FCPS HS Boundary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ And send all the Stenwood kids to Kilmer instead of carving that weird walk zone out of their boundaries.

Much of Stenwood is walkable to Thoreau, so you lose that if you send all of Stenwood to Kilmer.

Of course if and when Dunn Loring opens Stenwood boundaries will shift south so maybe it should all go to Thoreau and Madison and all of Dunn Loring should go to Kilmer and Marshall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...Why does Wales Mill go to Hunters Woods instead of Navy to feed into Carson?…

Because Waples Mill is well over capacity but it's hidden in the numbers via 8 (permanent) trailers out back instead of official "modular" classrooms. Waples Mill doesn't have room for their AAP kids, and Navy doesn't have room for them either. They have their own trailers/modulars out back. So instead the Waples Mill AAP kids are changing friend groups in 3rd grade to go to a new pyramid, then again split between Carson and Franklin (plus wherever their Hunters Woods AAP friends split to), and then they know almost no one when the end up at Oakton in the end.
This boarder realignment can't come fast enough (although my kids won't benefit by the time it takes effect sadly).

This is just mind bogglingly inefficient, and why I support the holistic review. Every pyramid should have at least one elementary level AAP center, and in middle school honors classes should be honors classes so they can drop AAP middle schools. That way the community will flow together into the same high school. If you want to offer more AP classes at Herndon, stop sending all the students who would be enrolling in those classes to Forest Edge for ES and Hughes for MS because all of their cohorts are in South Lakes, and that’s where they’re going to pupil place in High School.

They could eliminate middle school AAP centers and they will still need to have some MS that are split feeders.

They could fix a lot of it. Oakton is an impossible pyramid to eliminate them entirely, because its pyramid MS is Carson, which is sooooo far away. Hughes has the capacity to take its Carson neighborhoods, but Stone doesn’t have the capacity to feed all of Westfield. You can probably get Oakton down to Thoreau/Franklin so they’re the only split feeders. The other instances are fairly obvious on how to shift into their HS footprint.

Agree that eliminating AAP "centers" at MS that pull from outside the base boundaries would create opportunities for more alignment.

However, as you mention Carson will probably remain a split feeder no matter what. Franklin, too. Further east, Holmes and Poe will remain split feeders to Annandale and at least one other high school. Hell, if Ricardy Anderson gets her way with Glasgow, she might turn at least one of them into a three-way split feeder.

In the Tysons/Vienna area, they could align Madison's boundaries with Thoreau's current boundaries and Marshall's boundaries with Kilmer's current boundaries if they were so inclined but that would mean part of the Town of Vienna would attend Marshall. They could do that; years ago, part of the Town of Vienna went to Oakton. It would be less obvious to align Thoreau's boundaries with the current Madison boundaries because Thoreau sits in the Marshall district, so if you did that you'd be creating another Whitman-like situation.

Thoreau would be in Madison boundaries if Cunningham Park weren’t a split feeder. It would make more sense to send the TOV kids to Thoreau than to Madison since they have the capacity, a lot of those middle school split feeder borders could be addressed by fixing the elementary split feeders first.

Holmes could not be a split feeder by sending Bren Mar Park to Annandale and sending all of Mason Crest to Glasgow/Justice rather than ping ponging them between Annandale MS and Falls Church HS, now that Justice has been expanded.

If Bren Mar Park went back to Annandale then Holmes would be a single feeder. Mason Crest splits to Poe and Glasgow, not Glasgow and Holmes, and even if all of Mason Crest went to Poe, Poe would still be a split feeder to Annandale and Falls Church. Given that Anderson wants to downsize Glasgow the more likely scenario is that all of Mason Crest will end up at Poe/Falls Church (Poe had space and Falls Church is also being expanded).

