US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't get how this is going to work.

SO the universities are going to be trusted to remove the race data point---i.e. the "button" from the applications prior to review by the reader(s).

But then once the class is assembled they will have to re-connect race with pool of selected students so they can determine the demographics of their new student body?

I think this is going to get very interesting within one year.

IF they remove the "race" data point box prior to review
but then "guesstimate" race based on essays then they could be
estimating a class of say, 50% white, 25% black, 25% Asian

ONLY to end up with a class of
60% white, 35% Asian, 5% black based on people fudging their "racial hardship" essays, etc.

They don’t need to guesstimate based on essays, they have already figured out low income, rural and first Gen preferences will increase diversity.

Have personally seen two T30 emails to their communities post decision confirming they will focus on these communities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Private schools can form their membership anyway they want unless their process breaks a law. If a school has athletic teams and they need players, there is nothing illegal about recruiting players. Same with legacy. If a school wants to reward loyalty and patronage, they can. Of course, it’s a different question about whether they should do these things.

Private colleges have to follow federal laws concerning discrimination because of the a int of federal funding they receive. This decision 100 percent applies to them.

Of course it does, but that’s not what the poster said.

[Anonymous]

This will put the oenus on admitting truly underprivileged minorities rather than poseurs who have no idea what it is like to grow up poor and deql with true discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Too many applicants were taking advantage of affirmative action, eg., claiming to be 1/8 Hispanic despite being from a wealthy white family (just bc a great-grandmother came from Spain).

Historically, College Board's National Hispanic Recognition Program required 1/4, or one grandparent, from a list of various countries. As far as I am aware, it still does.

Couldn't an applicant who got the NHRP award include it in the award section of the app? Colleges could ignore it, I suppose, but will they?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Asian-American students in our community have gained admission to elite schools over the years by presenting extracurriculars tied to their Saturday Schools as markers of "cultural authenticity" or ethnic "color." Being bilingual and functioning as leaders in their Chinese-American neighborhood = URM hook status. I kind of wonder if that will be a good strategy now. Maybe the implications of these lawsuits were not fully considered. Possibly this has all backfired.

I dont get what you're saying as it's been harder to be admitted to the elite schools as Asian American. I know kids who purposefully left clubs off their application.

well, I'm not sure. I think for some the key was to embrace that cultural or ethnic identity to the max. Princeton AOs' comments on applications, made public via a lawsuit, showed how closely/almost obsessively they were looking for cultural color from Asian pre-med students. They rejected those who didn't aggressively project Asian identity but accepted those who did, of applicants with same stats. Yes, at least until now, Asian-American students have always been able to shape a platform for themselves as contributors to a diverse campus environment. Even being Southeast Asian vs. East Asian has been somewhat powerful. Asian diaspora is so diverse, some students had advantage that was just erased.

So you are saying that being actually Asian culturally vs assimilating" actually helped? This ruling won't help if that's the case. The diaspora is incredibly diverse so which group was fighting for the ruling the most?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, who cares if you can’t go to Harvard, or Yale or whatever? It’s just another label. Lots of people going to these schools who probably don’t deserve to be there. If you even remotely quality to go to Harvard, I think you’ll be just fine wherever you end up.

Harvard literally admits black folk with SAT scores lower than the typical student at UMBC

Harvard literally admits legacies and athletes with SAT scores lower than the typical student at UMBC

[Anonymous]

Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Private schools can form their membership anyway they want unless their process breaks a law. If a school has athletic teams and they need players, there is nothing illegal about recruiting players. Same with legacy. If a school wants to reward loyalty and patronage, they can. Of course, it’s a different question about whether they should do these things.

Private colleges have to follow federal laws concerning discrimination because of the a int of federal funding they receive. This decision 100 percent applies to them.

Local and federal governtments can also cut any type of aid and support, and even start taxing.

[Anonymous]

Will White UMC families move to Anacostia to take advantage of the zip code? Or, possibly just buy a property there to include it in their kids’ applications?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, who cares if you can’t go to Harvard, or Yale or whatever? It’s just another label. Lots of people going to these schools who probably don’t deserve to be there. If you even remotely quality to go to Harvard, I think you’ll be just fine wherever you end up.

Harvard literally admits black folk with SAT scores lower than the typical student at UMBC

In the end, the bigger picture, you will thrive wherever you go. I just don’t understand the obsession with labels. If you are brilliant you are brilliant even at a county college, gasp, or a state school. Just go with the flow.

Yes a brilliant person will be brilliant no matter where they go. Will they have the same opportunities though? How many cc grads are in the Supreme Court?

It depends on your field obviously. Most people don’t aspire to become SC justices. The average person can go anywhere and the end result will be the same.

OK, how many appellate court judges are there with cc degrees? Fortune 500 CEOs?

[Anonymous]

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Too many applicants were taking advantage of affirmative action, eg., claiming to be 1/8 Hispanic despite being from a wealthy white family (just bc a great-grandmother came from Spain).

Historically, College Board's National Hispanic Recognition Program required 1/4, or one grandparent, from a list of various countries. As far as I am aware, it still does.

Couldn't an applicant who got the NHRP award include it in the award section of the app? Colleges could ignore it, I suppose, but will they?

Not true. 1/8 was accepted

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, who cares if you can’t go to Harvard, or Yale or whatever? It’s just another label. Lots of people going to these schools who probably don’t deserve to be there. If you even remotely quality to go to Harvard, I think you’ll be just fine wherever you end up.

Harvard literally admits black folk with SAT scores lower than the typical student at UMBC

Harvard literally admits legacies and athletes with SAT scores lower than the typical student at UMBC

You wish they did/do!

You have no idea what you are talking about. Be careful what you ask for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, who cares if you can’t go to Harvard, or Yale or whatever? It’s just another label. Lots of people going to these schools who probably don’t deserve to be there. If you even remotely quality to go to Harvard, I think you’ll be just fine wherever you end up.

Harvard literally admits black folk with SAT scores lower than the typical student at UMBC

Harvard literally admits legacies and athletes with SAT scores lower than the typical student at UMBC

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Private schools can form their membership anyway they want unless their process breaks a law. If a school has athletic teams and they need players, there is nothing illegal about recruiting players. Same with legacy. If a school wants to reward loyalty and patronage, they can. Of course, it’s a different question about whether they should do these things.

Private colleges have to follow federal laws concerning discrimination because of the a int of federal funding they receive. This decision 100 percent applies to them.

Local and federal governtments can also cut any type of aid and support, and even start taxing.

That assumes Congress is capable of passing legislation to reform anything

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Be careful. There will still be Asians who don’t get in regardless of their high (test prepped) scores. Then they will go after the legacies and it will no longer be just an Asian vs. URM fight. This will be interesting since whites aren’t currently being substantially impacted by the case. Right now it’s basically swapping more Asians for less URMs. Let’s see what happens when Asians start to displace wealthy white applicants.

There are also plenty of Asians who are relatively weaker on tests, but great on other factors.

Look Berkeley which is race blind and test blind.
around 50% Asians?