Why did Kamala lose ?

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harris is fake, and people see through her disingenuousness

Democrat here. This was it for me. She’s not authentic at all, she didn’t stand for anything. Her entire campaign was a script, same answers for everything. And would get super nervous when she got any pushback from an interview. I can’t explain it, but she didn’t feel like a real person or someone I could relate with.

At least I could relate to grandpa Joe and him being a nice decent family man, who’s kids had issues, like your average American family.

Kamala’s entire existence just felt too…phony. It also didn’t help her bragging about aligning with the Cheney’s, of all people. What were they thinking?!

As if Trump is "authentic?" The guy has been a con man and a grifter his whole life.

I wish the post and your response could be pinned.

The problem is actually your response. If someone says they want a better candidate with better policies, your instinct to scream back that the other party (that PP is not a member of) is worse (when PP did not make a Trump-supportive comment).

Do you truly not see the problem with this kind of pattern of deflection? It’s very representative of how we pretend we maintain the big tent as Democratic voters.

You wanting a better candidate with better policies does not justify letting the worse candidate and worse policies win.

Also, it seems you want to reinforce the idea that any criticism that applies to Democrats does not apply to Republicans and they automatically get a pass no matter what.

You’re rephrasing the same non-argument - it will never work. It won’t pull a single vote. It’s a rotten strategy. If I am a lifelong born and raised Democratic voter, which I am, the circus of the GOP is not my concern. It’s not my universe. I’m not giving anyone a “pass” - and the accusation that I am is a lie. It is amazing to me that you cling to this. There’s nothing anyone can say obviously.

Explain to us like we're five how exactly it's a non-argument to say that you let worse candidate from party B win because you didn't find the candidate from party A to be perfect.

This is like the Muslims in Dearborn voting outright for Trump because of Gaza - despite the fact that Trump has said he would give Netanyahu the green light to do whatever he wants. How is that a win for Gaza, or Dearborn Muslims? What exactly did you accomplish? Oh, maybe in 4 years you might have a marginally better candidate (at the cost of more Gazans getting killed) - and that candidate might still lose anyhow? Great job. Brilliant.

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Anonymous wrote:1. inauthentic and disingenuous in every respect
2. suggested price controls as a means to control inflation - to any thinking voter, that is disqualifying
3. she is/was the VP of a President with extremely low approval ratings
4. couldn't identify a single issue she would have handled differently than Biden
5. never articulated an original thought or idea during her entire political career
6. illegal immigration is a major threat the the country, and she is perceived to have encouraged it for political ends
7. her voting record as a senator was extreme left, comparable to Bernie Sanders, and the US is a right of center nation
8. she chose an awful VP, who is hard left, a pathological liar, and bumbling
9. passed on a very good VP option, who would have helped her carry PA, apparently due to anti-semitism
10. she knew about Biden's failing mental ability, but covered it up, and continues to do so today
11. her husband is a low life who had sex with the nanny, and slapped an ex girlfriend
12. she cannot talk intelligently about issues, and ducked questions to the point where it was both comical and infuriating
13. she lied about her past, like working at McDonalds, growing up "middle class," etc., which fed into her inauthenticity problem
14. former staff say that she is a mean, nasty, abusive human being
15. she supported radical causes in 2020, such as defunding the police and posted bail for rioters
16. overplayed the race and gender cards, patronizing and condescending to minorities
17. she became a candidate with no primary process, even after she tanked in the 2019 primaries without winning any votes
18. overplayed the name calling against Trump - racist, rapist, Nazi, etc. she laid it on so thick that nobody listened.
19. the lawfare strategy backfired - it created sympathy for Trump and resentment toward Dems for abusing power
20. she is a lightweight who doesn't work hard and can't/won't educate herself about foreign and domestic policy
20. I could go on, but you get the point

She was the worst Presidential candidate in history. Popular vote of 47% is extremely low in the 50/50 world in which we live, and every one of her voters were either Trump haters, or lifetime knee-jerk democrats. A random unknown person could have been put on the ballot and gotten 47% or more of the popular vote. I don't think that Harris "won" a single vote based on anything she brought to the table.

A list 100 times this long could have been made about Trump, with much much worse things on it. By any objective measure, she was a highly qualified candidate and Trump did a poor job as president. But objective measures are not why you didn't vote for her - you simply didn't want to. You didn't "like" her and therefore used all the reasons you heard on Fox News or Facebook or the rumor mill to justify not voting for her. But ultimately, you just didn't "like" her for your own personal reasons. Maybe you don't like strong women, maybe there is something about her that rubs you the wrong way, maybe you don't like people of color, or Indians, or women who wear sneakers with suits. Whatever it was, it wasn't really about policy.

can you give a couple of objective measures that made her a highly qualified candidate? try to do it without making ad hominem attacks on Trump or talking about race or gender. just say the measures that made Kamala a good candidate.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

Legal immigration pushes come from companies like Google and hurt a lot of US white collar workers, just very few people talk about it because nobody wants to cry for the poor unemployed computer science grad.

And 60+% college grads voted for Harris. Non college grads voted for Trump. So basically Trump got voted president by stupid people.

You probably work at the White House or the DNC. But generally, despising the electorate makes it difficult to win elections. Maybe someone should tell the Democratic establishment.

