Teacher shot at Newport News elementary school

[Anonymous]

Good. I hope they sue the oblivion out of them.
And then maybe, just maybe, special ed teams, MTSS teams, and bad admins will think twice before doing any of the following:
blowing off teacher concerns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here we go: 2 students of the school have filed letters of intent to sue the school district. One kid was in the classroom, and one it isn't clear whether he was in the classroom at the time or just saw the gun during lunch.

The gun was not in his pants pocket. It was in the pocket of his hoodie.

https://www.wavy.com/news/families-of-2-richneck-students-plan-lawsuits-against-newport-news-public-schools/

Thing about this is that such suits could come back on teachers who dropped it after reporting to the AP. I mean, how reasonable is it to see a gun, know the AP is t addressing it and just dropping it instead of going to the principal. This isnt a straightforward slam dunk against the school. There’s a lot of mud that will be slung.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ask your friends who are teachers. Ask them for the first name of the kid or kids most likely to do this in their school. Sadly, most of us would have a short list and all the teachers at our school would agree with who is on it. On mine is a 1st grader who regularly smashes and throws things in anger and regularly curses people out and tells them he wants them to die.

+1 Sadly, yes.

I used to teach elementary special ed. There was one boy in particular that had psychopathic tendencies. It was heartbreaking; he was dead in the eyes and violent toward everything and everyone. I was relieved whenever he was absent or suspended.

Now he is in prison. We all failed him. I don’t know the answer and it’s too depressing and I no longer teach

What do you know of his first and second year of life?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good. I hope they sue the oblivion out of them.
And then maybe, just maybe, special ed teams, MTSS teams, and bad admins will think twice before doing any of the following:
blowing off teacher concerns.

There's more to it than just that group you name. Take a look at federal laws and the ways in which schools, administrators, and teachers are being monitored and held accountable for too many minority males in special education classes under the categories related to emotional/behavioral issues and intellectual disabilities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good. I hope they sue the oblivion out of them.
And then maybe, just maybe, special ed teams, MTSS teams, and bad admins will think twice before doing any of the following:
blowing off teacher concerns.

No, probably not. The taxpayers pay. The admins will lose their job regardless. This is why you can’t get punitive damages against municipal defendants—there’s no “teach them a lesson” effect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Holy crap. The admins at this school are so screwed.

Educators with the title of doctorate and positions in administration need to demonstrate leadership amd make responsible decisions to support their students and staff. These clearly did not.

They have blood on their hands, but don’t care one bit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. I hope they sue the oblivion out of them.
And then maybe, just maybe, special ed teams, MTSS teams, and bad admins will think twice before doing any of the following:
blowing off teacher concerns.

There's more to it than just that group you name. Take a look at federal laws and the ways in which schools, administrators, and teachers are being monitored and held accountable for too many minority males in special education classes under the categories related to emotional/behavioral issues and intellectual disabilities.

+1
Their hands are tied. No one is winning here.

[Anonymous]

Sue the oblivion of the state DOE too. Go all the way up to SCOTUS.

We need parents to medicate their kids if the are this violent and disruptive.

It’s no longer acceptable for parents to pass the burden down to everyone else. If you have a child that can’t walk, you give them a wheelchair. You don’t make other people carry them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. I hope they sue the oblivion out of them.
And then maybe, just maybe, special ed teams, MTSS teams, and bad admins will think twice before doing any of the following:
blowing off teacher concerns.

There's more to it than just that group you name. Take a look at federal laws and the ways in which schools, administrators, and teachers are being monitored and held accountable for too many minority males in special education classes under the categories related to emotional/behavioral issues and intellectual disabilities.

This is exactly what the defendants will say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sue the oblivion of the state DOE too. Go all the way up to SCOTUS.

We need parents to medicate their kids if the are this violent and disruptive.

It’s no longer acceptable for parents to pass the burden down to everyone else. If you have a child that can’t walk, you give them a wheelchair. You don’t make other people carry them.

+1, although I don't agree with suing because it will do nothing except cost taxpayers MORE money.

I've said this before, but I wish people were required to take courses in logic. Because there is a general lack of critical thinking skills in our entire country. Because logic would clearly tell us that a dangerous person, regardless of age, should be kept away from the general public. Screw his "rights" at that point. NO ONE has the right to be in public when they are a danger to society at large, and that goes for children that are more minimally disruptive to their classmates too.

But because there is such a lack of critical thinking, people accept that little Johnny's rights are paramount, and we can't have hurt his feelings, disrupt his parents' work schedules, etc. in order to keep him out of school. There are so many things that just don't make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The way I read the story was that the day of the shooting was the first day that the parent wasn’t scheduled to attend with the child — as if it was a planned step down of that accommodation. If that’s the case, it’s crazy to me that an aide wasn’t placed in the classroom for at least a transitional period. You don’t remove a support like that all of a sudden with no scaffolding.

I’m also wondering about the trigger lock on the gun. I don’t know how those work but it sounded like he needed to steal his mom’s key to unlock it? Is it a physical key?

I also wonder if the child was adopted from an orphanage or severely abusive home — its just so unusual to have a child this disturbed at this young an age that I suspect there is some story of deep trauma there, or a physical injury to the brain. I initially assumed the home itself was abusive but if the parents were invested enough to be attending school daily, that seems less likely.

The school made so many bad decisions here.

No look at this documentary it's quite common

https://youtu.be/n-B_kmAebbQ

I literally cried for those kids. Incredibly incredibly sad. How did our country come to this? What happened? and that is just one tiny bit of the problem, and one tiny bit of the total number of kids that are messed up.

[Anonymous]

The BBC picked up the story that the 6 year old had strangled his K teacher and he had changed schools after.

This is not unusual for kids with serious behavior issues, and the frequent moves tends to make it much harder for schools to document a child's challenges, refer them for evaluation and then implement services.

[Anonymous]

This school system seems very poorly run.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sue the oblivion of the state DOE too. Go all the way up to SCOTUS.

We need parents to medicate their kids if the are this violent and disruptive.

It’s no longer acceptable for parents to pass the burden down to everyone else. If you have a child that can’t walk, you give them a wheelchair. You don’t make other people carry them.

+1, although I don't agree with suing because it will do nothing except cost taxpayers MORE money.

I've said this before, but I wish people were required to take courses in logic. Because there is a general lack of critical thinking skills in our entire country. Because logic would clearly tell us that a dangerous person, regardless of age, should be kept away from the general public. Screw his "rights" at that point. NO ONE has the right to be in public when they are a danger to society at large, and that goes for children that are more minimally disruptive to their classmates too.

But because there is such a lack of critical thinking, people accept that little Johnny's rights are paramount, and we can't have hurt his feelings, disrupt his parents' work schedules, etc. in order to keep him out of school. There are so many things that just don't make sense.

I actually think this is because it used to be that mildly autistic children were isolated from the general population and never allowed to be mainstreamed.

And some good, caring parents started advocating for them. Which is a good thing. However, under the giant umbrella of good will, parents with violent, dangerous children have abused this umbrella (which is in part because they lack the critical thinking skills to recognize that their kid doesn’t belong there even with the umbrella or in part because they are also sociopaths) and have threatened lawsuits (and have sued and won).

Personally- I think this kid needed a steady diet of lithium and clozapine.

[Anonymous]

You are also forgetting that to Devos' took apart the discipline system that schools once had.