Cop Suspended After Video Emerges Of Brutal Arrests At Teen Pool Party (In McKinney Texas)

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't this guy get suspended then he resigned. Obviously he did something wrong.

Not necessarily

Necessarily.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/collin-county/2015/06/09/mckinney-officer-resigns-from-the-force/28760035/

"The actions of Eric Casebolt are indefensible," police Chief Greg Conley told reporters at a news conference late Tuesday afternoon, saying the officer was "out of control during the incident."

Administrative leave is not the same thing as being suspended.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Police respond to reports of a fight, trespassing and vandalism and when they get there try to get things under control the teens start mouthing off. He goes to arrest one and suddenly other quickly approach, He doesn't know their intentions or if they have weapons. He pulls a gun out to defend himself and possibly scare them away.
Meanwhile the one he was trying to arrest is still mouthing off and not cooperating.................

The organizer of the pool party didnt have permission from the pool to have the party, more kids showed up than expected.
There is a lot more to this story than the brief video.

Mom of a black daughter here, My kid will be taught to respect others including the Police. So many kids now have no respect for anyone else.

MOST of us teach our kids to respect the police. But teens are immature, egotistical creatures who will not always do what you taught them. I have raised 4 of them, I know. They WILL get around their friends and say and do things contrary to what you have taught. They WILL make mistakes. This girl was obeying the police officer - she was leaving. She made a smart comment - teens do that. He jacked her up.

One thing that people are glossing over is that you all want teens to be "respectful" to someone who was not respectful to them. Sure, she should have just left, but the officer was yelling and cursing at them. So she is being castigated for being disrespectful when he was disrespectful first. Respect goes both ways.

Great point, it's basically teaching your child to accept abuse and may create an environment of where people believe they have to accept mistreatment by law enforcement. I've had a cop disrespect me, I asked for his badge number and he let me go but I still made a complaint. But I recognize that law enforcement have guns and since some of them are hotheads it may be best to bite ones tongue when dealing with them.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't this guy get suspended then he resigned. Obviously he did something wrong.

Not necessarily

Necessarily.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/collin-county/2015/06/09/mckinney-officer-resigns-from-the-force/28760035/

"The actions of Eric Casebolt are indefensible," police Chief Greg Conley told reporters at a news conference late Tuesday afternoon, saying the officer was "out of control during the incident."

Administrative leave is not the same thing as being suspended.

Actually, I believe it is. More importantly, the officer clearly did something wrong and what he did was "indefensible" (despite the efforts of some posters here to defend them).

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't this guy get suspended then he resigned. Obviously he did something wrong.

Not necessarily

Necessarily.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/collin-county/2015/06/09/mckinney-officer-resigns-from-the-force/28760035/

"The actions of Eric Casebolt are indefensible," police Chief Greg Conley told reporters at a news conference late Tuesday afternoon, saying the officer was "out of control during the incident."

Administrative leave is not the same thing as being suspended.

Actually, I believe it is. More importantly, the officer clearly did something wrong and what he did was "indefensible" (despite the efforts of some posters here to defend them).

Your bias may be blinding you, Jeff.

Few if any posters here defended the suspended officer's overreaction. What many posters here (myself included) were trying to say is that 1) the overreaction had more to do with the teenager's individual behavior than with some general racism, and that 2) as a general rule, the best way to avoid police overreactions is to not act as a smart ass (and, not jump over fences and be part of a group trespassing property).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't this guy get suspended then he resigned. Obviously he did something wrong.

Not necessarily

Necessarily.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/collin-county/2015/06/09/mckinney-officer-resigns-from-the-force/28760035/

"The actions of Eric Casebolt are indefensible," police Chief Greg Conley told reporters at a news conference late Tuesday afternoon, saying the officer was "out of control during the incident."

Administrative leave is not the same thing as being suspended.

Actually, I believe it is. More importantly, the officer clearly did something wrong and what he did was "indefensible" (despite the efforts of some posters here to defend them).

Your bias may be blinding you, Jeff.

