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Anonymous wrote:So any bets on who will be Spirit VA's technical director? Does Diane Drake leave McLean? Does Eddie Lima seize his chance to head up a program again? Does Terry Foley have a non-compete clause? It's been almost a year so it's about time for Ken Krieger to change jobs. Is Kephern back from Europe?

My bet, another Spirit coach takes the job that no one seems to want, for a DA that will be combined into the Spirit MD Academy in two years.

I hope Diane Drake leaves McLean! She plays favorites way too much, we have not been impressed with her or her team.

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Anonymous wrote:With as many clubs as there are in NOVA, clubs should really focus on having an all inclusive league where the non-ECNL/DA teams can all compete against each other.

Will Arlington and Loudon lead to the removal of their teams from CCL? Is CCL really better than NCSL or can you find good and bad teams in both leagues.

however, to keep the conversation moving forward, I am interested to see what CCL looks like for 2017-18 after all this musical chairs stops

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Anonymous wrote:With as many clubs as there are in NOVA, clubs should really focus on having an all inclusive league where the non-ECNL/DA teams can all compete against each other.

Will Arlington and Loudon lead to the removal of their teams from CCL? Is CCL really better than NCSL or can you find good and bad teams in both leagues.

please review the past 340 pages of posts for the various opinions so that we don't have to dredge up that debate again

Like it or not, the restructuring of the area landscape coming this fall changes the debate on CCL's relevance/role in the regional soccer market.

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Anonymous wrote:With as many clubs as there are in NOVA, clubs should really focus on having an all inclusive league where the non-ECNL/DA teams can all compete against each other.

Will Arlington and Loudon lead to the removal of their teams from CCL? Is CCL really better than NCSL or can you find good and bad teams in both leagues.

please review the past 340 pages of posts for the various opinions so that we don't have to dredge up that debate again

ha ha, i've been keeping up and seen most of them. I think it does make sense for clubs to rethink their position in CCL with the additional clubs in ECNL/DA and whether it makes sense to go to Central and South VA.

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Anonymous wrote:With as many clubs as there are in NOVA, clubs should really focus on having an all inclusive league where the non-ECNL/DA teams can all compete against each other.

Will Arlington and Loudon lead to the removal of their teams from CCL? Is CCL really better than NCSL or can you find good and bad teams in both leagues.

please review the past 340 pages of posts for the various opinions so that we don't have to dredge up that debate again

Like it or not, the restructuring of the area landscape coming this fall changes the debate on CCL's relevance/role in the regional soccer market.

No, it isn't relevant because at the younger ages finding a good coach is more important than the league.

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Anonymous wrote:With as many clubs as there are in NOVA, clubs should really focus on having an all inclusive league where the non-ECNL/DA teams can all compete against each other.

Will Arlington and Loudon lead to the removal of their teams from CCL? Is CCL really better than NCSL or can you find good and bad teams in both leagues.

please review the past 340 pages of posts for the various opinions so that we don't have to dredge up that debate again

Like it or not, the restructuring of the area landscape coming this fall changes the debate on CCL's relevance/role in the regional soccer market.

I guess I agree with that. Certainly BRYC and Loudoun's top players will be committed to the higher level teams so that, if they still field CCL teams, they won't be as competitive. Or, Loudoun's top players may not get to break into the FCV group, which leaves those players to decide to stay and maintain the quality of their CCL teams or to leave and another club benefits from those players. I'm not sure why Arlington is in this conversation since they are no longer in the DA picture, so those teams will still be good if all those players stay.

But, without knowing what clubs are still in CCL or what clubs get added to CCL, it's a little premature to compare to NCSL for next year. The major difference between the leagues (development vs promotion/relegation) should not change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With as many clubs as there are in NOVA, clubs should really focus on having an all inclusive league where the non-ECNL/DA teams can all compete against each other.

Will Arlington and Loudon lead to the removal of their teams from CCL? Is CCL really better than NCSL or can you find good and bad teams in both leagues.

please review the past 340 pages of posts for the various opinions so that we don't have to dredge up that debate again

Like it or not, the restructuring of the area landscape coming this fall changes the debate on CCL's relevance/role in the regional soccer market.

I guess I agree with that. Certainly BRYC and Loudoun's top players will be committed to the higher level teams so that, if they still field CCL teams, they won't be as competitive. Or, Loudoun's top players may not get to break into the FCV group, which leaves those players to decide to stay and maintain the quality of their CCL teams or to leave and another club benefits from those players. I'm not sure why Arlington is in this conversation since they are no longer in the DA picture, so those teams will still be good if all those players stay.

