First day drop off -- MD tags

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At Deal there are many cars each morning w md and va tags. It is really frustrating because it is overcrowded

If you are willing to stick yourself out there, take a photo of the cars with plates or write them down. If it's a caregiver dropping off, they probably won't notice or care. But I guarantee you that if the parent is a fraudster who is afraid of being noticed, they will get agitated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8:35 @ Amidon -Bowen. 4 MD tags and 1 VA tag dropping off kids right in front of the school. No other cars, and no principal. Don't tell me they're nannies; this is a title 1 school with extended day.

8:40 @ Amidon -Bowen. 3 MD tags, 1 VA tag and 1 DC tag dropping off kids right in front of the school. No other cars, and no principal.

8:30 @ Amidon -Bowen. 2 MD tags, and 2 DC tags dropping off kids right in front of the school. No other cars, and no principal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. It is frustrating that you are so narrow minded and obsessed with the thought that someone is cheating you out of some thing that you already hhave. You make up boogeyman to scare you in the dark: the numbers posted for fraud investigation did NOT actually point to a ton of fraud. Quite the opposite. Families are also, as many have indicated here, sometimes fluid things. A child might be perfectly obligated to go to a dc school, and still have someone with "out of state" plates driving them thete. Either you are the kind of person who gets their jollies off of having four year olds investigated for possible residence fraud--or you are not. Which one are you?

PP, personally I think you're an idiot and a DCPS troll (which may be redundant). There is a lot of blatant residency fraud, and the principals need to be out there taking note when an out-of-state car pulls up with a kid to drop off. It's not conclusive evidence of fraud, but it sure needs a second look. Just saying that I got 2 pieces of paper from the family substantiating residence isn't enough when there's a red flag out there, i.e. a car with Md. tags dropping off a student. As previously posted, there aren't out-of-state nannies dropping off kids EoTP - over here we walk if we actually live here.

Fraud in DCPS affects all DC residents, because WE PAY FOR IT. But you probably live in Md. anyhow and wouldn't dare send your kids to the very same schools you work for. Be a public servant, get off you azz, and make sure the law is followed. Thank you.

Our EOTP nanny lives in Maryland. I look forward to all of you reporting us for residency fraud if she picks our daughter up after school in her car on cold, rainy days this winter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
People have posted many categories of students who live in MD and legally attend DC school (kids in kinship care, foster care, or who are homeless which includes doubled up in housing). They've also posted that many kids who technically live in DC may be riding in MD cars because of joint custody and grandparents providing child care. Nannies are one of many reasons, and the only reason on the list that's more likely to apply WOTP than EOTP.

Yes, I'm sure there is fraud. But that doesn't mean that every single or even the majority who come to school in DC in MD cars are committing fraud. In addition, many of our most vulnerable kids, especially homeless kids, are in this category. Harassing them isn't the solution.

You're engaging in the same logical fallacy you're criticizing.

Because some students who arrive in cars with Maryland plates are cheaters doesn't mean all are.
Because some students who arrive in cars with Maryland plates aren't cheaters doesn't mean none are.

We have no way of knowing the relative abundance of the two groups. That's OSSE's job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. It is frustrating that you are so narrow minded and obsessed with the thought that someone is cheating you out of some thing that you already hhave. You make up boogeyman to scare you in the dark: the numbers posted for fraud investigation did NOT actually point to a ton of fraud. Quite the opposite. Families are also, as many have indicated here, sometimes fluid things. A child might be perfectly obligated to go to a dc school, and still have someone with "out of state" plates driving them thete. Either you are the kind of person who gets their jollies off of having four year olds investigated for possible residence fraud--or you are not. Which one are you?

PP, personally I think you're an idiot and a DCPS troll (which may be redundant). There is a lot of blatant residency fraud, and the principals need to be out there taking note when an out-of-state car pulls up with a kid to drop off. It's not conclusive evidence of fraud, but it sure needs a second look. Just saying that I got 2 pieces of paper from the family substantiating residence isn't enough when there's a red flag out there, i.e. a car with Md. tags dropping off a student. As previously posted, there aren't out-of-state nannies dropping off kids EoTP - over here we walk if we actually live here.

Fraud in DCPS affects all DC residents, because WE PAY FOR IT. But you probably live in Md. anyhow and wouldn't dare send your kids to the very same schools you work for. Be a public servant, get off you azz, and make sure the law is followed. Thank you.

