The lawsuit against Royal Caribbean/toddler death

[Anonymous]

Even if you were standing right next to him as it happened it would be very hard to see anything down below from that high up. White outfit. White pavement.
Normal people don’t lean out 11th floor windows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was the grandfather drunk?

Some earlier posters said that both he and the parents had been drinking. I don't know if that's accurate or not. I have seen the video and it does not look like he's staggering, weaving or anything like that.

Plenty of parents (and grandparents) would have a few drinks on a cruise ship, pretty much NONE of them would have dropped a baby out of an 11 story window, though.

[Anonymous]

He clearly knew the window was open and the drop outside of it. He claimed he thought the window was closed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was the grandfather drunk?

No, they had just boarded the boat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was the grandfather drunk?

No, they had just boarded the boat.

That means absolutely nothing. He could have been drinking beforehand or had a few right after they boarded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was the grandfather drunk?

No, they had just boarded the boat.

That means absolutely nothing. He could have been drinking beforehand or had a few right after they boarded.

I seriously doubt they had been drinking before hand.

I worked on a cruise line 10 years ago and you may not notice it when you are boarding a cruise, but while you are being checked in the staff is trained to be exceptionally diligent to look for signs that someone is either under the influence or unstable.

They are trained to analyze your demeanor, to make eye contact, they ask you non evasive questions to see if you're slurring your words ('where are you guys coming from?" etc), because they know that a passenger boarding a cruise ship that's under the influence of alcohol or drugs is a HUGE liability.

Passengers would never notice this because it's supposed to be seamless and unnoticeable.

The bartenders are trained to keep an eye out for passengers who seem to have a drinking problem while the cruise is ongoing.

You have to remember, this occurred either during the boarding process or post boarding check through, meaning they were still in port.

Cruise lines don't supply hard liquor while they are still in port - champagne, wine, beer a fruity drink with an umbrella, etc. yes, but nothing that they can pound so they are drunk as a skunk during post boarding check through.

On top of all of this... I absolutely do not believe that both parents would be drunk,with their kids, while to embark on the cruise. I also doubt believe that they'd allow drunk grandpa to be picking up the kids on railings.

Yes, good judgment was NOT used by the grandfather, nor is it being used by the parents now with this baseless lawsuit (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt because they're grieving terribly) however, I dont believethat they were all drunk

Grandpa clearly wasn't used to holding a wriggly toddler on a high up railing (the fact that she was ALLOWED to bang on windows at home and ar her brothers game tells me that Chloe didnt have much adult supervision restraining her from doing such things).

Was Chloe's father on board? I can't remember..
If he was, he is a police officer and trained to look for signs of someone being impaired... do you honestly believe her father, the police officer and his children's protector, would have allowed someone who's impaired to pick up his toddler and hold her out over open windows?

Regardless of whether he was on vacation with the family, I do not believe for one second that Chloe's mother or father would have allowed grandpa to have such unimpeded access to Chloe, if they'd known he'd drinking... they seem like terribly rational people who are hurting.

That baby would have been on my hip and that's where she would have stayed if someone was drinking around her.

Oh and btw, nowhere has it been stated in any article or by any police agency or the cruise line that he was under the influence.
That was pure SPECULATION by posters on this board, nothing more.

Has everyone seen that the lawyer is doubling down on his statements (even though they've proven it didn't occur in a "child's play area" or that he didn't know the window wasn't open)?

That lawyer is a total parasite.

[Anonymous]

^^^ sorry for all of the typos, I'm on the train and my battery is dying!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was the grandfather drunk?

No, they had just boarded the boat.

That means absolutely nothing. He could have been drinking beforehand or had a few right after they boarded.

I seriously doubt they had been drinking before hand.

I worked on a cruise line 10 years ago and you may not notice it when you are boarding a cruise, but while you are being checked in the staff is trained to be exceptionally diligent to look for signs that someone is either under the influence or unstable.

They are trained to analyze your demeanor, to make eye contact, they ask you non evasive questions to see if you're slurring your words ('where are you guys coming from?" etc), because they know that a passenger boarding a cruise ship that's under the influence of alcohol or drugs is a HUGE liability.

Passengers would never notice this because it's supposed to be seamless and unnoticeable.

The bartenders are trained to keep an eye out for passengers who seem to have a drinking problem while the cruise is ongoing.

You have to remember, this occurred either during the boarding process or post boarding check through, meaning they were still in port.

Cruise lines don't supply hard liquor while they are still in port - champagne, wine, beer a fruity drink with an umbrella, etc. yes, but nothing that they can pound so they are drunk as a skunk during post boarding check through.