Few if any posters here defended the suspended officer's overreaction. What many posters here (myself included) were trying to say is that 1) the overreaction had more to do with the teenager's individual behavior than with some general racism, and that 2) as a general rule, the best way to avoid police overreactions is to not act as a smart ass (and, not jump over fences and be part of a group trespassing property).

+1

Jeff is well known for arguing on an emotional rather than factual level around here

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/10/us/police-officer-in-mckinney-tex-resigns-over-incident-caught-on-video.html?referrer=&_r=0
His own police chief called the cops actions out of control and indefensible. But keep trying to justify his actions if it helps you reinforce your biases.

Keep swallowing all the propaganda crap the media doles out without getting all the facts, and seeing the whole picture-that should reinforce your biases.

Agreed. There is tremendous public pressure to vilify all officers these days. I can't wait to sit back and watch what happens as a result.

Hopefully what happens is that BAD cops are rooted out and fired.

My bet is the crime rate will go up in McKinely.

Well, Baltimore. Or NYC. Or Ferguson. Or . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Langley Swim and Tennis community pool. I asked my daughter again, what exactly was said to her. She said "Becky" said to her "Larla, I'm not sure you should come to my party on Wednesday because I wouldn't want happened in Texas to happen to my party. My daughter says "What happened in Texas?" Friend says "You haven't seen the video on the news, it all over the internet?" My daughter then has to remind Becky that she doesn't get to watch TV during the week and has limited access to internet. Becky says " Some Black kids went to a swim party at a community pool and someone called the police because they weren't supposed to be there. I've never seen any other black kids at our community pool, so I'm unsure if you should come. I"ll ask my mom and call you tonight." My daughter then says "OOOKAYYYY, uh maybe I shouldn't come, I'll have to ask my mom too."

I think my daughter left out some things from the conversation but she was still seriously concerned that she shouldn't go to the party. I then showed her the video of what happened. And Becky has not called as of yet to say whether or not she still is invited. If Becky has not called by 7pm, I am calling Becky's mom for clarification.

On behalf of the white people, please apologize to your daughter for being treated so disrespectfully. If I found out my "Becky" behaved so atrociously, I'd sure punish her by canceling her party in it's entirety.

Okay, now I don't know what to do. I work really hard at not being characterized as an "Angry Black Woman", so I really had to hold my tongue.

I called Becky's mom. Said our usual pleasantries, discussed summer plans and all that. I then say "Susie, Larla was talking to Becky about the swim party on Wednesday and she seems to have some concerns." Before I could any further, Susie says "Yeah, I know. Becky doesn't want folks at the pool to be concerned about Larla being there. You know with all this stuff going on in the media, I too am concerned. So I don't know." I was speechless and really didn't know what to say for a moment. I was really trying to measure my response. I say "Susie, I really don't know what to say, is Larla invited or not? Honestly its' not a big deal you know, because we have a pool. Larla and Becky have been good friends for a couple of years and I would hate for this to come between them or us. Larla was really surprised that Becky didn't know if she could come to the party because she is black. Do you think members of your club would cause problems for my daughter? She says flatly "I don't know". I say "Are there any other black members?" She says "I'm sure there are, but we haven't seen any at the pool since I've been a member." I then say "Susie, I appreciate the invite, but Larla won't be coming. You all have a great summer and I hope Becky has a nice party. Thanks." I hung up.

I told my little Larla she would not be going to the party, she was disappointed. I told her she could have a few friends over to our private home pool over the weekend if she wanted. She then asks if she should/could invite Becky? I say I don't know, I'll have to ask DH. My DD likes Becky, I like her too. But I don't if I can allow this friendship to continue because it appears that neither Susie or Becky would stand up for my DD if in their presence some racist $hit went down.

I'm just speechless. These are the really difficult conversations we have to have.

I'm sorry this is happening to your family. I assume your daughter is Becky's only black friend.
Do they go to private school? I have a friend who removed her son from private school because she kept encountering these types of situations.

