FCPS HS Boundary

[Anonymous]

AAP is a joke. The program involves expectations of every student in the 70s and 80s but not it’s for the supposed advanced students. Forget AAP as it is today.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have the stats for pupil placements? I can never find that in the FCPS website. I’m interested to see how many students follow their AAP pyramid and pupil place to that high school to stay with their cohorts. I still think a huge program reform would be to make sure there’s a dedicated AAP center in every high school pyramid, and to either put AAP into every middle school, or drop the program at that level. The AAP clusters bounce all over the place.

Why doesn’t Wolftrap go to Westbriar to follow cohorts to Kilmer? Why does Forestville go to Forest Edge instead of Colvin Run to tie into Cooper? Why does Wales Mill go to Hunters Woods instead of Navy to feed into Carson? And those are the easy ones…

AAP centers should be eliminated, period.

AAP centers should stay, period.

Nope. With LLIV in virtually all schools, centers are redundant - as is the extra busing required. They are also the epitome of inequity, since one group of kids gets to choose which school they attend while the other group does not. And we know this SB is all about *equity,* so it should be a no-brainer to get rid of centers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:AAP centers should be eliminated, period.

Redraw the lines so my kids' school has capacity to take their AAP kids back and I'm with you 100%. None of this optional Local Level IV crap either. Almost no one is going to choose the local option if all the other advanced kids are leaving. The whole point of AAP is to be able to work ahead at a faster pace with other kids around the same level.

I think it’s coming down the pike when LLIV is rolled out at all schools. It will take some time though. It also makes me wonder if the board is insistent on a 5 year boundary review to enable them to act more quickly to change ES boundaries when they do decide to eliminate centers.

LLIV is at pretty much every school that can handle it now. There are very few schools without LLIV. I have no problem with eliminating Centers at ES and MS.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AAP is a joke. The program involves expectations of every student in the 70s and 80s but not it’s for the supposed advanced students. Forget AAP as it is today.

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It really is. It's not a "gifted" program, it's just the same curriculum that moves a little faster. That's it. FCPS needs to simply make AAP the curriculum for all and offer a tiny, very selective gifted curriculum for the few who would qualify.

[Anonymous]

Not to mention that getting rid of AAP would solve the bus problems and allow middle schools to start later. It's a win win for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that getting rid of AAP would solve the bus problems and allow middle schools to start later. It's a win win for everyone.

LOL. No, it wouldn't. Not enough buses involved to make much of a dent there. MSes aren't going to start later, ever.

[Anonymous]

A win for everyone is when kids are grouped with peers that can all move at the same speed. Every child's learning is maximized with more differentiation, not less. This no child left behind crap where they all move at the speed of the dumbest kid with the loudest parent might make that parent feel better, but sticking that kid in classes with all the advanced kids will just make them feel worse. The AAP kids have proven they're ready for math 1-2 years ahead of their peers. They're crushing the IAAT in 6th and taking Algebra in 7th. Yeah, it's the "same curriculum" the other kids take, but it's sped up by years, not weeks or months.

Anyway, to make your "everyone takes the same classes regardless of aptitude" dream come true you are going to need to redraw some boundaries. Can't get rid of centers without making room at the base schools. You ready for that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A win for everyone is when kids are grouped with peers that can all move at the same speed. Every child's learning is maximized with more differentiation, not less. This no child left behind crap where they all move at the speed of the dumbest kid with the loudest parent might make that parent feel better, but sticking that kid in classes with all the advanced kids will just make them feel worse. The AAP kids have proven they're ready for math 1-2 years ahead of their peers. They're crushing the IAAT in 6th and taking Algebra in 7th. Yeah, it's the "same curriculum" the other kids take, but it's sped up by years, not weeks or months.

Anyway, to make your "everyone takes the same classes regardless of aptitude" dream come true you are going to need to redraw some boundaries. Can't get rid of centers without making room at the base schools. You ready for that?

Getting rid of the overcrowding at Carson by making it a school that serves a local community rather than a bloated AAP center? Bring it on!

