Historically, College Board's National Hispanic Recognition Program required 1/4, or one grandparent, from a list of various countries. As far as I am aware, it still does.

Couldn't an applicant who got the NHRP award include it in the award section of the app? Colleges could ignore it, I suppose, but will they?

I think it’s unlikely the college board will retain a box for race/ethnicity.

^Clarification, you must mean the Common App

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.

There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?

Why are so many Asians obsessed with higher education and status? I get it, that’s how parts of Asia are, hyper competitive, cut throat, ruthless. I get it. Thank you so much for bringing that culture here, thanks.

Wow, thanks for demonstrating why the Court was right.

Why don’t you just go become a car mechanic?

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Anonymous wrote:Will White UMC families move to Anacostia to take advantage of the zip code? Or, possibly just buy a property there to include it in their kids’ applications?

Ha. We live in a W7 zip and my kid has a name that reads black. I can totally see him being construed as black, especially if he goes to McKinley as planned.

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Too many applicants were taking advantage of affirmative action, eg., claiming to be 1/8 Hispanic despite being from a wealthy white family (just bc a great-grandmother came from Spain).

Historically, College Board's National Hispanic Recognition Program required 1/4, or one grandparent, from a list of various countries. As far as I am aware, it still does.

Couldn't an applicant who got the NHRP award include it in the award section of the app? Colleges could ignore it, I suppose, but will they?

I think it’s unlikely the college board will retain a box for race/ethnicity.

^Clarification, you must mean the Common App

Oops, I misread. Ignore...

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In order to level the playing field, colleges should accept only one set of SAT/ACT scores for admission consideration. You take. You send. No multiple tries to be coached, to be tutored, to be gamed, to ratchet up.