Our EOTP nanny lives in Maryland. I look forward to all of you reporting us for residency fraud if she picks our daughter up after school in her car on cold, rainy days this winter.

Then the school should be able to dispose of any question very quickly, no?

I think anyone seeing kids alight from MD vehicles has a pretty gut impression of whether it is parents vs. grandparents or a caregiver dropping off/picking up, particularly when it happens regularly.

I'm frankly surprised at a lot of the laissez faire attitude about fraud and cheating on this board. Either certain posters are trying for themselves or someone they know and therefore want to trivialize or explain away the issue, or maybe it's just an "old DC" cultural attitude -- that folks do what they need to do and that cheating, working inside angles and taking unfair advantage are to be expected in connection with any post, service or benefit provided by the DC government.

[Anonymous]

PP above -- "trying to cover for themselves or someone they know..."

[Anonymous]

PP -- You're probably arguing with DCPS employees from central office and administrators in the schools, who monitor this site regularly. No sensible citizen would argue with you about preventing fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP -- You're probably arguing with DCPS employees from central office and administrators in the schools, who monitor this site regularly. No sensible citizen would argue with you about preventing fraud.

Some may be doing it themselves. There was a longtime principal in NW who lived in Maryland and yet had his kid in his own DCPS school!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. It is frustrating that you are so narrow minded and obsessed with the thought that someone is cheating you out of some thing that you already hhave. You make up boogeyman to scare you in the dark: the numbers posted for fraud investigation did NOT actually point to a ton of fraud. Quite the opposite. Families are also, as many have indicated here, sometimes fluid things. A child might be perfectly obligated to go to a dc school, and still have someone with "out of state" plates driving them thete. Either you are the kind of person who gets their jollies off of having four year olds investigated for possible residence fraud--or you are not. Which one are you?

PP, personally I think you're an idiot and a DCPS troll (which may be redundant). There is a lot of blatant residency fraud, and the principals need to be out there taking note when an out-of-state car pulls up with a kid to drop off. It's not conclusive evidence of fraud, but it sure needs a second look. Just saying that I got 2 pieces of paper from the family substantiating residence isn't enough when there's a red flag out there, i.e. a car with Md. tags dropping off a student. As previously posted, there aren't out-of-state nannies dropping off kids EoTP - over here we walk if we actually live here.

Fraud in DCPS affects all DC residents, because WE PAY FOR IT. But you probably live in Md. anyhow and wouldn't dare send your kids to the very same schools you work for. Be a public servant, get off you azz, and make sure the law is followed. Thank you.

Our EOTP nanny lives in Maryland. I look forward to all of you reporting us for residency fraud if she picks our daughter up after school in her car on cold, rainy days this winter.

Then the school should be able to dispose of any question very quickly, no?

I think anyone seeing kids alight from MD vehicles has a pretty gut impression of whether it is parents vs. grandparents or a caregiver dropping off/picking up, particularly when it happens regularly.

I'm frankly surprised at a lot of the laissez faire attitude about fraud and cheating on this board. Either certain posters are trying for themselves or someone they know and therefore want to trivialize or explain away the issue, or maybe it's just an "old DC" cultural attitude -- that folks do what they need to do and that cheating, working inside angles and taking unfair advantage are to be expected in connection with any post, service or benefit provided by the DC government.

NP, Or maybe, just maybe you and others say the same old tired crap month after month. All you do is bitch and whine, bitch and whine. Do something already. People who disagree with you are not trying to protect anyone, nor are they, wait for it, trolls. We just think you all are a bunch of whiny, mamby, pamby, bitter, wussies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP -- You're probably arguing with DCPS employees from central office and administrators in the schools, who monitor this site regularly. No sensible citizen would argue with you about preventing fraud.

Some may be doing it themselves. There was a longtime principal in NW who lived in Maryland and yet had his kid in his own DCPS school!

I'm almost certain that this is actually allowed by DCPS. They can enroll their children - it's a fringe benefit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. It is frustrating that you are so narrow minded and obsessed with the thought that someone is cheating you out of some thing that you already hhave. You make up boogeyman to scare you in the dark: the numbers posted for fraud investigation did NOT actually point to a ton of fraud. Quite the opposite. Families are also, as many have indicated here, sometimes fluid things. A child might be perfectly obligated to go to a dc school, and still have someone with "out of state" plates driving them thete. Either you are the kind of person who gets their jollies off of having four year olds investigated for possible residence fraud--or you are not. Which one are you?