[Anonymous]

Such hypocrisy! People are lamenting that boundary changes are bad and shouldn’t happen because kids cant handle change but say “bring it on” if the changes are based on something they personally agree with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Such hypocrisy! People are lamenting that boundary changes are bad and shouldn’t happen because kids cant handle change but say “bring it on” if the changes are based on something they personally agree with.

Returning kids to their base schools could avoid boundary changes in many situations, you dope.

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Anonymous wrote:Such hypocrisy! People are lamenting that boundary changes are bad and shouldn’t happen because kids cant handle change but say “bring it on” if the changes are based on something they personally agree with.

Returning kids to their base schools could avoid boundary changes in many situations, you dope.

It can also create base school boundary changes if the volume returned doesn't fit. Carson? AAP was smaller and when it expanded in the early 2000's more qualified. Each middle school should have AAP-no busing. AAP/GT used to be a tool to load sites [ie Kilmer post renovation] and not do base school boundary changes.

Same for the elementary magnet schools set up decades ago to infuse students without base school boundary changes. Conditions on those have changed with Hunters Woods still on the older sending pattern- Only 54% of the 687 membership is base school - 313 transferred in - - 87 AAP 211 Magnet. The Baileys had 11 magnet and 270 for FLI which suggests FCPS should run dual Spanish Immersion at more sites and stop the shuffle. That magnet money should be used for all Title 1 schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Such hypocrisy! People are lamenting that boundary changes are bad and shouldn’t happen because kids cant handle change but say “bring it on” if the changes are based on something they personally agree with.

Returning kids to their base schools could avoid boundary changes in many situations, you dope.

Stop with the name calling and think. There is not enough space for all AAP kids to be returned to their base schools so boundaries will change. The PP said “bring it on” to those boundary changes.

I am so glad that some of these posters who don’t understand the issues, don’t seem to be able to think through issues that are raised and resort to name calling are not the decision makers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Such hypocrisy! People are lamenting that boundary changes are bad and shouldn’t happen because kids cant handle change but say “bring it on” if the changes are based on something they personally agree with.

Returning kids to their base schools could avoid boundary changes in many situations, you dope.

Stop with the name calling and think. There is not enough space for all AAP kids to be returned to their base schools so boundaries will change. The PP said “bring it on” to those boundary changes.

I am so glad that some of these posters who don’t understand the issues, don’t seem to be able to think through issues that are raised and resort to name calling are not the decision makers.

AAP schools are often among the more crowded and that may force boundary changes independent of any larger initiatives. If you don’t understand that, you simply haven’t been paying much attention.

And you were also the one who started with the name calling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have the stats for pupil placements? I can never find that in the FCPS website. I’m interested to see how many students follow their AAP pyramid and pupil place to that high school to stay with their cohorts. I still think a huge program reform would be to make sure there’s a dedicated AAP center in every high school pyramid, and to either put AAP into every middle school, or drop the program at that level. The AAP clusters bounce all over the place.

Why doesn’t Wolftrap go to Westbriar to follow cohorts to Kilmer? Why does Forestville go to Forest Edge instead of Colvin Run to tie into Cooper? Why does Wales Mill go to Hunters Woods instead of Navy to feed into Carson? And those are the easy ones…

AAP centers should be eliminated, period.

AAP centers should stay, period.

Nope. With LLIV in virtually all schools, centers are redundant - as is the extra busing required. They are also the epitome of inequity, since one group of kids gets to choose which school they attend while the other group does not. And we know this SB is all about *equity,* so it should be a no-brainer to get rid of centers.

It must be tough to accept your kid isn't advanced. Centers are staying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that getting rid of AAP would solve the bus problems and allow middle schools to start later. It's a win win for everyone.

LOL. No, it wouldn't. Not enough buses involved to make much of a dent there. MSes aren't going to start later, ever.

MS buses already pick up a large geographical area, so you are right, not much difference. It's the ES buses running around to pick up AAP kids (and their pupil placed siblings) to bus to the centers that is a big waste.