At some point you have to realize that not everybody wants to fight for your cause. Some people are eager to engage and stand up for the right thing; some are not. I seriously doubt that Becky or her mom harbor any resentment towards you or your family. They just don't want trouble. I get where they're coming from. Most of us just want to live in peace, so we avoid potential trouble. The way things have been playing out, I don't blame them. I agree it's completely unfair, but hey, this is what racial relations have come to in our country. I guess it's a new normal.

So if your child had a friend who was a minority, you would not invite that child to a party because there is "potential" trouble inviting that kid to a private pool? See...here is the issue. I do not see what trouble could arise other than some busybody making a comment. Which, if this is my child's friend, I will stand up and respond to. I do not care what color they are. What kind of example are you setting for your child? Keep quiet if one of your friends is treated unjustly? You may be able to live in peace, but your child is the one who is going to have to face her friend everyday in school. And these are just children! No way I would put my own child or her friend through that. Belonging to "the club" is just not that important to me (and I DO belong to a private pool that, thankfully, has a number of AA families).

Would you send you white child to an all black pool if the mom expressed concern that kids/parents might treat her differently? Would you expect the mom to stand up for your white child?

Huh? Let's not add and twist facts to make a point. I was arguing from the perspective of the White mom hosting the party? I guess what I am saying that as the hosting parent... even if I had that concern, it would not stop me from inviting the child if she were my child's friend. And I, as the host, would be prepared to handle any issues that arose. MY invited guest is MY invited guest and I would make that clear in the unlikely event that something happened. But I would NOT disinvite the child because of the threat of "potential" trouble when there is nothing to indicate that anything will happen at the pool. To answer your question, I would not send my daughter to a party where the host (of ANY color) said what this mom said. And if she was invited, I would absolutely expect the host to stand up for my child. Here, the mother is implying she will not do it, which is why I supported the PP's decision to keep her daughter home.

I think that the host's daughter did not pull this out of her rear end. This concern was planted in her by her mother. The girl raised it to PP's daughter but this whole thing is coming from the host mother. No doubt in my mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't this guy get suspended then he resigned. Obviously he did something wrong.

Not necessarily

Necessarily.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/collin-county/2015/06/09/mckinney-officer-resigns-from-the-force/28760035/

"The actions of Eric Casebolt are indefensible," police Chief Greg Conley told reporters at a news conference late Tuesday afternoon, saying the officer was "out of control during the incident."

Administrative leave is not the same thing as being suspended.

Actually, I believe it is. More importantly, the officer clearly did something wrong and what he did was "indefensible" (despite the efforts of some posters here to defend them).

Your bias may be blinding you, Jeff.

Few if any posters here defended the suspended officer's overreaction. What many posters here (myself included) were trying to say is that 1) the overreaction had more to do with the teenager's individual behavior than with some general racism, and that 2) as a general rule, the best way to avoid police overreactions is to not act as a smart ass (and, not jump over fences and be part of a group trespassing property).

NP - is there any evidence that the girl he tackled was trespassing? Or that she had jumped over a fence?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't this guy get suspended then he resigned. Obviously he did something wrong.

Not necessarily

Necessarily.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/collin-county/2015/06/09/mckinney-officer-resigns-from-the-force/28760035/

"The actions of Eric Casebolt are indefensible," police Chief Greg Conley told reporters at a news conference late Tuesday afternoon, saying the officer was "out of control during the incident."

Administrative leave is not the same thing as being suspended.

Actually, I believe it is. More importantly, the officer clearly did something wrong and what he did was "indefensible" (despite the efforts of some posters here to defend them).

Your bias may be blinding you, Jeff.

Few if any posters here defended the suspended officer's overreaction. What many posters here (myself included) were trying to say is that 1) the overreaction had more to do with the teenager's individual behavior than with some general racism, and that 2) as a general rule, the best way to avoid police overreactions is to not act as a smart ass (and, not jump over fences and be part of a group trespassing property).

My bias must be blinding me because I don't see that I have referenced anything that you are discussing. You seem to be engaging in an entirely different conversation. I purposely quoted the text to which I was responding. Those quotes say such things as "he did something wrong", "Not necessarily", and "Administrative leave is not the same thing as being suspended".

