FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that getting rid of AAP would solve the bus problems and allow middle schools to start later. It's a win win for everyone.

LOL. No, it wouldn't. Not enough buses involved to make much of a dent there. MSes aren't going to start later, ever.

MS buses already pick up a large geographical area, so you are right, not much difference. It's the ES buses running around to pick up AAP kids (and their pupil placed siblings) to bus to the centers that is a big waste.

PP from above. And those pupil placed siblings contribute to overcrowding at center schools at all grades, not just 3-6. I am in favor of the pivot to providing LLIV and having kids attend their base schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The School Board started forcing ES to implement LLIV just before the pandemic. My kids school Administrators were almost proud of the fact that the school didn't have LLIV, we have a program now. It started the year after the COVID year. They are tweaking it to make it more rigirous because the parents werenot happy with the cluster model. Now the kids are clustered but there are LIV pull outs that more regular and provide a deeper dive into the material. I am told that these happen several times a week and are different then LIII pull outs. If you look at the LLIV schools you will see a good number that list 3,4,5 because they were forced to add LLIV.

Now that most of the schools in the county have LLIV it is easier to remove the Centers because all kids will have access to LIV services at their base schools. Looking at the list below I see 5 schools that don't have LLIV.

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary/advanced-academic-programs/advanced-academic-level-iv-school

I doubt the accuracy of this page. Waples Mill does not have Level IV AAP yet it has a *. Their Level III program is a weekly pull out for an hour - it's a joke. Maybe it changed just this year and I didn't hear about it since my kid was already at Hunters Woods. Even if they offer local IV, no one would take that as a cluster with just a few students over dedicated AAP classes at Hunters Woods. And they don't have the space to bring all their level IV kids back to Waples to make the local program appealing.

I would bet that the program just started. My kids school started LLIV when he was in 4th grade so there was not a class for him. The school uses the cluster method. We were told by the 4th grade Teachers that they would be using the LLIV curriculum even though they were not required to that year because they wanted to prepared for the next year when they would have to use the LLIV program. DS enjoyed science, LA, and scoical studies in ES but was bored in Advanced Math. The LIII program at the school was robust. It worked for him and we are happy with how he did in ES. He is taking AAP classes in MS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that getting rid of AAP would solve the bus problems and allow middle schools to start later. It's a win win for everyone.

LOL. No, it wouldn't. Not enough buses involved to make much of a dent there. MSes aren't going to start later, ever.

MS buses already pick up a large geographical area, so you are right, not much difference. It's the ES buses running around to pick up AAP kids (and their pupil placed siblings) to bus to the centers that is a big waste.

PP from above. And those pupil placed siblings contribute to overcrowding at center schools at all grades, not just 3-6. I am in favor of the pivot to providing LLIV and having kids attend their base schools.

Does fcps really allow siblings to pupil place to centers?

Sangster doesn't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that getting rid of AAP would solve the bus problems and allow middle schools to start later. It's a win win for everyone.

LOL. No, it wouldn't. Not enough buses involved to make much of a dent there. MSes aren't going to start later, ever.

MS buses already pick up a large geographical area, so you are right, not much difference. It's the ES buses running around to pick up AAP kids (and their pupil placed siblings) to bus to the centers that is a big waste.

PP from above. And those pupil placed siblings contribute to overcrowding at center schools at all grades, not just 3-6. I am in favor of the pivot to providing LLIV and having kids attend their base schools.

Does fcps really allow siblings to pupil place to centers?

Sangster doesn't.

Some do. The Center my child would have attended included that they were open to sibling transfers if that was needed. That was 4 years ago so that might have changed. We deferred services to stay at the base school which started Advanced Math in 3rd. grade. The LLIV program started the following year so DS received the cluster version of LLIV unofficially in 4th-6th grade.

