FCV DA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dude, in the VERY next post, I did say the ROSTER for next year (which has been finalized, and is known amongst players, parents, and others in the club.) So yes, something that has not yet happened yet, but has been decided.

And that proof demonstrates the other side of the same coin, little to no outside interest in FCV.

You want balance. For years the balance was with many outside players and recruitment. Now the balance is very few outside players, INDICATING little no no outside interest in the club.

Neither scenario is ideal. This is not a matter of moving the goal posts. Supply and demand are the issue now and there are just to many as good options for talented players to simply stay where they are or move only to the geographic closest best option. The majority of players interested in FCV or any other club frankly are players who's parents feel their own club overlooked their child or just no longer wish to remain. Many are also B and C team players seeing if they can get lucky and hop onto a DA or ECNL team in another club hoping a set of fresh eyes will see them differently. But that is far from TOP talent truly seeking FCV or other cubs out as in days not to long ago.

And this is not a bash on FCV, this is what the landscape is now and for the foreseeable future. The constant attacks on Spirit/Metro are indicative of this landscape. FCV isn't afraid of Metro now, but they are concerned about the overall hit on diluting the player pool overall for them going forward. Loudoun getting ECNL has dried up the well significantly for FCV. If posts here are indicators that confirms the overall lack of interest form a neighboring club that did provide a number of players over the years.

So now the question is how will FCV fare going forward? Did they develop quality players and teams? We'll soon see. If they did, then they will be fine, if they didn't it will be shown soon.

Do you do this deep of a dive for every club or have some obsession with tearing down FCV?

This is moving the goalposts. I will agree on one thing. Too many "elite" level teams for one area will dilute the talent. However, the GDA (at this moment) still provides the top level of soccer especially for the younger ages. FCV is the top of THAT level and will be a desirable destination. Could things change? Of course. At the moment, Arlington MU and FCV(STJ) are competing for GDA players. Arlington will get their share, MU is full of uncertainty in terms of viability and success and FCV has some questions given the STJ merger. How this all plays out is a GUESS nothing more. As far as next year goes, what is most likely is that FCV will still have the strongest girls teams at the ages having ECNL and GDA in the area. The ECNL clubs will battle each other for the same players and are doing so right as we speak and it is a crap shoot on who wins that battle (my money is on McLean since Clyde and Nadir are there) and VDA (protected by geography). FCV will keep almost all of their top players so expecting things to drop off isn't realistic for next year. MU will improve albeit slightly as rosters supposedly shrink. Arlington will likely have little turnover as well since they have shown that historically.

But to come on here and say that Loudoun is all of a sudden going to go gangbusters at the older ages is just hoping against historical evidence.

FCV is simply an example of what all clubs are facing. How many outside kids went to Loudoun's 07 tryouts for example? My guess is hardly any. That is the point. This isn't just a FCV thing, this is a thing that FCV, along with many other clubs have to contend with.

Loudoun has always maintained that their poor records at older ages have been because they lost top talent to FCV and McLean for years. Well, now starting at 07 with little defections Loudoun has a chance to prove what they can accomplish with retaining talent.

FCV now has the chance to prove that they can truly develop now that there is little outside interest.

It is going to be harder now than ever for any club to monopolize talent. Loudoun is in a great position with their rec program and size but they can no longer be lazy on the development side either or they will be embarrassingly bad at higher levels if they fail to truly develop their players.

This is spot on. Loudoun has a great opportunity to plan a REAL player development program. Their technical academy and striker clinics are terrible. We had to go to HP Elite just to supplement basics like foot skills and finishing...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As with many of the top clubs in the country, the best players usually join there once they hit U13 or somewhere around that. Most kids start out at their local club, where practices are convenient, and then talent tends to aggregate together whether "recruited" or not. Most parents are willing to drive once their kids are older as well, and they show more commitment and are more serious about getting better. A club (any club) shouldn't be knocked just because kids didn't start there when they are 5, especially if they live 30 miles + away.

+1 (and we moved to FCV for coaching from another large Loudoun club. Our DD just outgrew the training and needed something new to get her to the next level. Now she plays on ECNL and practices with DA).

Your daughter plays for Loudoun ECNL and practices with FCV? How exactly does that work for Loudoun’s (insert other club if not Loudoun) staff? As a coach, I wouldn’t accept my elite player practicing with another club and team full time no matter what.

[Anonymous]

My guess is she plays ECNL RL at FCV and is a DP who does not see the field (like all dps at fcv)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My guess is she plays ECNL RL at FCV and is a DP who does not see the field (like all dps at fcv)

Ummm, ok. In that case the move from Loudoun to the older FCV NPL team was a step down, considering even Loudoun ECNL > NPL and FCV PT DA is essentially a carrot to keep parents paying, as you mentioned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is she plays ECNL RL at FCV and is a DP who does not see the field (like all dps at fcv)

Ummm, ok. In that case the move from Loudoun to the older FCV NPL team was a step down, considering even Loudoun ECNL > NPL and FCV PT DA is essentially a carrot to keep parents paying, as you mentioned.