One poster clearly is suggesting that the officer may "not necessarily" have done something wrong. That seems like a defense of the officer's overreaction to me. I have discussed the cause of that overreaction at all. Nor have I discussed how to avoid such overreactions.

I am baffled what "bias" has to do with my points that the officer did something wrong -- something I supported with a quote from the chief of police -- and my contention that "suspension" is the same as "administrative leave". If you are disputing that other posters -- beyond the one I quoted -- are defending the police officer's actions, I'll have to go back through the thread to provide examples. But, the examples are there including posts saying that at least the officer didn't use a taser and so on

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't this guy get suspended then he resigned. Obviously he did something wrong.

Not necessarily

Necessarily.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/collin-county/2015/06/09/mckinney-officer-resigns-from-the-force/28760035/

"The actions of Eric Casebolt are indefensible," police Chief Greg Conley told reporters at a news conference late Tuesday afternoon, saying the officer was "out of control during the incident."

Administrative leave is not the same thing as being suspended.

Actually, I believe it is. More importantly, the officer clearly did something wrong and what he did was "indefensible" (despite the efforts of some posters here to defend them).

Your bias may be blinding you, Jeff.

Few if any posters here defended the suspended officer's overreaction. What many posters here (myself included) were trying to say is that 1) the overreaction had more to do with the teenager's individual behavior than with some general racism, and that 2) as a general rule, the best way to avoid police overreactions is to not act as a smart ass (and, not jump over fences and be part of a group trespassing property).

+1

Jeff is well known for arguing on an emotional rather than factual level around here

What part of my response was "emotional"? The part where I supported my point with a quote from the police chief? I really don't mind having critics, but I wish I had critics that were able to make a modicum of sense in their criticism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't this guy get suspended then he resigned. Obviously he did something wrong.

Not necessarily

Necessarily.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/collin-county/2015/06/09/mckinney-officer-resigns-from-the-force/28760035/

"The actions of Eric Casebolt are indefensible," police Chief Greg Conley told reporters at a news conference late Tuesday afternoon, saying the officer was "out of control during the incident."

Administrative leave is not the same thing as being suspended.

Actually, I believe it is. More importantly, the officer clearly did something wrong and what he did was "indefensible" (despite the efforts of some posters here to defend them).

Your bias may be blinding you, Jeff.

Few if any posters here defended the suspended officer's overreaction. What many posters here (myself included) were trying to say is that 1) the overreaction had more to do with the teenager's individual behavior than with some general racism, and that 2) as a general rule, the best way to avoid police overreactions is to not act as a smart ass (and, not jump over fences and be part of a group trespassing property).

NP - is there any evidence that the girl he tackled was trespassing? Or that she had jumped over a fence?

Nope. But there is quite a lot of evidence that she was part of such a group (that, remember, has created enough chaos to send 12 cops over) and that she acted as a smart ass instead of just leaving the scene as requested.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't this guy get suspended then he resigned. Obviously he did something wrong.

Not necessarily

Necessarily.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/collin-county/2015/06/09/mckinney-officer-resigns-from-the-force/28760035/

"The actions of Eric Casebolt are indefensible," police Chief Greg Conley told reporters at a news conference late Tuesday afternoon, saying the officer was "out of control during the incident."

Administrative leave is not the same thing as being suspended.

Actually, I believe it is. More importantly, the officer clearly did something wrong and what he did was "indefensible" (despite the efforts of some posters here to defend them).

Your bias may be blinding you, Jeff.

Few if any posters here defended the suspended officer's overreaction. What many posters here (myself included) were trying to say is that 1) the overreaction had more to do with the teenager's individual behavior than with some general racism, and that 2) as a general rule, the best way to avoid police overreactions is to not act as a smart ass (and, not jump over fences and be part of a group trespassing property).

NP - is there any evidence that the girl he tackled was trespassing? Or that she had jumped over a fence?