[Anonymous]

Could you folks take the AAP talk to another thread unless you’re specifically tying it to a discussion of boundaries? Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have the stats for pupil placements? I can never find that in the FCPS website. I’m interested to see how many students follow their AAP pyramid and pupil place to that high school to stay with their cohorts. I still think a huge program reform would be to make sure there’s a dedicated AAP center in every high school pyramid, and to either put AAP into every middle school, or drop the program at that level. The AAP clusters bounce all over the place.

Why doesn’t Wolftrap go to Westbriar to follow cohorts to Kilmer? Why does Forestville go to Forest Edge instead of Colvin Run to tie into Cooper? Why does Wales Mill go to Hunters Woods instead of Navy to feed into Carson? And those are the easy ones…

AAP centers should be eliminated, period.

AAP centers should stay, period.

Nope. With LLIV in virtually all schools, centers are redundant - as is the extra busing required. They are also the epitome of inequity, since one group of kids gets to choose which school they attend while the other group does not. And we know this SB is all about *equity,* so it should be a no-brainer to get rid of centers.

It must be tough to accept your kid isn't advanced. Centers are staying.

I think they’ll be on the chopping block eventually but it might take 10 years. It seems pretty obvious that that’s the way they’re going now that they are putting LLIV into almost all schools (soon to be all, because I know that’s the goal).

To tie it into boundaries, there will have to be ES boundary changes to go with the ending of centers because some schools place out so many of the 3-6th graders to the center. It’s the same number of students in the system as a whole, but you’d have to make sure that your local ES could handle an influx of 100+ additional students who were previously going to the center, in some cases. Some boundaries would have to be made much smaller.

I don’t understand the middle school AAP thing at all if there are honors classes. Seems repetitive and wasteful but my kids are still ES age so maybe I just haven’t experienced it myself yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Could you folks take the AAP talk to another thread unless you’re specifically tying it to a discussion of boundaries? Thanks.

AAP programs influence boundaries just like any other program. AAP centers cause some schools to have a good number more kids and lead to near or over capacity ES. Returning kids to the base school could cause an ES to become over crowded. It is a part of the conversation. How the program is adminstered is not a part of the conversation except for the fact that the Center devotees swear that Center AAP is better then LLIV.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could you folks take the AAP talk to another thread unless you’re specifically tying it to a discussion of boundaries? Thanks.

AAP programs influence boundaries just like any other program. AAP centers cause some schools to have a good number more kids and lead to near or over capacity ES. Returning kids to the base school could cause an ES to become over crowded. It is a part of the conversation. How the program is adminstered is not a part of the conversation except for the fact that the Center devotees swear that Center AAP is better then LLIV.

On the other hand, Irving is an example of an overcrowded middle school that is not an AAP center and that would be significantly more overcrowded if the AAP kids at Lake Braddock were at Irving instead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could you folks take the AAP talk to another thread unless you’re specifically tying it to a discussion of boundaries? Thanks.

AAP programs influence boundaries just like any other program. AAP centers cause some schools to have a good number more kids and lead to near or over capacity ES. Returning kids to the base school could cause an ES to become over crowded. It is a part of the conversation. How the program is adminstered is not a part of the conversation except for the fact that the Center devotees swear that Center AAP is better then LLIV.

On the other hand, Irving is an example of an overcrowded middle school that is not an AAP center and that would be significantly more overcrowded if the AAP kids at Lake Braddock were at Irving instead.

Which is why we need a boundary study across the County so that over crowded schools are relieved of those issues and under enrolled schools are used to their full capacity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could you folks take the AAP talk to another thread unless you’re specifically tying it to a discussion of boundaries? Thanks.

AAP programs influence boundaries just like any other program. AAP centers cause some schools to have a good number more kids and lead to near or over capacity ES. Returning kids to the base school could cause an ES to become over crowded. It is a part of the conversation. How the program is adminstered is not a part of the conversation except for the fact that the Center devotees swear that Center AAP is better then LLIV.

On the other hand, Irving is an example of an overcrowded middle school that is not an AAP center and that would be significantly more overcrowded if the AAP kids at Lake Braddock were at Irving instead.