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Anonymous wrote:She lost through Democratic policies which don't have wide appeal, despite the media suggesting those policies are correct and popular. Economic policies which soak "someone else" through heavy taxation, promotion of irresponsibility (and increased taxes) by forgiving student loans freely taken out by people who are happy to not repay their legitimate debts, placement of unqualified people in government due only to their personal DEI/gender-related characteristics and not their professional competence, soft on crime policies which align with a narrative that criminality is not a matter of personal responsibility but due instead exclusively to external historical and environmental factors, support for "reparations" (more taxes, again) for some long-gone people (but not others who don't share the same racial group) in times of different social and political mores, and a belief that the role of government is to keep expanding, regulating, and limiting private activity so that market forces play a very limited role compared to government planning and government-desired outcomes (socialism/Marxism/communism), passive acceptance of illegal immigration and rewarding it with public benefits and eventual citizenship, promotion of biological males competing in sport as females, etc., etc.

These are not winning policy positions for more than half the electorate, apparently.

These are actually GOP talking points, not the Democratic Party platform. She lost because people don't know the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:The Democrats are out of touch with Americans and their concerns. They’re pandering to the 1% of illegals and trans students and not the majority of Americans

I thought illegal immigrants comprised 10% of the U.S. population.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

Legal immigration pushes come from companies like Google and hurt a lot of US white collar workers, just very few people talk about it because nobody wants to cry for the poor unemployed computer science grad.

And 60+% college grads voted for Harris. Non college grads voted for Trump. So basically Trump got voted president by stupid people.

and this comment is the reason why democrats lost. contempt for the US working class. the stupid people

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

Legal immigration pushes come from companies like Google and hurt a lot of US white collar workers, just very few people talk about it because nobody wants to cry for the poor unemployed computer science grad.

And 60+% college grads voted for Harris. Non college grads voted for Trump. So basically Trump got voted president by stupid people.

You probably work at the White House or the DNC. But generally, despising the electorate makes it difficult to win elections. Maybe someone should tell the Democratic establishment.

Trump literally called half the country enemies. Harris and Biden never called any American their enemies.

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White Rural Rage.

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Nailed it

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Anonymous wrote:Depressed about result but at least this time I'm not surprised, these are some of the issues the independent people I know have said that are pulling them away from Democrats.

-lenient with illegal immigration
-tremendous impopularity of refugee cities whose budgets have been impacted by dealing with flood of migrants
-emphasis on wokeness, trans issues, DEI (all things that I care about but average person does not)
-perception that Trump will bring more blue collar jobs back home
-tremendous impopularity of Biden
-handling of Israel/Gaza war

+1. And Biden calling people “garbage” a week before the election didn’t help either (though I thought her response and distance to his comments was good).

Trump was calling Puerto Ricans garbage a week before the election, called for the suppression of the free press, and for Liz Cheneys execution all in the past week. Not sure why Dems are judged on a double standard. The question isn’t why Kamala lost - it’s why did trump win despite all of his disqualifying factors including counted felonies, staging a coup, being twice impeached for quid pro quo and trying to obstruct democracy, his general vileness and all the other corruption of his first term.

And I honestly have no idea. I am completely puzzled. Trump is a disaster of a candidate. My best guess is that voters just didn’t “like” Kamala for the same reasons they didn’t “like” Hillary- deeply rooted misogyny. The war in Gaza also likely fractured democratic support, not unlike Bernie bros in 2016.

1 million times this. How does an educated person ignored ALL of this and think he will do a "great job" at running our country while he also tanked his businesses 7 times.

She was annihilated in the popular vote. She was. It is the exact opposite of what I personally predicted. HRC -won- the popular vote despite being a target of right-wing media for 25 years before the 2016 election.

There ARE questions and things to learn about WHY KH lost.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

Legal immigration pushes come from companies like Google and hurt a lot of US white collar workers, just very few people talk about it because nobody wants to cry for the poor unemployed computer science grad.

After my time in STEM academia, I'm not convinced these US white collar workers are the top-level talent that Google can afford to hire.
Sorry.

[Anonymous]

I give up. From now on anything that goes wrong in this country is the fault of the people who let Trump win. EVERYTHING.

Scorched earth. You get the blame for everything. Don't even dare try to dodge or deflect or change the subject.

[Anonymous]

Loser immature perpetual adolescent pothead

Thrilled FL didn’t pass the pot ballot measure!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

Legal immigration pushes come from companies like Google and hurt a lot of US white collar workers, just very few people talk about it because nobody wants to cry for the poor unemployed computer science grad.

And 60+% college grads voted for Harris. Non college grads voted for Trump. So basically Trump got voted president by stupid people.

You probably work at the White House or the DNC. But generally, despising the electorate makes it difficult to win elections. Maybe someone should tell the Democratic establishment.

Trump literally called half the country enemies. Harris and Biden never called any American their enemies.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t surprised but give me your best analysis.

only 65% of us workers have college degrees.

the policies pushed by democrats are focused on the 35% and they have contempt for the working class.

1 - overwhelming immigration - legal and illegal -> lowers wages for US workers. good for elites and companies, bad for people
2 - inflation -> it hurt the 65% worse than the 35% who view it as bad but not a big deal.
3 - DEI and Trans -> anyone that has had to interact with DEI nonsense at large corporation knows this is a waste of money and time, do we really want gov paying for sex change operations
4 - H1XXB and OXXPT -> job outsourcing programs that Democrats expanded, really, the same party that claims they help US workers
5 - Harris -> poor candidate, just had nothing to offer.

Legal immigration pushes come from companies like Google and hurt a lot of US white collar workers, just very few people talk about it because nobody wants to cry for the poor unemployed computer science grad.

And 60+% college grads voted for Harris. Non college grads voted for Trump. So basically Trump got voted president by stupid people.

and this comment is the reason why democrats lost. contempt for the US working class. the stupid people

That's definitely not the reason. Democrats actually support policies that benefit the working class, while the GOP does not represent them at all, except through populist rhetoric. So it would be hard to argue they despise the working class, when that is who their policies benefit, while the GOP policies benefit primarily the wealthy.