But, without knowing what clubs are still in CCL or what clubs get added to CCL, it's a little premature to compare to NCSL for next year. The major difference between the leagues (development vs promotion/relegation) should not change.

And this really is the decision of what you want to gain out of youth soccer. Do you want your player to become better and have opportunities to move on to play in college? I think CCL has that focus. Do you want your player to be on a team that focuses on winning and filling the trophy case so they have their glory days to look back on? I think that is NCSL.

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Anonymous wrote:With as many clubs as there are in NOVA, clubs should really focus on having an all inclusive league where the non-ECNL/DA teams can all compete against each other.

Will Arlington and Loudon lead to the removal of their teams from CCL? Is CCL really better than NCSL or can you find good and bad teams in both leagues.

please review the past 340 pages of posts for the various opinions so that we don't have to dredge up that debate again

Like it or not, the restructuring of the area landscape coming this fall changes the debate on CCL's relevance/role in the regional soccer market.

I guess I agree with that. Certainly BRYC and Loudoun's top players will be committed to the higher level teams so that, if they still field CCL teams, they won't be as competitive. Or, Loudoun's top players may not get to break into the FCV group, which leaves those players to decide to stay and maintain the quality of their CCL teams or to leave and another club benefits from those players. I'm not sure why Arlington is in this conversation since they are no longer in the DA picture, so those teams will still be good if all those players stay.

But, without knowing what clubs are still in CCL or what clubs get added to CCL, it's a little premature to compare to NCSL for next year. The major difference between the leagues (development vs promotion/relegation) should not change.

And this really is the decision of what you want to gain out of youth soccer. Do you want your player to become better and have opportunities to move on to play in college? I think CCL has that focus. Do you want your player to be on a team that focuses on winning and filling the trophy case so they have their glory days to look back on? I think that is NCSL.

This is a bullsh-t statement. I don't care about CCL or NCSL. I agree. One should look for a coach and a team first. But this is a bullsh-t statement. Just because a league has pro/rel doesn't mean that every club in the league focuses on winning first. That is absurd. Just as the statement that noone in CCL cares about winning and they only care about development. Stupid ass comment. And no matter what anyone says...winning matters. We all know that. maybe it shouldn't but it does.

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Anonymous wrote:With as many clubs as there are in NOVA, clubs should really focus on having an all inclusive league where the non-ECNL/DA teams can all compete against each other.

Will Arlington and Loudon lead to the removal of their teams from CCL? Is CCL really better than NCSL or can you find good and bad teams in both leagues.

please review the past 340 pages of posts for the various opinions so that we don't have to dredge up that debate again

Like it or not, the restructuring of the area landscape coming this fall changes the debate on CCL's relevance/role in the regional soccer market.

I guess I agree with that. Certainly BRYC and Loudoun's top players will be committed to the higher level teams so that, if they still field CCL teams, they won't be as competitive. Or, Loudoun's top players may not get to break into the FCV group, which leaves those players to decide to stay and maintain the quality of their CCL teams or to leave and another club benefits from those players. I'm not sure why Arlington is in this conversation since they are no longer in the DA picture, so those teams will still be good if all those players stay.

But, without knowing what clubs are still in CCL or what clubs get added to CCL, it's a little premature to compare to NCSL for next year. The major difference between the leagues (development vs promotion/relegation) should not change.

And this really is the decision of what you want to gain out of youth soccer. Do you want your player to become better and have opportunities to move on to play in college? I think CCL has that focus. Do you want your player to be on a team that focuses on winning and filling the trophy case so they have their glory days to look back on? I think that is NCSL.

How about if you just want your kids to play soccer at a level that challenges them without spending 15 hours a week in a car or dealing with psychos? Any options for that?

[Anonymous]

None of these teams are going to drop out of the CCL. BRYC is the only club that does not have a large player pool behind their A team. McLean currently fields teams in both the ECNL and CCL. Of course the quality is not up to par in the older age groups. Several of the ECNL girls dress out for CCL matches but never enter for a CCL match. I agree that the CCL has a hard time promoting that it is an elite league when more and more of NOVA's top teams commit to DA and ECNL on both the boys and girls side. It would take teams like Beach FC and SOCA to say this is not for us before it truly folds.

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Anonymous wrote:With as many clubs as there are in NOVA, clubs should really focus on having an all inclusive league where the non-ECNL/DA teams can all compete against each other.