Maybe, maybe not. She might be an 06 playing on the 05 NPL team and PT with 06 DA. Therefore she gets coached by Gus on 05 NPL and still gets PT training on the 06 DA team. Best of both worlds for now and doesn’t have to pay the DA fees until and if she’s ready to make the full DA squad. Plus who knows, maybe she’s got a good carpool situation going. Wink, wink.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is she plays ECNL RL at FCV and is a DP who does not see the field (like all dps at fcv)

Ummm, ok. In that case the move from Loudoun to the older FCV NPL team was a step down, considering even Loudoun ECNL > NPL and FCV PT DA is essentially a carrot to keep parents paying, as you mentioned.

Maybe, maybe not. She might be an 06 playing on the 05 NPL team and PT with 06 DA. Therefore she gets coached by Gus on 05 NPL and still gets PT training on the 06 DA team. Best of both worlds for now and doesn’t have to pay the DA fees until and if she’s ready to make the full DA squad. Plus who knows, maybe she’s got a good carpool situation going. Wink, wink.

I’d rather have my kid play loudoun ECNL, no question

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is she plays ECNL RL at FCV and is a DP who does not see the field (like all dps at fcv)

Ummm, ok. In that case the move from Loudoun to the older FCV NPL team was a step down, considering even Loudoun ECNL > NPL and FCV PT DA is essentially a carrot to keep parents paying, as you mentioned.

Maybe, maybe not. She might be an 06 playing on the 05 NPL team and PT with 06 DA. Therefore she gets coached by Gus on 05 NPL and still gets PT training on the 06 DA team. Best of both worlds for now and doesn’t have to pay the DA fees until and if she’s ready to make the full DA squad. Plus who knows, maybe she’s got a good carpool situation going. Wink, wink.

Or maybe, FCV is gonna do what they do and bring in outside kids, see 3 VDA 06’s. And if they come aboard that is 3 more kids in your way. If your DD daughter couldn’t leap frog the already bench kids on the DA team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is she plays ECNL RL at FCV and is a DP who does not see the field (like all dps at fcv)

Ummm, ok. In that case the move from Loudoun to the older FCV NPL team was a step down, considering even Loudoun ECNL > NPL and FCV PT DA is essentially a carrot to keep parents paying, as you mentioned.

Maybe, maybe not. She might be an 06 playing on the 05 NPL team and PT with 06 DA. Therefore she gets coached by Gus on 05 NPL and still gets PT training on the 06 DA team. Best of both worlds for now and doesn’t have to pay the DA fees until and if she’s ready to make the full DA squad. Plus who knows, maybe she’s got a good carpool situation going. Wink, wink.

Or maybe, FCV is gonna do what they do and bring in outside kids, see 3 VDA 06’s. And if they come aboard that is 3 more kids in your way. If your DD daughter couldn’t leap frog the already bench kids on the DA team.

+1 this guy knows what he's talking about. PT at FCV is a way to park parents' $$. Better off playing elsewhere at an option that will get your kid meaningfully on the field.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is she plays ECNL RL at FCV and is a DP who does not see the field (like all dps at fcv)

Ummm, ok. In that case the move from Loudoun to the older FCV NPL team was a step down, considering even Loudoun ECNL > NPL and FCV PT DA is essentially a carrot to keep parents paying, as you mentioned.

She's on ECNL RL (used to be VPL apparently) which we didn't even know happened until they handed us ECNL patches after a game one day... It was odd, but we rolled with it since DD was practicing PT with DA anyway (she wants to play HS ball and swims - so has no intention of FT GDA whatsoever). We moved from Loudoun solely because of the training. Can't speak for 05 ECNL at Loudoun, but we hear just as many complaints about their program as FCV DA (at least 07, 06, and 05 levels). And nope - don't pay $$$ for DA training, and we don't have a carpool either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is she plays ECNL RL at FCV and is a DP who does not see the field (like all dps at fcv)

Ummm, ok. In that case the move from Loudoun to the older FCV NPL team was a step down, considering even Loudoun ECNL > NPL and FCV PT DA is essentially a carrot to keep parents paying, as you mentioned.

Maybe, maybe not. She might be an 06 playing on the 05 NPL team and PT with 06 DA. Therefore she gets coached by Gus on 05 NPL and still gets PT training on the 06 DA team. Best of both worlds for now and doesn’t have to pay the DA fees until and if she’s ready to make the full DA squad. Plus who knows, maybe she’s got a good carpool situation going. Wink, wink.

I’d rather have my kid play loudoun ECNL, no question

And several people on Loudoun ECNL have issues with the coaching and training. It's all personal preference and club decisions should be about the best fit for your CHILD. There are fantastic players in both clubs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is she plays ECNL RL at FCV and is a DP who does not see the field (like all dps at fcv)

Ummm, ok. In that case the move from Loudoun to the older FCV NPL team was a step down, considering even Loudoun ECNL > NPL and FCV PT DA is essentially a carrot to keep parents paying, as you mentioned.