PP, personally I think you're an idiot and a DCPS troll (which may be redundant). There is a lot of blatant residency fraud, and the principals need to be out there taking note when an out-of-state car pulls up with a kid to drop off. It's not conclusive evidence of fraud, but it sure needs a second look. Just saying that I got 2 pieces of paper from the family substantiating residence isn't enough when there's a red flag out there, i.e. a car with Md. tags dropping off a student. As previously posted, there aren't out-of-state nannies dropping off kids EoTP - over here we walk if we actually live here.

Fraud in DCPS affects all DC residents, because WE PAY FOR IT. But you probably live in Md. anyhow and wouldn't dare send your kids to the very same schools you work for. Be a public servant, get off you azz, and make sure the law is followed. Thank you.

Our EOTP nanny lives in Maryland. I look forward to all of you reporting us for residency fraud if she picks our daughter up after school in her car on cold, rainy days this winter.

Then the school should be able to dispose of any question very quickly, no?

I think anyone seeing kids alight from MD vehicles has a pretty gut impression of whether it is parents vs. grandparents or a caregiver dropping off/picking up, particularly when it happens regularly.

I'm frankly surprised at a lot of the laissez faire attitude about fraud and cheating on this board. Either certain posters are trying for themselves or someone they know and therefore want to trivialize or explain away the issue, or maybe it's just an "old DC" cultural attitude -- that folks do what they need to do and that cheating, working inside angles and taking unfair advantage are to be expected in connection with any post, service or benefit provided by the DC government.

NP, Or maybe, just maybe you and others say the same old tired crap month after month. All you do is bitch and whine, bitch and whine. Do something already. People who disagree with you are not trying to protect anyone, nor are they, wait for it, trolls. We just think you all are a bunch of whiny, mamby, pamby, bitter, wussies.

If you can figure out which side the trolls are on then you are more perceptive than me. Seems like they come from all sides on this topic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP -- You're probably arguing with DCPS employees from central office and administrators in the schools, who monitor this site regularly. No sensible citizen would argue with you about preventing fraud.

Some may be doing it themselves. There was a longtime principal in NW who lived in Maryland and yet had his kid in his own DCPS school!

I'm almost certain that this is actually allowed by DCPS. They can enroll their children - it's a fringe benefit.

Not true at all. If staff live in Washington, there may be some flexibility but not for non-residents. It might have been an unofficial fringe benefit in the Barry era.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. It is frustrating that you are so narrow minded and obsessed with the thought that someone is cheating you out of some thing that you already hhave. You make up boogeyman to scare you in the dark: the numbers posted for fraud investigation did NOT actually point to a ton of fraud. Quite the opposite. Families are also, as many have indicated here, sometimes fluid things. A child might be perfectly obligated to go to a dc school, and still have someone with "out of state" plates driving them thete. Either you are the kind of person who gets their jollies off of having four year olds investigated for possible residence fraud--or you are not. Which one are you?

PP, personally I think you're an idiot and a DCPS troll (which may be redundant). There is a lot of blatant residency fraud, and the principals need to be out there taking note when an out-of-state car pulls up with a kid to drop off. It's not conclusive evidence of fraud, but it sure needs a second look. Just saying that I got 2 pieces of paper from the family substantiating residence isn't enough when there's a red flag out there, i.e. a car with Md. tags dropping off a student. As previously posted, there aren't out-of-state nannies dropping off kids EoTP - over here we walk if we actually live here.

Fraud in DCPS affects all DC residents, because WE PAY FOR IT. But you probably live in Md. anyhow and wouldn't dare send your kids to the very same schools you work for. Be a public servant, get off you azz, and make sure the law is followed. Thank you.

Our EOTP nanny lives in Maryland. I look forward to all of you reporting us for residency fraud if she picks our daughter up after school in her car on cold, rainy days this winter.

Then the school should be able to dispose of any question very quickly, no?

I think anyone seeing kids alight from MD vehicles has a pretty gut impression of whether it is parents vs. grandparents or a caregiver dropping off/picking up, particularly when it happens regularly.

I'm frankly surprised at a lot of the laissez faire attitude about fraud and cheating on this board. Either certain posters are trying for themselves or someone they know and therefore want to trivialize or explain away the issue, or maybe it's just an "old DC" cultural attitude -- that folks do what they need to do and that cheating, working inside angles and taking unfair advantage are to be expected in connection with any post, service or benefit provided by the DC government.