Will Arlington and Loudon lead to the removal of their teams from CCL? Is CCL really better than NCSL or can you find good and bad teams in both leagues.

please review the past 340 pages of posts for the various opinions so that we don't have to dredge up that debate again

Like it or not, the restructuring of the area landscape coming this fall changes the debate on CCL's relevance/role in the regional soccer market.

I guess I agree with that. Certainly BRYC and Loudoun's top players will be committed to the higher level teams so that, if they still field CCL teams, they won't be as competitive. Or, Loudoun's top players may not get to break into the FCV group, which leaves those players to decide to stay and maintain the quality of their CCL teams or to leave and another club benefits from those players. I'm not sure why Arlington is in this conversation since they are no longer in the DA picture, so those teams will still be good if all those players stay.

But, without knowing what clubs are still in CCL or what clubs get added to CCL, it's a little premature to compare to NCSL for next year. The major difference between the leagues (development vs promotion/relegation) should not change.

Why would you spend 15 hours a week in a car due to soccer? Do you not own a map?

And this really is the decision of what you want to gain out of youth soccer. Do you want your player to become better and have opportunities to move on to play in college? I think CCL has that focus. Do you want your player to be on a team that focuses on winning and filling the trophy case so they have their glory days to look back on? I think that is NCSL.

How about if you just want your kids to play soccer at a level that challenges them without spending 15 hours a week in a car or dealing with psychos? Any options for that?

[Anonymous]

Why would you spend 15 hours a week in a car due to soccer? Do you not own a map?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of these teams are going to drop out of the CCL. BRYC is the only club that does not have a large player pool behind their A team. McLean currently fields teams in both the ECNL and CCL. Of course the quality is not up to par in the older age groups. Several of the ECNL girls dress out for CCL matches but never enter for a CCL match. I agree that the CCL has a hard time promoting that it is an elite league when more and more of NOVA's top teams commit to DA and ECNL on both the boys and girls side. It would take teams like Beach FC and SOCA to say this is not for us before it truly folds.

DA has existed on the Boys side and ECNL on the girls side for nearly a decade now. CCL has not been an "elite" league for some time now. CCL is a nice local league that is great for kids until U12.

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How about if you just want your kids to play soccer at a level that challenges them without spending 15 hours a week in a car or dealing with psychos? Any options for that?

kettle??

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Anonymous wrote:With as many clubs as there are in NOVA, clubs should really focus on having an all inclusive league where the non-ECNL/DA teams can all compete against each other.

Will Arlington and Loudon lead to the removal of their teams from CCL? Is CCL really better than NCSL or can you find good and bad teams in both leagues.

please review the past 340 pages of posts for the various opinions so that we don't have to dredge up that debate again

Like it or not, the restructuring of the area landscape coming this fall changes the debate on CCL's relevance/role in the regional soccer market.

I guess I agree with that. Certainly BRYC and Loudoun's top players will be committed to the higher level teams so that, if they still field CCL teams, they won't be as competitive. Or, Loudoun's top players may not get to break into the FCV group, which leaves those players to decide to stay and maintain the quality of their CCL teams or to leave and another club benefits from those players. I'm not sure why Arlington is in this conversation since they are no longer in the DA picture, so those teams will still be good if all those players stay.

But, without knowing what clubs are still in CCL or what clubs get added to CCL, it's a little premature to compare to NCSL for next year. The major difference between the leagues (development vs promotion/relegation) should not change.

And this really is the decision of what you want to gain out of youth soccer. Do you want your player to become better and have opportunities to move on to play in college? I think CCL has that focus. Do you want your player to be on a team that focuses on winning and filling the trophy case so they have their glory days to look back on? I think that is NCSL.

Are you paid to be a CCL shill? I can't imagine anyone who knows soccer in this area believes that all CCL coaches follow the "development" best practices that CCL's promotional materials tout, nor that most coaches of NCSL teams are focused on winning to the detriment of development. It all comes down to the particular coach, and to a lesser extent the Club's values. I say this as a parent whose child played in NCSL for years, and had a great developmental coach who was obsessed with skills and taught him everything he needed to succeed in the DA. Most of his DA friends also never played in CCL either, and all have opportunities to play in college or are already playing in college.

This is a pipe dream, I know, but I'd love to see the folks in charge of CCL and NCLS get together to actually figure out a way to permit all the area kids to once again be able to play each other without having to go to Region 1 or EDP. Seems like the people that insisted on rules that made NCSL and WAGS onerous on clubs must be gone by now, and I think every single club and coach in the area by now has the message that you need to focus on development (or claim that you do) in order to attract players.