Assuming middle school AAP is dropped, Glasgow would have seats open up. Mason Crest is in that unique K-5 model, so the only way to not split it up would be to send it through Poe/Annandale or Glasgow/Justice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...Why does Wales Mill go to Hunters Woods instead of Navy to feed into Carson?…

Because Waples Mill is well over capacity but it's hidden in the numbers via 8 (permanent) trailers out back instead of official "modular" classrooms. Waples Mill doesn't have room for their AAP kids, and Navy doesn't have room for them either. They have their own trailers/modulars out back. So instead the Waples Mill AAP kids are changing friend groups in 3rd grade to go to a new pyramid, then again split between Carson and Franklin (plus wherever their Hunters Woods AAP friends split to), and then they know almost no one when the end up at Oakton in the end.
This boarder realignment can't come fast enough (although my kids won't benefit by the time it takes effect sadly).

This is just mind bogglingly inefficient, and why I support the holistic review. Every pyramid should have at least one elementary level AAP center, and in middle school honors classes should be honors classes so they can drop AAP middle schools. That way the community will flow together into the same high school. If you want to offer more AP classes at Herndon, stop sending all the students who would be enrolling in those classes to Forest Edge for ES and Hughes for MS because all of their cohorts are in South Lakes, and that’s where they’re going to pupil place in High School.

They could eliminate middle school AAP centers and they will still need to have some MS that are split feeders.

They could fix a lot of it. Oakton is an impossible pyramid to eliminate them entirely, because its pyramid MS is Carson, which is sooooo far away. Hughes has the capacity to take its Carson neighborhoods, but Stone doesn’t have the capacity to feed all of Westfield. You can probably get Oakton down to Thoreau/Franklin so they’re the only split feeders. The other instances are fairly obvious on how to shift into their HS footprint.

Agree that eliminating AAP "centers" at MS that pull from outside the base boundaries would create opportunities for more alignment.

However, as you mention Carson will probably remain a split feeder no matter what. Franklin, too. Further east, Holmes and Poe will remain split feeders to Annandale and at least one other high school. Hell, if Ricardy Anderson gets her way with Glasgow, she might turn at least one of them into a three-way split feeder.

In the Tysons/Vienna area, they could align Madison's boundaries with Thoreau's current boundaries and Marshall's boundaries with Kilmer's current boundaries if they were so inclined but that would mean part of the Town of Vienna would attend Marshall. They could do that; years ago, part of the Town of Vienna went to Oakton. It would be less obvious to align Thoreau's boundaries with the current Madison boundaries because Thoreau sits in the Marshall district, so if you did that you'd be creating another Whitman-like situation.

Thoreau would be in Madison boundaries if Cunningham Park weren’t a split feeder. It would make more sense to send the TOV kids to Thoreau than to Madison since they have the capacity, a lot of those middle school split feeder borders could be addressed by fixing the elementary split feeders first.

Holmes could not be a split feeder by sending Bren Mar Park to Annandale and sending all of Mason Crest to Glasgow/Justice rather than ping ponging them between Annandale MS and Falls Church HS, now that Justice has been expanded.

If Bren Mar Park went back to Annandale then Holmes would be a single feeder. Mason Crest splits to Poe and Glasgow, not Glasgow and Holmes, and even if all of Mason Crest went to Poe, Poe would still be a split feeder to Annandale and Falls Church. Given that Anderson wants to downsize Glasgow the more likely scenario is that all of Mason Crest will end up at Poe/Falls Church (Poe had space and Falls Church is also being expanded).

Assuming middle school AAP is dropped, Glasgow would have seats open up. Mason Crest is in that unique K-5 model, so the only way to not split it up would be to send it through Poe/Annandale or Glasgow/Justice.

Let me repeat this again so you understand. Most of Mason Crest already goes to Poe/Falls Church, not Poe/Annandale. The 6-8 MS model has no bearing on where the kids attend high school.

The Sleepy Hollow Woods and Columbia Pines neighborhoods currently go to Mason Crest/Glasgow/Justice. As Ricardy Anderson wants to shrink Glasgow, these kids could be moved to Poe along with the rest of Mason Crest, and then it would make sense for them also to switch from Justice to Falls Church. Otherwise, Poe turns into a three-way split feeder and these kids would be the only kids at Poe going to Justice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ And send all the Stenwood kids to Kilmer instead of carving that weird walk zone out of their boundaries.

Much of Stenwood is walkable to Thoreau, so you lose that if you send all of Stenwood to Kilmer.