Nope. But there is quite a lot of evidence that she was part of such a group (that, remember, has created enough chaos to send 12 cops over) and that she acted as a smart ass instead of just leaving the scene as requested.

Just to be clear, are you defending the officer's actions? You seem to be providing a justification.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't this guy get suspended then he resigned. Obviously he did something wrong.

Not necessarily

Necessarily.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/collin-county/2015/06/09/mckinney-officer-resigns-from-the-force/28760035/

"The actions of Eric Casebolt are indefensible," police Chief Greg Conley told reporters at a news conference late Tuesday afternoon, saying the officer was "out of control during the incident."

Administrative leave is not the same thing as being suspended.

Actually, I believe it is. More importantly, the officer clearly did something wrong and what he did was "indefensible" (despite the efforts of some posters here to defend them).

Your bias may be blinding you, Jeff.

Few if any posters here defended the suspended officer's overreaction. What many posters here (myself included) were trying to say is that 1) the overreaction had more to do with the teenager's individual behavior than with some general racism, and that 2) as a general rule, the best way to avoid police overreactions is to not act as a smart ass (and, not jump over fences and be part of a group trespassing property).

+1

Jeff is well known for arguing on an emotional rather than factual level around here

What part of my response was "emotional"? The part where I supported my point with a quote from the police chief? I really don't mind having critics, but I wish I had critics that were able to make a modicum of sense in their criticism.

How does the quote from the chief of police support your mention of "the efforts of some posters here to defend" the cop's actions?

Yes, it does help when people make sense

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't this guy get suspended then he resigned. Obviously he did something wrong.

Not necessarily

Necessarily.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/collin-county/2015/06/09/mckinney-officer-resigns-from-the-force/28760035/

"The actions of Eric Casebolt are indefensible," police Chief Greg Conley told reporters at a news conference late Tuesday afternoon, saying the officer was "out of control during the incident."

Administrative leave is not the same thing as being suspended.

Actually, I believe it is. More importantly, the officer clearly did something wrong and what he did was "indefensible" (despite the efforts of some posters here to defend them).

Your bias may be blinding you, Jeff.

Few if any posters here defended the suspended officer's overreaction. What many posters here (myself included) were trying to say is that 1) the overreaction had more to do with the teenager's individual behavior than with some general racism, and that 2) as a general rule, the best way to avoid police overreactions is to not act as a smart ass (and, not jump over fences and be part of a group trespassing property).

NP - is there any evidence that the girl he tackled was trespassing? Or that she had jumped over a fence?

Nope. But there is quite a lot of evidence that she was part of such a group (that, remember, has created enough chaos to send 12 cops over) and that she acted as a smart ass instead of just leaving the scene as requested.

Just to be clear, are you defending the officer's actions? You seem to be providing a justification.

Explain: "make (an idea, situation, or problem) clear to someone by describing it in more detail or revealing relevant facts or ideas."

Justify: "show or prove to be right or reasonable."

Two different words, for two different concepts.

If I say, the Civil War was over slavery...am I defending either slavery or the war?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't this guy get suspended then he resigned. Obviously he did something wrong.

Not necessarily

Necessarily.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/collin-county/2015/06/09/mckinney-officer-resigns-from-the-force/28760035/

"The actions of Eric Casebolt are indefensible," police Chief Greg Conley told reporters at a news conference late Tuesday afternoon, saying the officer was "out of control during the incident."

Administrative leave is not the same thing as being suspended.

Actually, I believe it is. More importantly, the officer clearly did something wrong and what he did was "indefensible" (despite the efforts of some posters here to defend them).

Administrative leave is paid, suspended is not. "Did something wrong" is a wide open space. I went to the store and the clerk gave me the wrong change, she gave me 10 extra cents. I go to a store and every time I go my friend, the clerk give me the wrong change $10, so we can go to get lunch that day together. Both are wrong, one is clearly more wrong.

So what if the officer did something wrong. Everybody does something wrong in their job. What he did is not all that bad actually, it was not illegal, he won't be sued, he would not have been fired. I suspect he will sue the police department for defaming his name and making it impossible to be a cop and he will get paid out.