She's on ECNL RL (used to be VPL apparently) which we didn't even know happened until they handed us ECNL patches after a game one day... It was odd, but we rolled with it since DD was practicing PT with DA anyway (she wants to play HS ball and swims - so has no intention of FT GDA whatsoever). We moved from Loudoun solely because of the training. Can't speak for 05 ECNL at Loudoun, but we hear just as many complaints about their program as FCV DA (at least 07, 06, and 05 levels). And nope - don't pay $$$ for DA training, and we don't have a carpool either.

That makes sense. You are aware that the ECNL regional patch doesn't really mean anything, right? As long as you are comfortable in the fact that 99% of kids rostered as PT at FCV will never sniff the DA field in a meaningful way, you should be fine. There are folks here who want their kids to have good chances to play in showcases but it's clear you aren't one of them, which is OK. For any gripes about Loudoun or other true ECNL programs, those kids will get many. many more looks than the FCV 2nd team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is she plays ECNL RL at FCV and is a DP who does not see the field (like all dps at fcv)

Ummm, ok. In that case the move from Loudoun to the older FCV NPL team was a step down, considering even Loudoun ECNL > NPL and FCV PT DA is essentially a carrot to keep parents paying, as you mentioned.

She's on ECNL RL (used to be VPL apparently) which we didn't even know happened until they handed us ECNL patches after a game one day... It was odd, but we rolled with it since DD was practicing PT with DA anyway (she wants to play HS ball and swims - so has no intention of FT GDA whatsoever). We moved from Loudoun solely because of the training. Can't speak for 05 ECNL at Loudoun, but we hear just as many complaints about their program as FCV DA (at least 07, 06, and 05 levels). And nope - don't pay $$$ for DA training, and we don't have a carpool either.

That makes sense. You are aware that the ECNL regional patch doesn't really mean anything, right? As long as you are comfortable in the fact that 99% of kids rostered as PT at FCV will never sniff the DA field in a meaningful way, you should be fine. There are folks here who want their kids to have good chances to play in showcases but it's clear you aren't one of them, which is OK. For any gripes about Loudoun or other true ECNL programs, those kids will get many. many more looks than the FCV 2nd team.

We know absolutely nothing about "Regional League" for ECNL. And she wants to play HS so DA isn't important, just the training (which is why we switched). We have played in three showcases, so not sure what that means? She's in 8th grade, so not super worried about college looks until next year.

[Anonymous]

You should be careful about posting so much identifying information-coaches read these boards too!! There are not many PT 06 players to begin with and to say you came from
Loudoun pretty much calls your player out. Just some helpful advice!!

To those in the know-have the VDA players at the ID sessions agreed to make the switch to FCV? I would imagine they are the bench players at VDA or why would they want to leave? Promise of greater college exposure?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is she plays ECNL RL at FCV and is a DP who does not see the field (like all dps at fcv)

Ummm, ok. In that case the move from Loudoun to the older FCV NPL team was a step down, considering even Loudoun ECNL > NPL and FCV PT DA is essentially a carrot to keep parents paying, as you mentioned.

She's on ECNL RL (used to be VPL apparently) which we didn't even know happened until they handed us ECNL patches after a game one day... It was odd, but we rolled with it since DD was practicing PT with DA anyway (she wants to play HS ball and swims - so has no intention of FT GDA whatsoever). We moved from Loudoun solely because of the training. Can't speak for 05 ECNL at Loudoun, but we hear just as many complaints about their program as FCV DA (at least 07, 06, and 05 levels). And nope - don't pay $$$ for DA training, and we don't have a carpool either.

That makes sense. You are aware that the ECNL regional patch doesn't really mean anything, right? As long as you are comfortable in the fact that 99% of kids rostered as PT at FCV will never sniff the DA field in a meaningful way, you should be fine. There are folks here who want their kids to have good chances to play in showcases but it's clear you aren't one of them, which is OK. For any gripes about Loudoun or other true ECNL programs, those kids will get many. many more looks than the FCV 2nd team.

We know absolutely nothing about "Regional League" for ECNL. And she wants to play HS so DA isn't important, just the training (which is why we switched). We have played in three showcases, so not sure what that means? She's in 8th grade, so not super worried about college looks until next year.

No matter, it sounds like FCV playing its second team in ECNL RL will be short lived. Not quite sure what league is next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You should be careful about posting so much identifying information-coaches read these boards too!! There are not many PT 06 players to begin with and to say you came from
Loudoun pretty much calls your player out. Just some helpful advice!!

To those in the know-have the VDA players at the ID sessions agreed to make the switch to FCV? I would imagine they are the bench players at VDA or why would they want to leave? Promise of greater college exposure?

Promise of more playing time at FCV. Breaking into the starting 11 at VDA 06 is not in the cards. FCV can move 3 from the current team to NPL.