On top of all of this... I absolutely do not believe that both parents would be drunk,with their kids, while to embark on the cruise. I also doubt believe that they'd allow drunk grandpa to be picking up the kids on railings.

Yes, good judgment was NOT used by the grandfather, nor is it being used by the parents now with this baseless lawsuit (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt because they're grieving terribly) however, I dont believethat they were all drunk

Grandpa clearly wasn't used to holding a wriggly toddler on a high up railing (the fact that she was ALLOWED to bang on windows at home and ar her brothers game tells me that Chloe didnt have much adult supervision restraining her from doing such things).

Was Chloe's father on board? I can't remember..
If he was, he is a police officer and trained to look for signs of someone being impaired... do you honestly believe her father, the police officer and his children's protector, would have allowed someone who's impaired to pick up his toddler and hold her out over open windows?

Regardless of whether he was on vacation with the family, I do not believe for one second that Chloe's mother or father would have allowed grandpa to have such unimpeded access to Chloe, if they'd known he'd drinking... they seem like terribly rational people who are hurting.

That baby would have been on my hip and that's where she would have stayed if someone was drinking around her.

Oh and btw, nowhere has it been stated in any article or by any police agency or the cruise line that he was under the influence.
That was pure SPECULATION by posters on this board, nothing more.

Has everyone seen that the lawyer is doubling down on his statements (even though they've proven it didn't occur in a "child's play area" or that he didn't know the window wasn't open)?

That lawyer is a total parasite.

Very informative, thank you for typing this all out.

It’s funny you say that because the last cruise I went on, I could surmise they were feeling us out to see if we’d been partaking before boarding as they were giving us our cabin info.

The person at the check in desk was acting a little too overzealously “Colombo-like” with the nonchalant questioning, but then he tried to overcompensate his interrogation with this big cheesy unnatural smile plastered on his face.
It was a bit strange and somewhat creepy, I kept feeling like we were getting Punk’d, lol.

[Anonymous]

I expect that they don’t want passengers to be drunk when they report to the safety tutorial that occurs a couple hours after boarding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I expect that they don’t want passengers to be drunk when they report to the safety tutorial that occurs a couple hours after boarding.

Exactly... the mustering stations!

Can’t skip out on that even if you tried, they’ll come hunting for you, lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I expect that they don’t want passengers to be drunk when they report to the safety tutorial that occurs a couple hours after boarding.

There is no rule against this. The bars are open the moment you board and muster isn’t until 4/4:30. Not saying this applies here.

[Anonymous]

I haven't been able to bring myself to watch the video, I just can't.

Yes, I realize that they don't actually show the drop and fall, however it's just SO hard to fathom that she's on the video and only moments later that sweet baby was dead.

To all those who have watched it, does it show absolutely conclusive evidence of (accidental) negligence against the grandfather?

The lawyer representing this family is SUCH a
freaking sleazeball, ambulance chasing, blood sucking parasite... how do people like that even look at themselves in the mirror or sleep at night?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I haven't been able to bring myself to watch the video, I just can't.

Yes, I realize that they don't actually show the drop and fall, however it's just SO hard to fathom that she's on the video and only moments later that sweet baby was dead.

To all those who have watched it, does it show absolutely conclusive evidence of (accidental) negligence against the grandfather?

The lawyer representing this family is SUCH a
freaking sleazeball, ambulance chasing, blood sucking parasite... how do people like that even look at themselves in the mirror or sleep at night?

There are pages and pages of discussion on this thread that answer the question. It’s also extensively written in a multitude of news outlets. There’s no need to watch the video to know the answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I haven't been able to bring myself to watch the video, I just can't.

Yes, I realize that they don't actually show the drop and fall, however it's just SO hard to fathom that she's on the video and only moments later that sweet baby was dead.

To all those who have watched it, does it show absolutely conclusive evidence of (accidental) negligence against the grandfather?

The lawyer representing this family is SUCH a
freaking sleazeball, ambulance chasing, blood sucking parasite... how do people like that even look at themselves in the mirror or sleep at night?

Nothing shows accidental negligence. Criminal negligence, yes. Holding children (or anyone of any age) outside of a window 11 stories up is ludicrously stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I haven't been able to bring myself to watch the video, I just can't.

Yes, I realize that they don't actually show the drop and fall, however it's just SO hard to fathom that she's on the video and only moments later that sweet baby was dead.

To all those who have watched it, does it show absolutely conclusive evidence of (accidental) negligence against the grandfather?

The lawyer representing this family is SUCH a
freaking sleazeball, ambulance chasing, blood sucking parasite... how do people like that even look at themselves in the mirror or sleep at night?

And the same can be said for the parents who have chosen to hire him. That lawyer isn’t doing this all by himself.