Of course if and when Dunn Loring opens Stenwood boundaries will shift south so maybe it should all go to Thoreau and Madison and all of Dunn Loring should go to Kilmer and Marshall.

Because their walking radiuses overlap, Kilmer and Thoreau are so close. Kilmer has to send a bus past there anyway to pick up the kids south of 66 for those who don’t want to walk the extra few tenths of mile. Taking such a small group of kids out of their community for two years is inane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ And send all the Stenwood kids to Kilmer instead of carving that weird walk zone out of their boundaries.

Much of Stenwood is walkable to Thoreau, so you lose that if you send all of Stenwood to Kilmer.

Of course if and when Dunn Loring opens Stenwood boundaries will shift south so maybe it should all go to Thoreau and Madison and all of Dunn Loring should go to Kilmer and Marshall.

Because their walking radiuses overlap, Kilmer and Thoreau are so close. Kilmer has to send a bus past there anyway to pick up the kids south of 66 for those who don’t want to walk the extra few tenths of mile. Taking such a small group of kids out of their community for two years is inane.

Fine, move the area south of 66 from Shrevewood to Stenwood and send them all to Thoreau and Madison. It would be silly to send kids who live right behind Thoreau to Kilmer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ And send all the Stenwood kids to Kilmer instead of carving that weird walk zone out of their boundaries.

Much of Stenwood is walkable to Thoreau, so you lose that if you send all of Stenwood to Kilmer.

Of course if and when Dunn Loring opens Stenwood boundaries will shift south so maybe it should all go to Thoreau and Madison and all of Dunn Loring should go to Kilmer and Marshall.

Again the new apartment building going up in Tysons will go to Kilmer and Marshall so that needs to be taken into account.

[Anonymous]

So HV is going to Lewis?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ And send all the Stenwood kids to Kilmer instead of carving that weird walk zone out of their boundaries.

Much of Stenwood is walkable to Thoreau, so you lose that if you send all of Stenwood to Kilmer.

Of course if and when Dunn Loring opens Stenwood boundaries will shift south so maybe it should all go to Thoreau and Madison and all of Dunn Loring should go to Kilmer and Marshall.

Again the new apartment building going up in Tysons will go to Kilmer and Marshall so that needs to be taken into account.

There are quite a few new apartment buildings going up in Tysons. Also more townhouses off Route 7 near the Tysons/Pimmit library and also plans to build townhouses off Idylwood just off Route 7 (on the Marshall side).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have the stats for pupil placements? I can never find that in the FCPS website. I’m interested to see how many students follow their AAP pyramid and pupil place to that high school to stay with their cohorts. I still think a huge program reform would be to make sure there’s a dedicated AAP center in every high school pyramid, and to either put AAP into every middle school, or drop the program at that level. The AAP clusters bounce all over the place.

Why doesn’t Wolftrap go to Westbriar to follow cohorts to Kilmer? Why does Forestville go to Forest Edge instead of Colvin Run to tie into Cooper? Why does Wales Mill go to Hunters Woods instead of Navy to feed into Carson? And those are the easy ones…

AAP centers should be eliminated, period.

It will happen; 4 years. Have to wait for all schools get AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So HV is going to Lewis?

Enough trolling. No one is amused this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have the stats for pupil placements? I can never find that in the FCPS website. I’m interested to see how many students follow their AAP pyramid and pupil place to that high school to stay with their cohorts. I still think a huge program reform would be to make sure there’s a dedicated AAP center in every high school pyramid, and to either put AAP into every middle school, or drop the program at that level. The AAP clusters bounce all over the place.

Why doesn’t Wolftrap go to Westbriar to follow cohorts to Kilmer? Why does Forestville go to Forest Edge instead of Colvin Run to tie into Cooper? Why does Wales Mill go to Hunters Woods instead of Navy to feed into Carson? And those are the easy ones…

AAP centers should be eliminated, period.

It will happen; 4 years. Have to wait for all schools get AAP.