My family isn't cheating (we got into our #2 choice in last year's lottery, but nowhere else, and not until school had already started, and this year, we only got into our #12 choice, and we stayed where we were), nor do I know anyone who I'm aware is cheating. I don't think it's "expected" that anyone's working any angles. I just don't think that a) the people observing kids being dropped off in cars with out-of-state tags actually have any idea whether that indicates that there's cheating going on or b) that if there IS some cheating, it's really that much of a problem that it's worth the level of outrage that it seems to gin up here. People who have absolutely no idea who's dropping these kids off or what the residency situation the families involved have documented to their schools is are accusing principals of not doing their jobs because they're not running license plates down. Really?

Is my kid theoretically being harmed by the fact that some kid from Maryland is in a D.C. school? I guess, theoretically. So what? There are other spots to be had. And there are other problems to worry about, especially for those of us who don't work in the DCPS or PCSB offices that are actually responsible for tracking this stuff down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. It is frustrating that you are so narrow minded and obsessed with the thought that someone is cheating you out of some thing that you already hhave. You make up boogeyman to scare you in the dark: the numbers posted for fraud investigation did NOT actually point to a ton of fraud. Quite the opposite. Families are also, as many have indicated here, sometimes fluid things. A child might be perfectly obligated to go to a dc school, and still have someone with "out of state" plates driving them thete. Either you are the kind of person who gets their jollies off of having four year olds investigated for possible residence fraud--or you are not. Which one are you?

PP, personally I think you're an idiot and a DCPS troll (which may be redundant). There is a lot of blatant residency fraud, and the principals need to be out there taking note when an out-of-state car pulls up with a kid to drop off. It's not conclusive evidence of fraud, but it sure needs a second look. Just saying that I got 2 pieces of paper from the family substantiating residence isn't enough when there's a red flag out there, i.e. a car with Md. tags dropping off a student. As previously posted, there aren't out-of-state nannies dropping off kids EoTP - over here we walk if we actually live here.

Fraud in DCPS affects all DC residents, because WE PAY FOR IT. But you probably live in Md. anyhow and wouldn't dare send your kids to the very same schools you work for. Be a public servant, get off you azz, and make sure the law is followed. Thank you.

Our EOTP nanny lives in Maryland. I look forward to all of you reporting us for residency fraud if she picks our daughter up after school in her car on cold, rainy days this winter.

Then the school should be able to dispose of any question very quickly, no?

I think anyone seeing kids alight from MD vehicles has a pretty gut impression of whether it is parents vs. grandparents or a caregiver dropping off/picking up, particularly when it happens regularly.

I'm frankly surprised at a lot of the laissez faire attitude about fraud and cheating on this board. Either certain posters are trying for themselves or someone they know and therefore want to trivialize or explain away the issue, or maybe it's just an "old DC" cultural attitude -- that folks do what they need to do and that cheating, working inside angles and taking unfair advantage are to be expected in connection with any post, service or benefit provided by the DC government.

My family isn't cheating (we got into our #2 choice in last year's lottery, but nowhere else, and not until school had already started, and this year, we only got into our #12 choice, and we stayed where we were), nor do I know anyone who I'm aware is cheating. I don't think it's "expected" that anyone's working any angles. I just don't think that a) the people observing kids being dropped off in cars with out-of-state tags actually have any idea whether that indicates that there's cheating going on or b) that if there IS some cheating, it's really that much of a problem that it's worth the level of outrage that it seems to gin up here. People who have absolutely no idea who's dropping these kids off or what the residency situation the families involved have documented to their schools is are accusing principals of not doing their jobs because they're not running license plates down. Really?

Is my kid theoretically being harmed by the fact that some kid from Maryland is in a D.C. school? I guess, theoretically. So what? There are other spots to be had. And there are other problems to worry about, especially for those of us who don't work in the DCPS or PCSB offices that are actually responsible for tracking this stuff down.

You are an ignorant troll. Mom is dropping her kids off, and mom and the kids principally live in Md. Yes, the principals have a duty to ensure that everything is operating correctly and according to law in their schools. Otherwise, that's like saying a surgeon isn't responsible for botching your operation when a resident doctor leaves sponges in your body. Be responsible.

[Anonymous]

You are an ignorant troll. Mom is dropping her kids off, and mom and the kids principally live in Md. Yes, the principals have a duty to ensure that everything is operating correctly and according to law in their schools. Otherwise, that's like saying a surgeon isn't responsible for botching your operation when a resident doctor leaves sponges in your body. Be responsible.

NP. First time I've felt the need to use one of these