Which is why we need a boundary study across the County so that over crowded schools are relieved of those issues and under enrolled schools are used to their full capacity.

At what point do you add capacity where it is needed and stop pretending it's a good idea to bus kids longer distances to under-enrolled schools that people who currently live within the catchment areas may well avoid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Could you folks take the AAP talk to another thread unless you’re specifically tying it to a discussion of boundaries? Thanks.

Yes, please!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could you folks take the AAP talk to another thread unless you’re specifically tying it to a discussion of boundaries? Thanks.

AAP programs influence boundaries just like any other program. AAP centers cause some schools to have a good number more kids and lead to near or over capacity ES. Returning kids to the base school could cause an ES to become over crowded. It is a part of the conversation. How the program is adminstered is not a part of the conversation except for the fact that the Center devotees swear that Center AAP is better then LLIV.

On the other hand, Irving is an example of an overcrowded middle school that is not an AAP center and that would be significantly more overcrowded if the AAP kids at Lake Braddock were at Irving instead.

There aren't that many WSHS/Irving kids going to Lake Braddock for AAP any more.

At least half, if not more of them now choose Irving over Lake Braddock.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could you folks take the AAP talk to another thread unless you’re specifically tying it to a discussion of boundaries? Thanks.

AAP programs influence boundaries just like any other program. AAP centers cause some schools to have a good number more kids and lead to near or over capacity ES. Returning kids to the base school could cause an ES to become over crowded. It is a part of the conversation. How the program is adminstered is not a part of the conversation except for the fact that the Center devotees swear that Center AAP is better then LLIV.

On the other hand, Irving is an example of an overcrowded middle school that is not an AAP center and that would be significantly more overcrowded if the AAP kids at Lake Braddock were at Irving instead.

Which is why we need a boundary study across the County so that over crowded schools are relieved of those issues and under enrolled schools are used to their full capacity.

The starting point is finding a way to keep the roughly 230 kids actually living in homes zoned for Lewis at Lewis.

This should be fixed before any discussion of rezoning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could you folks take the AAP talk to another thread unless you’re specifically tying it to a discussion of boundaries? Thanks.

AAP programs influence boundaries just like any other program. AAP centers cause some schools to have a good number more kids and lead to near or over capacity ES. Returning kids to the base school could cause an ES to become over crowded. It is a part of the conversation. How the program is adminstered is not a part of the conversation except for the fact that the Center devotees swear that Center AAP is better then LLIV.

On the other hand, Irving is an example of an overcrowded middle school that is not an AAP center and that would be significantly more overcrowded if the AAP kids at Lake Braddock were at Irving instead.

Which is why we need a boundary study across the County so that over crowded schools are relieved of those issues and under enrolled schools are used to their full capacity.

The starting point is finding a way to keep the roughly 230 kids actually living in homes zoned for Lewis at Lewis.

This should be fixed before any discussion of rezoning.

No IB or language transfers allowed. Also, kid older than 6th grade shouldn't be allowed to pupil place for "childcare" reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could you folks take the AAP talk to another thread unless you’re specifically tying it to a discussion of boundaries? Thanks.

AAP programs influence boundaries just like any other program. AAP centers cause some schools to have a good number more kids and lead to near or over capacity ES. Returning kids to the base school could cause an ES to become over crowded. It is a part of the conversation. How the program is adminstered is not a part of the conversation except for the fact that the Center devotees swear that Center AAP is better then LLIV.

On the other hand, Irving is an example of an overcrowded middle school that is not an AAP center and that would be significantly more overcrowded if the AAP kids at Lake Braddock were at Irving instead.

Which is why we need a boundary study across the County so that over crowded schools are relieved of those issues and under enrolled schools are used to their full capacity.

The starting point is finding a way to keep the roughly 230 kids actually living in homes zoned for Lewis at Lewis.

This should be fixed before any discussion of rezoning.

There is no reason to force kids into a failing school with no plans to fix the school.