There are 5 schools without LLIV. That day is here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have the stats for pupil placements? I can never find that in the FCPS website. I’m interested to see how many students follow their AAP pyramid and pupil place to that high school to stay with their cohorts. I still think a huge program reform would be to make sure there’s a dedicated AAP center in every high school pyramid, and to either put AAP into every middle school, or drop the program at that level. The AAP clusters bounce all over the place.

Why doesn’t Wolftrap go to Westbriar to follow cohorts to Kilmer? Why does Forestville go to Forest Edge instead of Colvin Run to tie into Cooper? Why does Wales Mill go to Hunters Woods instead of Navy to feed into Carson? And those are the easy ones…

AAP centers should be eliminated, period.

It will happen; 4 years. Have to wait for all schools get AAP.

There are 5 schools without LLIV. That day is here.

How does LLIV work? Are the same group of 25 kids stuck together for all 3-6? I can see why they want to keep centers if that is the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have the stats for pupil placements? I can never find that in the FCPS website. I’m interested to see how many students follow their AAP pyramid and pupil place to that high school to stay with their cohorts. I still think a huge program reform would be to make sure there’s a dedicated AAP center in every high school pyramid, and to either put AAP into every middle school, or drop the program at that level. The AAP clusters bounce all over the place.

Why doesn’t Wolftrap go to Westbriar to follow cohorts to Kilmer? Why does Forestville go to Forest Edge instead of Colvin Run to tie into Cooper? Why does Wales Mill go to Hunters Woods instead of Navy to feed into Carson? And those are the easy ones…

AAP centers should be eliminated, period.

It will happen; 4 years. Have to wait for all schools get AAP.

There are 5 schools without LLIV. That day is here.

How does LLIV work? Are the same group of 25 kids stuck together for all 3-6? I can see why they want to keep centers if that is the case.

LLIV is run in a variety of ways. In some schools, all the LIV identified kids are in one class and then kids identified for Advanced Math or LIII services are added to the class so that the class has roughly the same number of students as the other classes in that grade. The only kids who can be removed are the Principal Placed kids. So yes, it is the same group of kids every year. This isn't any different then kids in Language Immersion programs. Larger schools might have 2 LLIV classes because of the number of kids selected by the committee.

Some schools are using the cluster approach to LLIV. They have clusters of committee selected kids in a class, so the LIV kids are spread out in a number of different classes. The Teacher uses the LIV curriculum for the entire class and provides extenstions for the LIV identified kids. The cluster approach seems to be the one most common with the schools that have been forced to add LLIV in the last 5 years.

My kid was at a LI school. There were two classes for LI, they would spend the morning in the LI class and change Teachers in the afternoon. In 5th grade the LI kids in Advanced Math were all placed in one class and were in the same group for 5th and 6th. Honestly, most of those kids had been in the same grouping since 3rd grade so it was essentially a LI/LLIV class. Not changing classmates all that much didn't bother my kid and I have not heard of parents or kids who were unhappy with the arrangement.

[Anonymous]

Cluster model as you described is not really AAP. What's the point if the class still has to move at the speed of the non-advanced kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The School Board started forcing ES to implement LLIV just before the pandemic. My kids school Administrators were almost proud of the fact that the school didn't have LLIV, we have a program now. It started the year after the COVID year. They are tweaking it to make it more rigirous because the parents werenot happy with the cluster model. Now the kids are clustered but there are LIV pull outs that more regular and provide a deeper dive into the material. I am told that these happen several times a week and are different then LIII pull outs. If you look at the LLIV schools you will see a good number that list 3,4,5 because they were forced to add LLIV.

Now that most of the schools in the county have LLIV it is easier to remove the Centers because all kids will have access to LIV services at their base schools. Looking at the list below I see 5 schools that don't have LLIV.

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary/advanced-academic-programs/advanced-academic-level-iv-school

I doubt the accuracy of this page. Waples Mill does not have Level IV AAP yet it has a *. Their Level III program is a weekly pull out for an hour - it's a joke. Maybe it changed just this year and I didn't hear about it since my kid was already at Hunters Woods. Even if they offer local IV, no one would take that as a cluster with just a few students over dedicated AAP classes at Hunters Woods. And they don't have the space to bring all their level IV kids back to Waples to make the local program appealing.